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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 11:37 AM Jun 2017

Rosenstein: I Wouldn't Obey Trump Order To Fire Mueller Without 'Good Cause'

Source: Talking Points Memo



By ESME CRIBB Published JUNE 13, 2017 11:17 AM

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein on Tuesday said he would not obey if President Donald Trump ordered him to fire the special counsel overseeing the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election unless there was “good cause.”

“I’m not going to follow any orders unless I believe those are lawful and appropriate orders,” Rosenstein testified before a Senate Appropriations subcommittee hearing.

He said Trump had not talked to him about former FBI director Robert Mueller’s appointment as special counsel.

“Under the regulation, Special Counsel Mueller may be fired only for good cause and I am required to put that cause in writing. And so that’s what I would do,” Rosenstein said. “If there were good cause I would consider it. If there were not good cause it wouldn’t matter to me what anybody says.”

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rosenstein-trump-mueller-firing-good-cause

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Rosenstein: I Wouldn't Obey Trump Order To Fire Mueller Without 'Good Cause' (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2017 OP
My blood pressure just went down DK504 Jun 2017 #1
That almost guarantees Trump will try to fire him. MGKrebs Jun 2017 #2
Rosenstein also pointed out... yallerdawg Jun 2017 #3
Reviewable by who? The White House? Congress? Will they just classify it? briv1016 Jun 2017 #26
How reassuring of him awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #4
Great news!!! mucifer Jun 2017 #5
The Good Cause when Rosenstein put in writing to have FBI Director Comey asiliveandbreathe Jun 2017 #6
Rosenstein was PISSED when 45 tried to use his memo as the basis for firing Comey. forgotmylogin Jun 2017 #10
Then Rosey should not have written it!! - eom asiliveandbreathe Jun 2017 #11
Well, remember... forgotmylogin Jun 2017 #14
He knew Trump was going to fire Comey Juliusseizure Jun 2017 #19
What's good for Rosenstein? The Russians threatening to blackmail him? :-) Julian Englis Jun 2017 #7
It takes good cause to fire a special counsel Gothmog Jun 2017 #8
I Wouldn't Obey Trump Order mitch96 Jun 2017 #9
someone in his administration who knows history? I know it's a longshot... yurbud Jun 2017 #13
Robert Bork Turbineguy Jun 2017 #16
isn't saving Trump from jail a good cause? He would say so. Kablooie Jun 2017 #12
News alert-Deputy AG promises to uphold law Juliusseizure Jun 2017 #15
Rosenstein has no future in "politics" FakeNoose Jun 2017 #18
I'll take his word but it may not save Mueller Juliusseizure Jun 2017 #21
I think that it is harder than it appears marylandblue Jun 2017 #29
But of course "good cause" would be whatever his masters told him it should be. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #17
Toady said Whaaa? Txbluedog Jun 2017 #20
You bet Maxheader Jun 2017 #22
The fact that he apparently thought it was necessary to even say it gilbert sullivan Jun 2017 #23
Does "keeping my job" equal good cause? n/t QC Jun 2017 #24
Line up all Repuk congresscritters.... noneof_theabove Jun 2017 #25
Hmm.. Mike Nelson Jun 2017 #27
Ok folks matt819 Jun 2017 #28
Sorry! dawn frenzy adams Jun 2017 #30

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
2. That almost guarantees Trump will try to fire him.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 11:45 AM
Jun 2017

And Rosenstein too. You are not allowed to challenge Trumps authority. It's in the manual.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. Rosenstein also pointed out...
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 11:50 AM
Jun 2017

any replacement and even the jackass in the White House would have to deliver a reviewable "good cause" to remove the special counsel.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
4. How reassuring of him
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 11:56 AM
Jun 2017

NOT.

Listen, these guys are a band of comrades. They're all the same, and they will not rock the boat.



mucifer

(23,571 posts)
5. Great news!!!
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 11:57 AM
Jun 2017

I don't trust any repubs these days.

But, I guess he's afraid of being part of this and what the history books could say about him.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
6. The Good Cause when Rosenstein put in writing to have FBI Director Comey
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 12:01 PM
Jun 2017

was??? - Should that be the bench mark Rosey????

forgotmylogin

(7,533 posts)
10. Rosenstein was PISSED when 45 tried to use his memo as the basis for firing Comey.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jun 2017

---Rosenstein underscored that the memo he wrote was "not a legal brief" and was "not a statement of reasons to justify a for-cause termination...[and] not a survey of FBI morale or performance" but instead "a candid internal memorandum about the FBI director's public statements concerning a high-profile criminal investigation." http://www.npr.org/2017/05/19/529147240/rosenstein-on-comey-memo-i-wrote-it-i-believe-it-i-stand-by-it

Meaning, I think Rosenstein believed he was contributing to the behind-the-scenes discussion about replacing Comey, not writing the excuse note Trump intended to wave in the air to shift the responsibility from his own self.

forgotmylogin

(7,533 posts)
14. Well, remember...
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 01:22 PM
Jun 2017

Democrats were calling for his head after the Hillary kerfuffle. The memo stated things that had victimized her campaign. It was common knowledge he probably was going to be eventually replaced--Obama could have done it. But Rosenstein probably didn't predict it would be *the day after* his memo with it publicly cited as the reasoning.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
19. He knew Trump was going to fire Comey
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:25 PM
Jun 2017

True, the memo was accurate in assessing Comey's disregard of FBI protocol and ethical guidelines in his handling of the Clinton emails. Comey should have been fired by Obama. Trump just took advantage but was going to fire him anyway (I love that admission to Lester Holt).

Rosey knew that before writing the memo. This from the NY Times:

"The entire Senate, in a highly unusual gathering, was briefed on the Justice Department inquiry by Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, who stunned some lawmakers when he suggested that he had known President Trump had planned to fire James B. Comey as F.B.I. director before he provided a memo to the president outlining a rationale for his dismissal."

So he knew it could and likely would be used as justification to fire Comey.

However, he said the memo was an internal document and did not recommend firing Comey yada yada...

I'm a lot dumber than Mr. Harvard law deputy AG, and if the world's biggest con-man tells me he's going to fire Comey and asks me, representing the justice dept, to write a memo describing Comey's faults, wtf do I think he's going to use it for? On the other hand, I don't think he had any choice.

Also, he wrote the memo to Sessions. Sessions recused himself. That seems to be in breach of the recusal.

What got Rosenstein mad was getting caught in what smells like a collusive arrangement - he didn't know Trump would publicly announce he based his firing on Rosenstein's non-recommendation justification, and call it a recommendation.

Also, he got caught writing it to Sessions. No explanation given that I'm aware of.


mitch96

(13,926 posts)
9. I Wouldn't Obey Trump Order
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 12:33 PM
Jun 2017

My question is, what's stopping tRump from firing AG's till he finds one that will fire Muller???
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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
13. someone in his administration who knows history? I know it's a longshot...
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 01:10 PM
Jun 2017

but there could be such a person.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
15. News alert-Deputy AG promises to uphold law
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jun 2017

It's always newsworthy whenever a Republican or Republican appointee says he'll comply with the law, because its optional for "the party of law and order". For post-Reagan Machavellian Republicans, the law is a meaningless tool.

Not that Rosenstein will comply, but it's a BIG DEAL for a Republican to say they'll follow the law if it may harm Republican interests. However, he's a pariah if he follows through.

First rule of Republican party- You don't follow the law if it may do harm to another Republican!!

Second Rule of Republican Party- If a democrat can be alleged of anything, you shove that law, ethical code, or whatever you can down their f*cking throats.





FakeNoose

(32,777 posts)
18. Rosenstein has no future in "politics"
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:22 PM
Jun 2017

...by that I mean he doesn't plan to run for office.

So he's not guided by whatever Trump wants today - or tomorrow.

My guess is that Rosenstein really is motivated to uphold the Constitution, and he's probably a "Republican" in name only. Sort of like Comey is, or was, before he quit the GOP altogether.

For now I'm taking his word on this, only because he's -not- implicated in the Russian clusterfuck.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
21. I'll take his word but it may not save Mueller
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:47 PM
Jun 2017

This is more of an aside, but Trump will try to throw out the regulations allowing appointment of a special counsel, fire Rosenstein, fire Sessions and replace him with a loyal AG, etc. We KNOW he'll try obstructing the investigation.

I'm sure he has a list of options he's reviewing and waiting to implement at the right moment based on a manipulated set of facts.

He's a street thug sociopath businessman and the media and democrats seem to miss this. He's extremely incompetent and uninformed on many things, but has 50 years of experience planning and shamelessly executing clever little criminal ruses that catch people by surprise.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
29. I think that it is harder than it appears
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 06:02 PM
Jun 2017

Federal rulemaking is a process. A regulation can't be undone by executive order alone. Also, there is a doctrine at law that if you can't do something directly, you also can't do it indirectly. So if Trump obligingly tweets that he is rewriting the regulations so he can fire Mueller, he will face a strong legal challenge. He made the same mistake with the travel bam and he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

noneof_theabove

(410 posts)
25. Line up all Repuk congresscritters....
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:31 PM
Jun 2017

1) give each a sequential number
2) tattoo a scarlet R on the forehead of the odd numbers
3) renumber
4) rinse, lather and repeat

Mike Nelson

(9,968 posts)
27. Hmm..
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:51 PM
Jun 2017

..."good cause" is quite open. Rosenstein must receive a good paycheck, which could cause concern if ended.

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