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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:54 PM Jun 2017

Exclusive: Comey will stop short of saying Trump obstructed justice in Flynn probe, source says

Source: ABC News



By JUSTIN FISHEL JONATHAN KARL
Jun 6, 2017, 2:27 PM ET

There will be much in former FBI Director James Comey’s upcoming congressional testimony that will make the White House uncomfortable, but he will stop short of saying the president interfered with the agency's probe into former national security adviser Michael Flynn, a source familiar with Comey's thinking told ABC News.

Although Comey has told associates he will not accuse the President of obstructing justice, he will dispute the president’s contention that Comey told him three times he is not under investigation.

The president allegedly said he hoped Comey would drop the Flynn investigation, a request that concerned Comey enough that he documented the conversation in a memo shortly after speaking with the president. In the memo, according to sources close to Comey who reviewed it, Trump said: "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go," during a February meeting. The request made Comey uncomfortable, but the source tells ABC News that Comey has told associates he will not accuse the President of obstructing justice.

“He is not going to Congress to make accusations about the President’s intent, instead he’s there to share his concerns,” the source said, and tell the committee “what made him uneasy” and why he felt a need to write the memo documenting the conversation. Some legal experts told ABC News that Trump's requests as detailed in the memo, which ABC News has not seen, could meet the legal definition of obstruction.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-comey-stop-short-trump-obstructed-justice-flynn/story?id=47865739

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Exclusive: Comey will stop short of saying Trump obstructed justice in Flynn probe, source says (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2017 OP
So basically Comey will all but accuse him without actually saying the words. PragmaticLiberal Jun 2017 #1
Yep! Works for me too. N/T emulatorloo Jun 2017 #2
NOT....... roomtomove Jun 2017 #18
Agreed. I'm unconvinced this testimony will be earth shattering riderinthestorm Jun 2017 #53
Of course. djg21 Jun 2017 #35
Comey is a damn Republican to the depths of his evil soul. olegramps Jun 2017 #45
Obstruction bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #3
Just the facts, ma'am DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #4
That's just one memo. Comey has several more to discuss. shraby Jun 2017 #5
One can argue that the memos do not amount to obstruction of justice Xipe Totec Jun 2017 #9
Yeah, he declined the "suggestions" and was fired. deurbano Jun 2017 #13
One can argue that pigs fly too. djg21 Jun 2017 #37
Then that begs the question, Xipe Totec Jun 2017 #41
I dont think he could file any charges he could report it but he is still a Republican and cstanleytech Jun 2017 #43
We don't know what he did. djg21 Jun 2017 #50
Why bother then? GitRDun Jun 2017 #6
Did you read the article? leftynyc Jun 2017 #10
Yeah I read the article and I guess I wasn't clear enough on my point. GitRDun Jun 2017 #14
Then you're thoroughly leftynyc Jun 2017 #20
And your thoroughly unable to understand that testimony before Congress has nothing to do GitRDun Jun 2017 #24
I can't believe I have to leftynyc Jun 2017 #26
Lol you are the one who said it was to build a legal case not me. GitRDun Jun 2017 #32
Is it beyond your scope of understanding leftynyc Jun 2017 #34
Is it beyond your scope of understanding GitRDun Jun 2017 #39
So don't watch it. The_jackalope Jun 2017 #44
lol, that's all i said originally n/t GitRDun Jun 2017 #54
He is also going to testify to the special prosecutor. He can defend against Trumps lies to the very bettyellen Jun 2017 #27
I hear you but not watchable in my opinion GitRDun Jun 2017 #31
He has to leave that part to Mueller. PubliusEnigma Jun 2017 #7
Comey better wise up or Trump's surrogates are going to chew him up. Vinnie From Indy Jun 2017 #8
Trump's surrogates aren't going to "chew him up." The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #15
Yip-yip-yip away, you traitorous curs - I mean, have fuckin AT it - eom Leghorn21 Jun 2017 #17
Isn't that for Congress to figure out? SHRED Jun 2017 #11
A witness is not a judge or a jury. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #12
Hey, that's consistent! yallerdawg Jun 2017 #16
Please remember that Comey roomtomove Jun 2017 #19
I wouldn't be surprised if nothing good came of his testimony. SharonClark Jun 2017 #21
It will probably up to Mueller to say, later, if Trump attempted to obstruct justice or not. Kaleva Jun 2017 #22
If he beats around the bush when someone asks if Comey felt pressure, hearings are a waste. Hoyt Jun 2017 #23
He'll let the investigators draw the necessary legal conclusions, elleng Jun 2017 #25
Of course. He's a witness, not a prosecutor. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #28
I see Comey as a rat fink. He will revisit his rat finkedness at the hearing. I am Ninga Jun 2017 #29
Has there been anything reported about whether Sally Yates knew about Comey's deurbano Jun 2017 #30
Glad to see all of the Negative Nellies are out in full force--Must be worried..Very Very Worried.. MedusaX Jun 2017 #33
Yes, you sure won't get a sunburn on this thread! nt The_jackalope Jun 2017 #46
he's there to provide facts, others can connect the dots when engaging in legal analysis nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #36
I have no hope this will change anything. n/t. airplaneman Jun 2017 #38
He must do that... Adrahil Jun 2017 #40
Good point. nt The_jackalope Jun 2017 #47
A large part of the evidence toward obstruction of justice... AntiFascist Jun 2017 #42
Comey has been turned by the Trump team GreydeeThos Jun 2017 #48
Yeah... Maxheader Jun 2017 #49
As a witness, he will say what happened, but not speculate on it's intended effect. Binkie The Clown Jun 2017 #51
Comey is not the judge, jury and executioner. democratisphere Jun 2017 #52

roomtomove

(217 posts)
18. NOT.......
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:21 PM
Jun 2017

Comey, is still a REPUBLICAN, and as such he will act like one and cover his butt as much as possible, and say as little as possible while assuming a posture of truthfulness and integrity.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
53. Agreed. I'm unconvinced this testimony will be earth shattering
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:30 PM
Jun 2017

Comey is a master at threading the needle. I expect obfuscation, "can't answer", and "that's classified " to be applied diligently.

#hopeI'mwrong

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
35. Of course.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:29 PM
Jun 2017

Comey will offer evidence and let the "jury" come to it own conclusions. If the evidence is as overwhelming as it appears to be, the conclusion will be inescapable.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
45. Comey is a damn Republican to the depths of his evil soul.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 05:42 PM
Jun 2017

Anyone who trusts one, even one, of today's Republicans is naive. Forty years of extreme propaganda has so warped their shriveled minds that you can only possibly regard them as the enemy of Truth. One only has to watch a few miserably hours of these jackals to comprehend they are brainwashed zombies. Five minutes of being subjected to Conway's plastered smile is enough to make you vomit. She is the personification of evil. The Republican Party is nothing more than a criminal enterprise as corrupted to the depths as the Nazi Fascists hounds.

bucolic_frolic

(43,190 posts)
3. Obstruction
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:59 PM
Jun 2017

charges, if any, are not made in Congressional testimony.

Former FBI Director and special prosecutor is likely looking into it.

Above all else, Comey should tell the truth as he experienced it, and I'm sure he will.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
9. One can argue that the memos do not amount to obstruction of justice
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:04 PM
Jun 2017

But the memos are corroborating evidence that Comey's firing WAS obstruction of justice.

A point that the media seems to deliberately miss in their discussions.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
37. One can argue that pigs fly too.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:32 PM
Jun 2017

The memos are contemporaneous notes of conversation in which Trump attempted to obstruct justice. In essence, they confirm and bolster what is likely to be Comey's testimony and fall with an exception to the hearsay rule.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
41. Then that begs the question,
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:38 PM
Jun 2017

Why did Comey not file charges?

Why did he not feel there was enough evidence, based only on that conversation, to file obstruction of justice charges?

Do you see why that's not a good avenue of inquiry?

Do you see why that's the avenue of inquiry pursued by the GOP?

cstanleytech

(26,298 posts)
43. I dont think he could file any charges he could report it but he is still a Republican and
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 05:22 PM
Jun 2017

he doesnt want to burn his bridges with any future job offers by doing anything to take down a Republican president especially after the effort he himself went through to help Trump win the election with that hail mary pass with that bogus last minute email stunt he pulled.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
50. We don't know what he did.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:20 PM
Jun 2017

The FBI may have had a pending investigation that was broader in scope than just the alleged obstruction. Or perhaps Comey did make a referral to DOJ. I'll look forward to hearing Comey answer the question on Thursday, and it will be asked.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
6. Why bother then?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:02 PM
Jun 2017

We've already heard Trump say what's described above.

We also know Trump is a liar. Of course Comey never told him he was not under investigation.

So Comey is going to come there to say essentially what we all already know.?

I hope he has more because it's a big waste of time if he has nothing to add other than confirming what we all know...Trump is a serial liar.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
10. Did you read the article?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:07 PM
Jun 2017

Or did you just miss where he's going to dispute that he told degenerate donnie he wasn't under investigation? It isn't up to Comey to say donnie obstructed justice - that's for a prosecutor to decide.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
14. Yeah I read the article and I guess I wasn't clear enough on my point.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:14 PM
Jun 2017

Comey telling us Trump is a liar doesn't add anything.

We don't need Comey to tell us he never said those things to Trump. We already know Trump is a serial liar.

Unless he provides something that adds to an obstruction of justice or Russian meddling case, it will be a big nothing burger in my mind.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. Then you're thoroughly
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:32 PM
Jun 2017

unable to understand what it takes to build a legal case. That's entirely your problem.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
24. And your thoroughly unable to understand that testimony before Congress has nothing to do
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:45 PM
Jun 2017

with building a legal case.

That is done with testimony to special prosecutor.

That is entirely your problem.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. I can't believe I have to
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:51 PM
Jun 2017

explain this to anyone at DU. The congressional investigations are for informational purposes - to make sure the American people see the oversight that congress is tasked with. Not to build a case, not to get Comey to throw anyone under the bus. Why you were expecting that from this is beyond my understanding although I have my suspicions. If you think Comey will be spilling ALL he knows tomorrow, you're dreaming.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
32. Lol you are the one who said it was to build a legal case not me.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:05 PM
Jun 2017

I can't believe I have to explain this to anyone on DU.

I find it hilarious the judgmental nature of your post.

All I said it will be not worth watching if he didn't add anything to the discussion.

Somehow you turn it into I am expecting something...I SAID...based on the article I am expecting NOTHING.

And lmao, enjoy your "suspicions"! Perhaps that's worth another post!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
34. Is it beyond your scope of understanding
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:17 PM
Jun 2017

that these investigations are going on simultaneously? Along with the Schneiderman case? And they're ALL focusing on the same people testifying?

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
39. Is it beyond your scope of understanding
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:37 PM
Jun 2017

that someone can know EVERYTHING you just said and be of the opinion that Comey's testimony, if nothing new is added to the discussion, is not worth watching?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
27. He is also going to testify to the special prosecutor. He can defend against Trumps lies to the very
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:54 PM
Jun 2017

People on that committee who have been pushing those lies. No doubt they will try and parse words making Trumps actions seem legitimate, and Comey will push back about his mounting concerns and his attempts to keep the investigation on track despite Trump.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
31. I hear you but not watchable in my opinion
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:59 PM
Jun 2017

We know Trump is a liar. We know Republicans push those lies. We know Comey will tell us what we already know; he didn't say any of that stuff to Trump.

I am just saying if he doesn't add to what we already know...no need to watch.

The political dance to argue what we already know won't be any fun to me. Other might think it's fun. That's OK.

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
8. Comey better wise up or Trump's surrogates are going to chew him up.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:04 PM
Jun 2017

When you strike at the King, you better get the job done.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
15. Trump's surrogates aren't going to "chew him up."
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:15 PM
Jun 2017

That would require actual teeth. The surrogates are like very yappy but very elderly chihuahuas who lunge at you feebly and try to gum your ankles.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
12. A witness is not a judge or a jury.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jun 2017

A witness is a witness.

What can be derived from the witness's testimony, on the other hand.....

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
16. Hey, that's consistent!
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:19 PM
Jun 2017

He stopped short of saying Hillary was innocent.

Is "consistent" the wrong word?

roomtomove

(217 posts)
19. Please remember that Comey
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:22 PM
Jun 2017

is still a REPUBLICAN, and as such he will act like one and cover his butt as much as possible, and say as little as possible while assuming a posture of truthfulness and integrity.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
23. If he beats around the bush when someone asks if Comey felt pressure, hearings are a waste.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:45 PM
Jun 2017

I think Comey has to say that he felt Trump was suggesting he drop further investigations. Otherwise, Trump will claim -- and his supporters including Congress will agree -- that he was just trying to help Flynn who had made a mistake and been punished enough by being fired.

This whole thing has been like Fitzmas all over. Hope I'm wrong.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
25. He'll let the investigators draw the necessary legal conclusions,
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:49 PM
Jun 2017

he'll testify about the FACTS of which he is aware, imo.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
28. Of course. He's a witness, not a prosecutor.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:54 PM
Jun 2017

In his capacity as FBI director (now former) he was a cop whose job was to investigate possible crimes by collecting facts. Whether those facts are evidence of crimes would be up to a prosecutor, not the investigator.

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
29. I see Comey as a rat fink. He will revisit his rat finkedness at the hearing. I am
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:55 PM
Jun 2017

prepared to be underwhelmed and enormously disappointed Thursday.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
30. Has there been anything reported about whether Sally Yates knew about Comey's
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jun 2017

private dinner meeting with 45? The dinner was on the Jan. 27th and she was fired on the Jan. 30th.

Comey considered it such a red flag that Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch had a very publicly observed and unplanned tarmac encounter that he felt absolutely COMPELLED to give an unprecedented press conference to announce the result of the FBI investigation. And it was very important for the reputation of the FBI that even as he confirmed there was no evidence H. Clinton committed a crime, he simultaneously demonstrated the "integrity" of the investigation by also using that opportunity to smear her character. B. Clinton and Lynch had some shared history, and their meeting was not secret or planned, much different than a FBI chief, who had no personal history with 45, yet was invited to a private dinner with someone whose campaign was under investigation by the FBI... and AGREED to go. AND the guy whose campaign was under investigation actually DID ask the head of the FBI for "loyalty." Why did Comey ever agree to a private dinner? Seems quite the double standard.

I wonder if Comey informed Yates, either before or after the meeting?

Comey was apparently ALONE with 45 again, leading to this:

<<Feb. 14 — Trump and Comey

In an Oval Office meeting, Trump asks Comey to end the investigation of Flynn, according to a memo that Comey wrote. The New York Times reported that Trump told Comey: “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.” Trump added that Flynn had done nothing wrong.

Comey only replied, ‘I agree he is a good guy,” the memo said.>>

And just for the record, what did Comey think made Flynn a "good guy?" (Not much evidence of that.) But again, he let himself be alone with someone who had already previously (and inappropriately) asked for a favor. Comey's such a Boy Scout, except when he's not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/05/23/president-trump-versus-james-comey-a-timeline/?utm_term=.9d99e091f043

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
40. He must do that...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:37 PM
Jun 2017

If he claimed obstruction, his testimony could be claimed to have biased the investigation.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
42. A large part of the evidence toward obstruction of justice...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:40 PM
Jun 2017

has to do with the fact that Comey himself was fired after he made comments that the FBI investigation was ongoing. They should grill Comey on how he feels about being fired and the timing.

GreydeeThos

(958 posts)
48. Comey has been turned by the Trump team
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 06:42 PM
Jun 2017

Comey has been blackmailed, bought off, and offered future rewards for a positive outcome from his testimony. He will not say one thing that could result in any substantial legal action against Trump, much less an impeachment.

Watch Comey squirm through his answers. Once he is done; he is home free. He will disappear into retirement with a paid consulting job somewhere in the Midwest and never be heard from again.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
49. Yeah...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:04 PM
Jun 2017

I thought that was the whole deal..get comeys' testamony
and let the big chief decide whether it is ooj...
Ever get the feeling the whole thing is one
big shame? The lines are being rehearsed....the players
have all been pacified...

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
51. As a witness, he will say what happened, but not speculate on it's intended effect.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:23 PM
Jun 2017

It's up to those hearing the testimony to determine if it constituted obstruction.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
52. Comey is not the judge, jury and executioner.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jun 2017

Comey is a witness the will allow the judge and jury to remove drumpf et al from the oval office and the WH.

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