George W Bush's ethics lawyer calls for Donald Trump's impeachment
Source: Independent
White House refuses to hand over documents relating to former National Security Advisor's foreign payments
Samuel Osborne Thursday 27 April 2017 12:22
George W Bush's chief ethics lawyer has called for Donald Trump to be impeached if he doesn't comply with Congress's demand to release documents relating to Michael Flynn.
"US House must subpoena the docs," Richard W Painter wrote on Twitter. "If no compliance, impeach."
"Zero tolerance for WH covering up foreign payoffs."
Mr Painter was commenting on the news Mr Trump's former National Security Advisor had likely broken the law by not disclosing payments from Russia and Turkey, according to the chairman of the House Oversight Committee.
As a former military officer, you simply cannot take money from Russia, Turkey or anybody else. And it appears as if he did take that money. It was inappropriate. And there are repercussions for the violation of law, Republican representative Jason Chaffetz told reporters after a classified meeting with the committee.
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Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-w-bush-ethics-lawyer-donald-trump-impeachment-president-white-house-michael-flynn-documents-a7705331.html
'US House must subpoena the docs,' Richard P Painter says, adding: 'If no compliance, impeach'
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Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)FF45 will not be impeached until the majority of the GOP caucus is in danger of losing their seats.
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)when they order him to sign it they wont impeach him for anything.
BumRushDaShow
(129,143 posts)Win win for him!
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)My money is still largely on varies Congressional Repugnants as being the most likely ones that colluded with Russia especially since they continue to quash any independent investigation over what Russia was doing and with whom.
rock
(13,218 posts)To impeach Pence if he does. We're really going to have to be prepared to impeach a lot of repubs to clean out the swamp, and a SCOTUS or two.
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)judges.
rock
(13,218 posts)In fact Mitch McConnell should be impeached too (for being part of the illegitimacy). The swamp needs a lot of cleaning!
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)justice the 60 votes was only something that both parties had agreed to but which the Repugnants decided to jettison when they saw that they could use it to keep majority control over the court.
They however forgot the danger in this because if no other justice steps down in the next 4 years and if the Dems regain the Senate and the Whitehouse the Dems will feel justified in packing the court with liberal justices now and I wont blame them a bit because the Repugnants brought this on themselves.
rock
(13,218 posts)Because the Congress would not hear Obama's appointee; this is not what the Constitution calls for!
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)mean Gorsuch can be removed for it.
I wish it did but the fact is there are only a few ways to get him out of office and he either has to die, step down and resign or be impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate in a trial and thats not likely to happen as you need 2/3 of the Senate to vote for impeachment.
As for the first two options I dont see either of those as likely as happening any time within the next 15+ years.
rock
(13,218 posts)As the test for impeachment is a "call" (opinion) by the house. If they think that high crimes have been committed then so it is. There is no objective test.
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)because I am honestly not aware of any such law on the books that invalidates his appointment because the Repugnants refused to give Obamas nomination a hearing.
rock
(13,218 posts)You're welcome.
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)that does what you are claiming it does or atleast if I am reading correctly you are claiming Gorsuch isnt actually a member of SCOTUS because the Repugnants behaved like utter hypocritical assholes and would not even give Merrick a hearing.
rock
(13,218 posts)Let me try as simply as possible to state my point. For what reason or reasons can Congress impeach? The house can impeach (indict) for "high crimes and misdemeanors". That phrase is not otherwise defined. So all the House has to do is say that some act that the individual has done meets that criterion. Who validates that judgement? No one. Got it?
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)the Senate let alone the House to agree to impeach even if in the unlikely event the Democrats would win enough seats to have the numbers to tell the Repugnants to fuck off when it comes to impeachment.
Trump is a different story but the problem with impeaching him is that we get Pence and the list after Pence is pretty much filled with even worse people considering its largely either elected Repugnants and or Trump cabinet appointees who are repugnantly Repugnants.
rock
(13,218 posts)But the House and Senate are a little more entitled to theirs. I for one, think that Gorsuch overstepped the bounds when he aided Mitch in his illicit activities. This particularly stresses my point: impeachment is an opinion of the House and Senate.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)god forbid... el presidentissimo...
Isn't that just about as bad??
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)To warn them of Flynn's known alliances with foreign governments.
Pence was THERE. He was the head of the transition team. The responsibility to vet Flynn was his.
He lied about it to the press. Pence is in this up to his eyeballs.
Rachel covered this last night. There is absolutely no way that Pence will skate.
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)(unlikely as long as the Repugnants have any power to block it) he could not simply issue a Presidential pardon for Pence before hand to protect him and in return Pence issues Trump one as well once he is sworn in as President?
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)I shudder to think what a USA led by a pardoned felon would look like.
Then again, if taken to its extremes, and dozens of Republicans were indicted and found guilty of collusion with Mother Russia, the President could pardon each one of them and the American people would realize just how damned corrupt their leaders are.
And would vote for them in the next election cycle.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)2. House Speaker Paul Ryan
3. President pro tempore of the Senate Orrin Hatch
4. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson
5. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin
6. Defense Secretary James Mattis
7. Attorney General Jeff Sessions
8. Acting Secretary of the Interior Kevin Haugrud (nominee Ryan Zinke has not been confirmed by the Senate)
9. Acting Agriculture Secretary Michael Scuse (nominee Sonny Perdue has not been confirmed)
10. Commerce Secretary (vacant seat; nominee Wilbur Ross has not been confirmed)
11. Acting Labor Secretary Ed Hugler (nominee Andy Puzder dropped out before confirmation)
12. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price
13. Acting Housing and Urban Development Secretary Craig Clemmensen (nominee Ben Carson has not been confirmed)
14. Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao
15. Acting Energy Secretary Grace Bochenek (nominee Rick Perry has not been confirmed)
16. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos
17. Veteran Affairs Secretary David Shulkin
18. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly
Just think, Betsy DeVos could actually be president...Jeeze, we're totally fucked....
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)JudyM
(29,251 posts)Certainly sounds like he's assuming the fact of foreign payoffs.
It's encouraging that some rethug pol's have some integrity. Far too rare these days.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)xor
(1,204 posts)Not sure if that's just because of loyalty to the Bush family, or if it's because truly are worried about Trump. They seem sincere after hearing them talk, but you never really know with people.
trusty elf
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truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)It's so sad to hear this coming from lil' boots' people and nobody else.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)were nuisances to be ignored if possible and stomped on if necessary, and of course they also occasionally were put to use as weapons against others. Well, this guy's undoubtedly a real expert on the subject, anyway.
bucolic_frolic
(43,196 posts)McConnell has established a way around most anything
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)as I suspect he might be one of the ones in bed with Russia and it could explain his and other Repugnants stonewalling of any investigation over which they dont have their thumb on in order to quash it.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)treason itself against the United States of America.
Shameful.
Deplorable.
Criminal.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,013 posts)SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)is in on the corruption!
0rganism
(23,958 posts)not only an ethics lawyer, but a "chief ethics lawyer" implying there may have been more than one at a time
color me surprised
JudyM
(29,251 posts)lefthandedskyhook
(964 posts)Yes Painter worked for Shrub. He also claims that Obama raised the level of ethics in Washington by hampering lobbyists. The legal strategy is to use the courts rather than the legislature to take out this defiler of the executive branch (my words). It might just work...
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)Over the fact that W had an ethics lawyer on staff.
Wawannabe
(5,666 posts)I place a call to my Congressman (a Missouri Republican - Billy Long ((PIG)) ) every week.
I found out from MCCaskill's office that impeachment begins in the house only.
I change up the message of impeachment reasons - there are SO FREAKIN MANY! - but, always make them take my zip code and name if they will. Usually just my zip.
I called Senator Blunt's office today and got ahold of a smarmy kid bastard that I had to make remember respect but did end up getting my message across.
I hope you call EVERY Week too! Please, if you don't, WHO WILL????
Fuck Donald Trump...BTW
ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)That recognized there were ethics laws, and had to figure out a way to get around them, to one that just ignores them completely.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)He has committed so many impeachable offenses already. When will it end??? I check the news first thing in the morning to ensure this fuckwit hasn't let loose with a nuke.
Maxheader
(4,373 posts)Hit him with subpoenas for all the offenses the prez is not immune
from. Put the puke behind bars like we should have done with bush.