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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri May 26, 2017, 10:17 AM May 2017

Donald Trump Angled for Soviet Posting in 1980s, Says Nobel Prize Winner (Exclusive)

Source: Hollywood Reporter



In 1986, the future president met with one of the few Americans who knew Mikhail Gorbachev, seeking information about the USSR's new leader and revealing plans to ask Ronald Reagan to post him to Moscow.

6:15 AM PDT 5/26/2017 by Scott Feinberg

Donald Trump, in the mid-1980s, aggressively pursued an official government post to the USSR, according to a Nobel Peace Prize winner with whom Trump interacted at the time.

"He already had Russia mania in 1986, 31 years ago," asserts Bernard Lown, a Boston-area cardiologist known for inventing the defibrillator and sharing the 1985 Nobel Peace Prize with a top Soviet physician in recognition of their efforts to promote denuclearization. Lown, now 95 and retired in Newton, Massachusetts, tells The Hollywood Reporter that Trump sought and secured a meeting with him in 1986 to solicit information about Mikhail Gorbachev. (Gorbachev had become the USSR's head of state — and met with Lown — the year before.) During this meeting, Lown says, the fast-rising businessman disclosed that he would be reaching out to then-president Ronald Reagan to try to secure an official post to the USSR in order to negotiate a nuclear disarmament deal on behalf of the United States, a job for which Trump felt he was the only one fit.

"He said to me, 'I hear you met with Gorbachev, and you had a long interview with him, and you're a doctor, so you have a good assessment of who he is,'" Lown recalls. "So I asked, 'Why would you want to know?' And he responded, 'I intend to call my good friend Ronnie,' meaning Reagan, 'to make me a plenipotentiary ambassador for the United States with Gorbachev.' Those are the words he used. And he said he would go to Moscow and he'd sit down with Gorbachev, and then he took his thumb and he hit the desk and he said, 'And within one hour the Cold War would be over!' I sat there dumbfounded. 'Who is this self-inflated individual? Is he sane or what?'"

-snip-

Lithuania-born Lown, who today is professor of cardiology emeritus at the Harvard School of Public Health, had been the subject of considerable media attention shortly before he first heard the name Trump. In October 1985, he and Yevgeny I. Chazov, the personal physician of the Kremlin's senior leadership (including Gorbachev), were chosen to share the Nobel Peace Prize on behalf of International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, a group they co-founded in 1980 that had grown to include more than 150,000 members in 49 countries. And in December 1985, shortly after collecting their Nobel medals in Oslo, Lown joined Chazov for a meeting at the Kremlin with Gorbachev, who unexpectedly had come into power that March, making Lown one of the first Westerners to spend time with him.

Read more: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/donald-trump-angled-soviet-posting-1980s-says-nobel-prize-winner-1006312

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Donald Trump Angled for Soviet Posting in 1980s, Says Nobel Prize Winner (Exclusive) (Original Post) DonViejo May 2017 OP
... to negotiate a nuclear disarmament deal ... a job for which Trump felt he was the only one fit. Jim__ May 2017 #1
Exactly. He's been an ignorant narcissist for at least the past 31 years. Scary isn't it. politicaljunkie41910 May 2017 #16
Consistent with everything we see now bucolic_frolic May 2017 #2
Well that certainly shows how far his mind has gone since. sdfernando May 2017 #3
Yup. That he could know a word like plenipotentiary sticks out like an orange thumb. hedda_foil May 2017 #4
Plenipotentiary NastyRiffraff May 2017 #7
Crazy for yrs. My question is WHY didn't all these people who KNEW he was a nut case scream it from southerncrone May 2017 #5
Plenty of peopl did...but Fox News wasn't listening /nt sdfernando May 2017 #8
Of course Faux wasn't listening, but the others did little, too. southerncrone May 2017 #12
if they did they had to give equal or more coverage to Clinton emails JI7 Jun 2017 #21
Yes the media journalists were strangely silent last year FakeNoose May 2017 #18
Another "Holy Crap" moment PatSeg May 2017 #6
So many holy shit moments we should build shrines over septic tanks... JHB May 2017 #14
Ha, ha, ha PatSeg May 2017 #15
He loves Russian ladies. forgotmylogin May 2017 #9
So, he's been a megalomaniac forever, but now he's a senile megalomaniac. ... Hekate May 2017 #10
When did Trump start borrowing money from the Russians? jmowreader May 2017 #11
The ultimate sleeper, becoming our very President to make the West, Russian. Of course, Germany WinkyDink May 2017 #17
My guess is he began taking Russian money as soon as he pissed through Daddy's money. southerncrone Jun 2017 #19
He may have started taking it as soon as there was Russian money to take jmowreader Jun 2017 #20
by early 90s for sure JI7 Jun 2017 #22
Not only is Trump a mole, but a wart. gordianot May 2017 #13

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
1. ... to negotiate a nuclear disarmament deal ... a job for which Trump felt he was the only one fit.
Fri May 26, 2017, 10:23 AM
May 2017

So Trump's been crazy for a long time.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
2. Consistent with everything we see now
Fri May 26, 2017, 10:27 AM
May 2017

"Only I can fix it."

I think of him as most like Inspector Clouseau.

sdfernando

(4,935 posts)
3. Well that certainly shows how far his mind has gone since.
Fri May 26, 2017, 10:33 AM
May 2017

Cheeto Hombre wouldn't be able to pronounce or define the word "plenipotentiary" today.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
7. Plenipotentiary
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:04 AM
May 2017

ˌplenəpəˈtenSHərē,ˌplenəpəˈtenSHēˌerē/Submit
noun
1.
a person, especially a diplomat, invested with the full power of independent action on behalf of their government, typically in a foreign country.
synonyms: diplomat, dignitary, ambassador, minister, emissary, chargé d'affaires, envoy
"a plenipotentiary in Paris"
adjective
1.
having full power to take independent action.
"he represented the Japanese government in Seoul as minister plenipotentiary"

Ponder that for a moment. "Invested with the full power of independent action" Good thing his "good friend Ronnie" didn't listen to him.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
5. Crazy for yrs. My question is WHY didn't all these people who KNEW he was a nut case scream it from
Fri May 26, 2017, 10:53 AM
May 2017

the roof tops during the CAMPAIGN & save the country from this nightmare?
Were they fearful of the insane bully? Who knows?

I am very angry at anyone who knew about this & did nothing. Especially the MSM, whose JOB is to reveal the TRUE nature of a candidate. ALL of this info about him & his cronies was there BEFORE the election, but they just kept giving him FREE press, instead of exposing his unfitness for the job. This just plays into his meme that the press is not to be trusted.


JI7

(89,252 posts)
21. if they did they had to give equal or more coverage to Clinton emails
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 07:01 AM
Jun 2017

And keep saying how she is deeply flawed.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
18. Yes the media journalists were strangely silent last year
Fri May 26, 2017, 05:52 PM
May 2017

All anybody had to do was turn over a few rocks. The dirt was there, but nobody was looking for it.

The reason is the American news media were told not to look for it. They were told that "Donald Trump is good for business."

It doesn't really matter what the journalists say now, does it? Nobody said/did anything for November 9th.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
6. Another "Holy Crap" moment
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:00 AM
May 2017

It seems to be happening several times a day lately.

Trump has been in the public eye for decades. Why weren't these stories brought up during the campaign? I suppose it is partly because no one really thought he could win, but the media really failed us in 2016. We certainly heard a lot about Hillary's emails though.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
14. So many holy shit moments we should build shrines over septic tanks...
Fri May 26, 2017, 12:45 PM
May 2017

...and choruses of angels can be heard from sewage treatment plants.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
10. So, he's been a megalomaniac forever, but now he's a senile megalomaniac. ...
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:31 AM
May 2017

And it seems his fixation on Russia has been around for -- well, I wonder when that started and why?

Lucky, lucky us.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
11. When did Trump start borrowing money from the Russians?
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:40 AM
May 2017

It is possible...HOW possible, I do not know...that Trump has been in the employ of Russian intelligence since the days of the KGB. We know Trump has a thing for East Bloc women, he hired Polish workers to tear down Bonwit Teller and he has laundered money for the Russians.

We as a people really need to know if our president is a spy and if he is, his entire administration needs to go. There is nothing in the Constitution about unmasking the president,but the Framers probably thought it would never be necessary.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
17. The ultimate sleeper, becoming our very President to make the West, Russian. Of course, Germany
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:24 PM
May 2017

would be then called "evil" and "very bad" (yes, Germany WAS).

Of course, NATO would see its leaders pushed around and the organization threatened with a US pull-out.

Of course, Russia would hack our voting computers.

Of course, policies would be promoted that hurt Americans, destroyed national parks and monuments, degraded our air and water, and so on.

Trump as active Russian agent would bring rationality to his seeming madness.



southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
19. My guess is he began taking Russian money as soon as he pissed through Daddy's money.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 10:43 PM
Jun 2017

Probably for decades.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
20. He may have started taking it as soon as there was Russian money to take
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 05:08 AM
Jun 2017

Even if Trump was in the habit of paying his bills, he'd still have a problem with US banks: liquidity requirements. A bank can only loan you so much money before the FDIC cuts you off. Foreign banks in regulation-free lands don't have that problem.

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