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Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:15 PM May 2017

LIVE: French election 2017: voters make historic choice between Macron and Le Pen

Source: The Guardian

If turnout projections of around 74% are correct, it would be the lowest in the second round of a French presidential election since 1969.

This is not unexpected in a contest as unique as that between the independent centrist Macron and far-right Le Pen, neither of whom have the formal backing of a mainstream political group, analysts say.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/may/07/french-presidential-election-emmanuel-macron-marine-le-pen

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LIVE: French election 2017: voters make historic choice between Macron and Le Pen (Original Post) Equinox Moon May 2017 OP
I wish the US would get a 74% turnout some day. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #1
Minnesota had 74.2% in 2016 GE. Equinox Moon May 2017 #2
Yeah, I live in MN, and people are pretty engaged here. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #3
Minnesota is (again) the top rated for voter turnout. Equinox Moon May 2017 #4
We have clean elections, too. But the GOP wants to make it harder to vote The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #6
CA (75.3% in November) has tons of polling stations and mail ballots for anyone who requests one. LeftyMom May 2017 #10
Agreed! silverweb May 2017 #11
I also find it helpful for small offices to look for the candidate's social media LeftyMom May 2017 #12
That's a *very* good idea! silverweb May 2017 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author sarcasmo May 2017 #5
Did Minnesota Go for itcfish May 2017 #16
This is a little disturbing.. LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #7
Interesting quote from a French voter in NYT Worktodo May 2017 #8
It's the same Putin playbook - Hillary was synonymous with Wall Street dalton99a May 2017 #9
Macron appears to have it nailed down ... YAY! mr_lebowski May 2017 #14
Thank you, France. The entire planet will benefit from Hortensis May 2017 #15

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
1. I wish the US would get a 74% turnout some day.
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:20 PM
May 2017

What's considered a bad turnout in France would be monumentally huge for us.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
2. Minnesota had 74.2% in 2016 GE.
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:34 PM
May 2017

There are counties in California that were this high as well.

But no, most of the country are too lazy to make the effort.

I think we need a voting campaign that has some tag line about, how easy it is to vote.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
3. Yeah, I live in MN, and people are pretty engaged here.
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:36 PM
May 2017

We almost always have the highest turnout rate in the country. I don't understand why it isn't the same elsewhere.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
4. Minnesota is (again) the top rated for voter turnout.
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:45 PM
May 2017

Minnesota makes it easy to vote. Polling stations abound, mail-in ballots, same-day registration.
The republicans are working hard to change it. Gawd forbid Minnesota is to have a good voter turnout. They have passed a bill to eliminate some polling places is one thing I know of. They want to pass a bill eliminating same-day registration. I swear, repuks are not Americans and they want nothing to do with democracy. I really don't like them.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
6. We have clean elections, too. But the GOP wants to make it harder to vote
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:51 PM
May 2017

on the grounds of "voter fraud," which is nonexistent. What they really want to do is make it harder for minority populations, the poor, and young people to vote because those groups tend not to vote Republican. The former SoS, Kiffmeyer, tried a few years ago to make it harder for Native Americans to vote by attempting to make tribal IDs invalid for voter registration. IIRC, the courts shot that down.

I hate these people.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
10. CA (75.3% in November) has tons of polling stations and mail ballots for anyone who requests one.
Sun May 7, 2017, 01:23 PM
May 2017

We don't have same-day registration but registration is online and easy to do. I've been a poll worker here several times and at peak time when people are leaving work our lines maybe ten minutes long.

I particularly encourage other states to look into making voting by mail easier (ie not needing a reason to vote absentee.) It's cheaper to administer, mail voters have higher turnout, and as a voter it's really nice to be able to sit down with a cup of coffee at your computer and look things up as you go, especially for smaller, more obscure offices and the innumerable initiatives on any CA ballot.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
11. Agreed!
Sun May 7, 2017, 01:54 PM
May 2017

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I've been voting by mail for years now and it's so easy!

I get my ballot well in advance of election day, and love being able to take my time and look up pertinent information as I go. Sites like OnTheIssues, Ballotpedia, VoteSmart, and ProPublica Represent are chock full of solid information on every candidate and issue.



LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
12. I also find it helpful for small offices to look for the candidate's social media
Sun May 7, 2017, 03:16 PM
May 2017

At least to make sure they're not a member of some batshit religious sect and that the women in their family pictures aren't dressed like handmaids.

Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #2)

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
7. This is a little disturbing..
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:54 PM
May 2017
A list of online and mainly left-leaning media organisations and websites say they have not been accredited for the Front National’s election evening event in the Bois de Vincennes on the eastern edge of Paris.

Organisations including BuzzFeed, Politico, Rue89, Mediapart and Les Jours all said they have been refused admittance. The leftwing daily newspaper Libération has said it will boycott the event in solidarity.


I wonder what is going on there? Sounds very familiar.

Worktodo

(288 posts)
8. Interesting quote from a French voter in NYT
Sun May 7, 2017, 01:15 PM
May 2017

Here's the quote:


... a 33-year-old day care worker, in central Paris. She said she planned on abstaining because she did not want to choose between “a racist party and a banker party.”


Ok there is something wrong here. "Racist" is literally a pejorative. "Banker" is an occupation.
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
14. Macron appears to have it nailed down ... YAY!
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:26 PM
May 2017

"Independent centrist Macron has defeated Marine Le Pen by 65.1% to 34.9% according to French state television estimates, as counting continues".

That's what we call a BEAT DOWN. Sweet ...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Thank you, France. The entire planet will benefit from
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:48 PM
May 2017

this emphatic rejection of "the rough beast." And for acting on the warning of what happened in the U.S.

The Second Coming, W.B. Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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