HHS Secretary On Premium Hikes For The Older: 'Somebody's Going To Pay'
Source: Talking Points Memo
By MATT SHUHAM Published MAY 5, 2017 11:03 AM
The secretary of Health and Human Services dismissed concerns about older, sicker people paying much more for health insurance under Republicans plan on Friday, saying somebodys going to pay for health coverage for the American people, and the question is how do you do that.
In an interview with Fox & Friends, HHS Secretary Tom Price was asked about part of Republicans bill that widens the possible ratio of premium prices between young and old people from 3:1 to 5:1, allowing insurers to charge older people more.
Thats going in the wrong direction, Steve Doocy said.
Well, its pricing for what individuals health status is, and thats important to appreciate, Price said. Somebodys going to pay for health coverage for the American people, and the question is how do you do that. And right now, what were seeing is that the current plan doesnt work, because youve got 20 million individuals out there whove said, Nonsense, Im not even going to participate in this process. Price was referring to individuals who opted not to buy insurance under Obamacare, either paying a fee or claiming a hardship exemption.
Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-price-somebodys-going-to-pay-elderly-ratio
sakabatou
(42,173 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)And his stupid comment about 20 million people not "participating" -- before ObamaCare there were 48 million "not participating".
After ChumpCare 3.0, there will be an additional 24 million "not participating, bringing it back close to pre-ObamaCare figures.
But the RepubliCONs have conned their base. They have no intention of letting the Senate pass it. It is likely to die in reconcilliation.
If it does not die, they truly will "glow in the dark" come election day.
DK504
(3,847 posts)Maybe Ivanka will proffread the new tax breaks for her pals, since she is advising him on all EO's.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Statistics show that older people have more claims. But not ALL older people. Many YOUNG people have more claims than many older people.
So charging people over 60 five times the normal premium is just a penalty for being over 60 and has nothing to do with health status. If it were health status, the premium would be based on "health status."
I think the bill is trying to discourage people over 60 from getting insurance at all, and waiting for Medicare.
I think the higher premiums are age discrimination. It's no different than charging black people more, if statistics show they have more medical conditions or claims that another race. That's against the law, though.
The good part is that states can elect to have a scaled down list of "essential health benefits" that ins cos must sell. If you live in a state with fewer required coverages, then a person can buy a policy for less money, maybe, and not include maternity coverage or mental health coverage.
Marthe48
(17,015 posts)I hate the republican party, all that they do, all the destruction, all of it. They are like a vacuum cleaner, sucking up any profit, any benefit, anything single thing that makes living a little easier for working people. I don't know a single working person who isn't suffering from a bad back, bad knees, stress, exhaustion. It doesn't matter what they do for a living or who they voted for.
They are tired and they are sick. One gal just had another back surgery, another just diagnosed with MS, 2 others just had knee surgery, and both are back to work before they should be. Families with adult children living at home, because they can't move out. Two families with the kids' fiancees living in with them, because once again, no one can afford to live on their own. You want to talk about stress? Grandparents raising their grand kids, because the parents can't handle their illness and having kids. It just goes on and on.
And the selfish bastards setting policy, who have more of everything they or their offspring can ever use, ever, begrudge paying taxes to make life easier for the people who prop them up and sacrifice their lives making the rich richer.
jalan48
(13,882 posts)Hell of a deal. More champagne please.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)In 2018. Actually a lot of them will pay. They won't be smirking smugly then. Get your resumes ready, guys. You'll have to find a job in the real world.
still_one
(92,381 posts)This asshole should have his medical license removed for violating the hippocratic oath. Instead he took the hypocritical oath
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Why should we all share these costs?
"We'll never be old, sick and retired!"
LakeArenal
(28,844 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Yes, somebody does have to pay, and that somebody is YOU!
Freethinker65
(10,047 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)unless you have been elected to a safe seat in Congress. Well if more of them die before making it to Medicare that will help pay for all those tax cuts for the rich
turbinetree
(24,713 posts)Hey Dooecy why didn't you ask your f***ing minion of piece of s**t Price, why the Congress exempted themselves from the "bill" and the f***ing pricing of the individual status of a "HUMAN BEING, like we are some expendable object, were not were HUMAN BEINGS, that think, speak and have feelings when were are dying from pre-existing diseases-----------------ass****. This isn't some f***ing game like these ass**** were playing in the Rose Garden-------------------------
After all guess who cast the deciding vote to f*** everyone--------------any guesses, well he's from Utah and he had his f***ing foot operated on, the same "ass****" yes he is f**** ass****, who came rolling in on a handicap cart to cast the vote to f**** over 52 million human beings, making over $223,000.00 a year ( right now) and he going to take another vacation (10 day recess) to say hi to his mommy, with that goofy smile.
Just for his giggles he going after the former presidents pension, oh yes he his, and question, why a former president (Obama) should get a pension and also donate's proceeds from speaking fees, but don't worry Doocey, we have the Utah hypocrite that just got his taxpayer paid foot operated on, and he is now going to go waste taxpayer dollars to find out the answer, while he just voted (yesterday) to f*** everyone over again and again, just for wanting to have the right to have health care.
The same ass**** that had Benghazi tattooed to his self righteous forehead, and the same right wing fascist f***er that has the IRS planted on his ass, that the taxpayers paid for the last four years to the tune of over 12 million dollars.
But this ass**** instead of doing his job on the Oversight Committee to look at the sexual predators and the f****ing United States former general who from all indications committing treason, this ass**** went after the Jim Henson Muppet's, and then he votes to continue the KY ing f****ng of the American Public, to bend over while he has that goofy f****ing smile.
No, Doocey your a piece a s**t also, and so is that f***ing Price, when he said yes to being on and in a cabinet with a known sexual predator, how's that for pricing for what individuals pay and whats important for status of the pricing-------------ass****, have you ever looked outside the box of BS to see, I don't think so
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Ain't nobody NOT goin to die....EVERYBODY dies...life insurance spreads the inevitability over many people who purchase their product, not just those on the cusp if the grave, cause we ALL KNOW we gonna die....
For some reason we don't expect to get sick before such an event?
Hekate
(90,787 posts)I know they have specifically made sure that they and their immediate families have gold-plated health care coverage. But did they keep coverage for their kids up to age 26?
So here is my 2017 wish for every GOP Senator and Congresscritter: May your nearest and dearest find they are uninsurable. Your young adult kids. Your elderly mom and dad. Your favorite cousins and aunts and uncles. Your infant grandchildren.
I'm looking at you, Lady Congresswoman. Yes, you, the one who bounced out of the pre-vote meeting crowing "We're going to GUT Obamacare!" adding "It's like Braveheart!"
haele
(12,676 posts)They'll be sad, if their parents or kids or grandkids have problems paying for healthcare.
But I know more than a few well-off - not rich, mind you, just comfortably well off lower six-figure income type GOP "Conservitives" who don't lift a finger for their adult kids, grandkids, or parents when something bad happens. They just come up with all sorts of excuses about how it's the other person's fault they got sick, or they lost their job, and they should just work a bit harder - like "they did", and start saving and sacrificing - "like they did", because health care, or clothes, or transportation to work, or paying the rent/mortgage, or healthy food are just frivolous expenditures.
And then they look down on their own relatives for being so immoral to be too poor to pay their own way. While these same a-holes will eagerly and loudly work any sort of scam or underserved discount they can to live in high-end comfort while they misrepresent or cheat vendors and retailers to get money off.
Haele
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)Health insurance wouldn't cost as much for ANYONE if the CEO's didn't get millions and millions and MILLIONS of dollars in annual bonuses.
This healthcare bill just put the nail in my coffin, and if not my own, then many people that I know and love. Aging is not something that anyone can guard against. It is not a sin and it is NOTHING to be ashamed of. If this isn't a form of discrimination, then I do not know what possible could be.
I. Will. Never. Forget.!!!!!
calimary
(81,451 posts)ABOVE ALL:
Do NOT forget to vote in the midterms.
Make sure everyone you know votes.
NO apathetics or over-sleepers or meh-won't-matter-ers or both-parties-the-same-ers.
NONE.
kimbutgar
(21,185 posts)That?
jpak
(41,758 posts)Does he realize that older voters are the most *reliable* voters.
Ossoff
yup
NickB79
(19,258 posts)Not that I expect much from them, but at least now they see the wolf fully out of it's sheepskin.