I will not give up on Russia!

Puhleeze.

Looks a lot like an alt-left ratf*cking operation to me. One of their articles is all about how Hillary is trying to "scapegoat" Russia by blaming the Kremlin for her election loss.

Sounds more like right-wingers/Russians playing both sides.

Many of them got played like a fiddle by Putin's dezinformatsiya campaign, it's true. But they exist. Many of them still hate Hillary more than they hate Trump. It's an ugly truth, but one we have to reckon with.

would want to sabotage efforts to get the facts about, and hold Republicans accountable for, possible treason?

It is ironic, though, because Bernie got rat-fucked by the Alt-left - if I understand the definition right, the alt-left hates neoliberal capitalism (count me in on that one), but is mostly about identity politics - so, basically these are the guys who destroyed Bernie's arguments for economic justice, which would actually have helped most Americans, in favor of the argument that social justice is more important than economic justice. To which I'd reply that to most Americans, economic justice is more important. But that lost him the primary - very interesting lesson in politics. And, no, I'm not refighting the primary - that was merely an observation of an ironic fact.

But you know, silly me. I just want single payer healthcare, which would make my life a whole lot better. In fact, Medicare for all Americans would make ALL of our lives better.

that "neoliberal" Hillary lost due to her "corruption" and weaknesses as a candidate. In other words, they are a perfect counterpart to Putinbots on the right.

BTW, I want single payer too. I'm just not willing to pretend that social justice for women, minorities, GLBTs, etc. should take a backseat to economic issues. Both are equally important.

I'm an economist, so naturally I consider economic issues very important to quality of life.

As to social justice issues, yes they are quite important. I will concede that for the affected groups, social justice may well outstrip economic justice in importance. But this is why the right wing keeps winning elections. We get divided, either purposely by opponents, who throw in wedge issues like this Kovalik seems to be doing, or stupidly, by doing it to ourselves. In the meantime, Republicans agree on a few major talking points, POUND on those over and over and over, and win elections.

That's all I'm saying. We surely have morality on our side and are generally the party of common decency. Where we fail miserably is agreeing upon, and then coalescing around, common, easily understood kitchen table issues. We just don't do that well, and our failure to set effective priorities that are attractive not only to our base, but to independent center voters, who outnumber us, is what keeps us irrelevant and out of power.

Obama is a great man, and was a great president. I worked as a volunteer in both of his campaigns, even though he governed a bit too centrist for my tastes. But the place he, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the Dems failed on was trumpeting their accomplishments and how those accomplishments translate into jobs, better healthcare and so on for the common American. Sure, this information was all on websites for wonks like me, but it sure as hell didn't hit the mainstream.

We just do NOT message well. For example, ask a Republican about the ACA and he'll likely say, "oh, the JOB-KILLING Obamacare! Blah, blah, blah." The key phrase being 'job killing.' But look at the reality: between 2008 and 2016, during and after the implementation of the ACA, employment in the healthcare industry in the USA went from 13,642,846 jobs in 2008 to 15,646,503 in 2016. In other words, instead of killing jobs, Obamacare caused healthcare to grow 15% (just over 2 million new jobs) over the ten year period.

That's just one example. We had huge job growth in the private sector, but employment in government went down by 293,625 while private sector jobs grew robustly.

According to the BLS unemployment report published Friday, June 2, America only added 138,000 new jobs last month. But where are we talking about how anemic that job growth is! If Obama were in office, his average job growth from 2012 on was 241,000 jobs a month, while under the Trump 'administration,' job growth hasn't even averaged 200k per month. Where are we talking about that? We should be trumpeting that.

How will we pay for roads? Trains? What about net neutrality? What about fucking Flint, for God's sake? Those people still have undrinkable water. What the fuck? This is America!

And then we have the Dem who bowed out of the race in Iowa due to death threats from inbred, ignorant, illiterate, ku klux motherfuckers. What the hell? Why aren't we getting the FBI taking care of that???? That's fucking illegal and goes against everything this nation stands for.

Well, excuse the rant. Until we get the Russia-treason-act of war thing out of the way, all this other stuff necessarily goes back burner. But we really DO need to learn to message A LOT better. A lot.

that social justice is a necessary condition for economic justice in that social injustice precipitates economic injustice for marginalized groups.

You make a very frank and honest point when you state:

"As to social justice issues, yes they are quite important. I will concede that for the affected groups, social justice may well outstrip economic justice in importance."

My point is that the affected groups may well argue that without social justice, economic justice will forever be foreclosed to them. Will it truly be economic "justice" if those people are left behind?

Wolfers' tweet: https://t.co/KWSd8GWp2s

Link to tweet

Trump opens with "THE ECONOMY IS STARTING TO COME BACK..."
Here's the data. Decide for yourself. - Justin Wolfers




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Progree sez: The economy may not have completely stalled out (judging from Friday's jobs report), but it has slowed down. Only 594,000 more jobs than in January, for an average gain of 148,500/month.

Contrast that to the average job gain in the preceding 12 months: (Jan 2017 minus Jan 2016)/12 = 194,200/month

Non-farm payroll jobs: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001

And as far as May itself -- Payroll jobs: +138,000 (but considering March and April were revised down by a combined 66,000, there are only a moderately pathetic 72,000 jobs more than there was in the May 5 jobs report)

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I thought you might find this interesting and amusing considering your 5th - 7th paragraphs

want Hillary to stop speaking out and take a back seat. She wrote this in The Hill. This is coming from the author of "Shattered", a smug, arrogant, Monday morning quarter back look at "why Hillary lost the election", minimizing the "possible" Russian interference and Comey interference, and instead pushing most of the blame on Hillary.

It is going to be interesting to watch pseudo purveyors of truth as the investigation continues to uncover more things about collusion with the Russians, and a very real concern that the election was compromised.

Fake news is still alive and well, and I would not be surprised if there is elements of Russian involvement in this garbage also

maybe. Of course us hoi polio are already certain Trump is traitor.

Problem is someone has to come up with enough proof. We aren't there yet, or there is and the FBI and Mueller aren't going to share it......also yet.

It sounds like Oliver Stone was just giving a platform for Putin to defend himself with absolutely no push back. Skepticism is fine, but it sounds like what Stone and the other "skeptics" in the article are saying is that we need to give Putin and the Trump admin a free pass, just because. Makes you wonder if there's money involved, or does Putin have videotapes of Stone in compromising positions.... Also I haven't heard of the Real News Network before this, but are they considered to be a credible journalistic organization, or are they susceptible to Russian money as well to help fund their continued operation? Regardless, these skeptics haven't presented a more cogent argument than "Putin and Trump are innocent, look over there...."

“Anybody who says we shouldn’t look into Russia at this point is either in it or a traitor,”

We are taking Donnie Two Scoops down, alt-left be damned!

the White House as our President? I have zero intentions of letting that one go.

with Europe, with Mexico, with Australia -- in favor of Russia?

And we're supposed to ignore all that and only talk about jobs and racism?

No way. Every action he takes is related to either making more money for himself, or for Putin.

is trying to paint Russia like it's a victim? Oh isn't he a special little Putti pet.

worrying about Russia instead of jobs and racism?

Well, because there seems to be proof that Republicans within and without the Trump campaign, and now the Trump administration colluded with Russia to influence the result of our 2016 presidential election. This is not OK, and it is vital for the welfare of this great nation that we get all the facts and determine the extent of the treason, because that is what it is, TREASON.

That is all he needed to say.

The ratfucking continues.

it was a reporter for a questionable "news" source, and some guy who wrote a - what? book? article?

The headline is bullshit.

The media smells blood and they aren't going to stop for some Dem comments about jobs.

all of these things at the same time? Seems like we are a pretty big country and we can handle the Russia stuff, jobs, racism, sexism, fair wages,a fair justice system, fair banking practices and the environment all at the same time. Isn't that why there are so many separate offices within the government?

to be a complete investigation however I would not push it as a reason to impeach Trump unless evidence is discovered that proves he was working with them to rig the election.

... Gee, but 9/11 was nearly 16 YEARS AGO. He probably hatched his plan(s) in the ensuing years after it became so apparent just how gullible Americans (especially Republicans) in large numbers can be.

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Trump collided with Russia to steal the election. Dems need to find the truth to save democracy.

I want to know the truth.

I checked The Real News Network's website. It appears to be an apologist for Putin. I can't tell for sure but its issue seems to be that Democrats simply aren't liberal enough.

I'm not convinced I should be real concerned with their opinions.

There won't be any jobs after Russia is done with us. We are their economic rival.

These are faux "leftists" who wouldn't understand Marxist doctrine is some rubbed their face in it.

it goes straight to the heart of our democracy. And if that country was successful in getting its choice of candidate elected, fraudently, we have in fact been taken over by that foreign government, in part. Esp if the candidate is grateful, which by all appearances, he is.

This is not an either-or. We MUST protect the country, first and foremost. We ALSO must be concerned with jobs.

This sounds like something a Republican reporter would say, which is what I thought this article was about.

Bizarre.

That's what ended Hillary and what will end Trump.

It's the steady drumbeat of constant new information.

Drip... Drip... Drip...