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Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:41 AM Jun 2017

Dem: Congress will begin impeachment if Trump fires Mueller, Rosenstein

Source: The Hill

June 17, 2017
Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) said Friday that Congress would come together and “begin impeachment proceedings” against President Trump if he fired special counsel Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

“All Americans, regardless of party, agree on the fundamental principle that no one is above the law,” Lieu said on MSNBC. “And if President Trump were to fire Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein, and then [get] special counsel Mueller fired, I believe Congress would begin impeachment proceedings.”

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/338244-dem-lawmaker-congress-would-begin-impeachment-if-trump-fired-mueller



Sounds like a good plan!
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Dem: Congress will begin impeachment if Trump fires Mueller, Rosenstein (Original Post) Equinox Moon Jun 2017 OP
I still think there is a good chance he will fire Mueller because he wants to and is Dustlawyer Jun 2017 #1
If Mueller is fired does that mean his whole assembled team is fired? Equinox Moon Jun 2017 #4
Mueller can refuse to be fired... FarPoint Jun 2017 #26
Okay, but if he is, does his team get fired as well or do they carry-on? Equinox Moon Jun 2017 #33
Good question. I would think that who ever takes over Dustlawyer Jun 2017 #36
Thanks. I guess we will watch it play out. Equinox Moon Jun 2017 #42
The Hill is warning trump, that's one of his 4 'trusted' medias. They're afraid trump will.... Sunlei Jun 2017 #35
Trumplethinskin is brazen enough...... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2017 #2
Yeah.. Please proceed, 45. ananda Jun 2017 #3
The only problem with this is that Paul Ryan is next in line for presidency. Equinox Moon Jun 2017 #5
And Ryan will fall as well..... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2017 #13
You've sorta skipped over Pence, who may or may not be involved but who is still next in line. hedda_foil Jun 2017 #28
Depends on bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #6
So glad this line has been drawn in the sand. Paladin Jun 2017 #7
And, a really great threat to hold over trump. Equinox Moon Jun 2017 #8
Impeach Trump March - July 2, 2017 (World Wide!) Equinox Moon Jun 2017 #9
Unfortunately, the key phrase is "I think." patricia92243 Jun 2017 #10
Man bluestarone Jun 2017 #12
I'm in this club. tazkcmo Jun 2017 #20
no chance until after democrats retake congress beachbum bob Jun 2017 #11
It's unfortunate that cowardly Republicans aren't saying this - just Dems. Chemisse Jun 2017 #14
Ha ha. Never happen. Dump will have to voted out in Nov 2020. FenwayDonkey Jun 2017 #15
The Republicans may begin impeachment proceedings Progressive dog Jun 2017 #16
I dunno Maxheader Jun 2017 #17
I'll believe it when I see it. Atman Jun 2017 #18
they won't begin impeachment hearings until limbaugh says its okay certainot Jun 2017 #19
Won't happen. nt Duppers Jun 2017 #21
I'd prefer to hear this from a Republican's mouth Generic Brad Jun 2017 #22
Right. Silver Gaia Jun 2017 #24
As much as I admire Ted Lieu, "I believe" is just not good enough. Silver Gaia Jun 2017 #23
Trump will fire Mueller Moral Compass Jun 2017 #25
BREAKING NEWS: Webster's Dictionary Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #27
Call me when a Republican says this on or JenniferJuniper Jun 2017 #29
further proof that Trump is actually stupid yurbud Jun 2017 #30
Impeachment is the appropriate response Nancy Waterman Jun 2017 #31
Someone should tell Denny Heck (D-WA) because that bozo FenwayDonkey Jun 2017 #32
Republicans will probably tie trump impeachment with their stupid health insurance plan. Sunlei Jun 2017 #34
Good to know. It's always good to hear from Congressman Lieu. nt Hekate Jun 2017 #37
The GOP clearly does NOT "agree on the fundamental principle that no one is above the law." Nitram Jun 2017 #38
Nobody's getting impeached. At least, until late Jan 2019 JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2017 #39
I would prefer an indictment of Pence first. JackRiddler Jun 2017 #40
No they won't Mz Pip Jun 2017 #41

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
1. I still think there is a good chance he will fire Mueller because he wants to and is
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:50 AM
Jun 2017

not used to controlling his desires. He also doesn't like to be told no, don't do something.

Americans know there SHOULD BE no one above the law, but we know there are Wall Street bankers who are as untouchable as Dick Cheney and W! TPTB have made it so that their people do not get investigated, indicted or convicted. They are able to keep that from happening. It is only when a powerful person rips off or screws over other powerful people that they go down. Trump has done that in spades!

FarPoint

(12,372 posts)
26. Mueller can refuse to be fired...
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:26 AM
Jun 2017

I heard there is a clause in the appointment that covered this option...it may of been blogged by Seth Abramson

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
36. Good question. I would think that who ever takes over
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:50 PM
Jun 2017

would keep the same people for continuity. They are all proven top in their area of expertise.

The only way they would not is if the person to take over was there to kill or whitewash the investigation.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
35. The Hill is warning trump, that's one of his 4 'trusted' medias. They're afraid trump will....
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:10 PM
Jun 2017

They're afraid trump will have one of his typical crazy Saturday nights & lash out.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
2. Trumplethinskin is brazen enough......
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:50 AM
Jun 2017


to do just that. That he knows the noose is tightening around his neck and the vultures are circling around his carcass of a body.

I say, let him fire Rosenstein and Mueller, and Trump brings down his entire Administration, Pence included. For Pence is protecting and defending Trump, as he knows exactly what is going on.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
13. And Ryan will fall as well.....
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:32 AM
Jun 2017


The residents of Janesville and much of his District cannot stand him. It is the Kenosha area that keeps him in office.

Paul Ryan lacks the will to even be Speaker of The House. He has a caucus that is not united at the moment. Nor has he done much since taking over the gavel.

Paladin

(28,261 posts)
7. So glad this line has been drawn in the sand.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:17 AM
Jun 2017

And I hope trump ends up washing himself out of office as a result. Thank you, Rep. Lieu.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
10. Unfortunately, the key phrase is "I think."
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:24 AM
Jun 2017

If he knew this DEFINITELY, then it would be a different matter.
In this case "I think" is much like saying "I hope." We all hope this is what would happen.

Seeing is believing. The Republicans always put party before country.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
20. I'm in this club.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:49 AM
Jun 2017

I don't believe the GOPee will begin impeachment at all. Not even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
11. no chance until after democrats retake congress
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:28 AM
Jun 2017

Paul Ryan lacks a moral center to do what is right for america if and when trump fires Mueller and/or Rosenstein.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
14. It's unfortunate that cowardly Republicans aren't saying this - just Dems.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:33 AM
Jun 2017

I think most lawmakers would get on board if Trump crossed this line; I like to have some tiny bit of faith in the basic goodness of people. But there is no guaranty.

Trump might be deterred if he believed this would happen. My hope is that this is being communicated to him privately.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
16. The Republicans may begin impeachment proceedings
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:42 AM
Jun 2017

if public opinion forces them to but--- I think just most of them will continue to defend that psychopath's actions at least until they get some of their joint agenda into law.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
17. I dunno
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jun 2017

Seems to be some confusion, in places...of just who
dictates the law. Dementia boy could keep our courts
tangle up in various, outrageous charges that the
russian theft of our election and who outed who
and "what investigation" dissolve off americuns
radar. like 9 - 11

Atman

(31,464 posts)
18. I'll believe it when I see it.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:03 AM
Jun 2017

Nancy Pelosi has been on every talk show saying we shouldn't be talking about impeachment. She wouldn't impeach W for war crimes, so what's a little 'fake news.'

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
19. they won't begin impeachment hearings until limbaugh says its okay
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:06 AM
Jun 2017

that's the problem with continuing to ignore the right's most important weapon. that's what keeps the base together and the reps in line.

ignoring rw radio continues to be the biggest political mistake in history

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
22. I'd prefer to hear this from a Republican's mouth
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:12 AM
Jun 2017

No disrespect intended to Congressman Lieu. We all know that Democrats will do the right thing if this situation transpires. But I have no confidence that all but an insignificant handful of Republicans will follow suit. They value party over country; authoritarianism over democracy.

Now is the time to speak up but none of them are brave enough to do that. I do not have the same level of confidence in this congress that Congressman Lieu has.

Silver Gaia

(4,544 posts)
23. As much as I admire Ted Lieu, "I believe" is just not good enough.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:14 AM
Jun 2017

We can "believe" any number of things, but that doesn't make any of those things TRUE. Unfortunately.

Moral Compass

(1,521 posts)
25. Trump will fire Mueller
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:24 AM
Jun 2017

I have little doubt that Trump is going to fire Mueller and then when Rosenstein refuses to fire him, Rosenstein.

What I'm much less certain of is whether Congress will come together to file impeachment proceedings.

I also think that a President Pence could be our worst nightmare. He Is is a full bore crazy Christian Domnionist.

Assuming that Pence isn't pulled down by the same maelstrom of scandals…we could see a huge number bills hitting his desk very quickly. The Republicans know that they have a limited time to wreak destruction on the federal government.

If the paralysis we have going on due to Trump goes away I would be very very afraid.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
27. BREAKING NEWS: Webster's Dictionary
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:29 AM
Jun 2017

has updated their newest dictionary, when you find the word "guilty" , they now simply have this

?itok=SnlMed62

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
29. Call me when a Republican says this on or
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:58 AM
Jun 2017

off the record.

Until then, the earliest proceedings will begin is January 2019.

Nancy Waterman

(6,407 posts)
31. Impeachment is the appropriate response
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jun 2017

Firing Mueller is clearly obstruction. I don't know if the GOP House has the courage and integrity to do it, but it would be the appropriate response for sure.

 

FenwayDonkey

(68 posts)
32. Someone should tell Denny Heck (D-WA) because that bozo
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jun 2017

just gave the most disheartening interview I've seen. It was posited to him what would happen if Trump had Mueller fired and stated there would be a "constitutional crisis" and that the response would be to create an "independent commission" to investigate which is according to him what should have happened in the first place. He said this would take the issue out of politics. Are you kidding me? Shutting down an investigation being handled by professional prosecutors and handing to over to a bunch of retired Dem and GOP politicians is taking it out of politics? Someone in his district needs to set this guy straight.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
34. Republicans will probably tie trump impeachment with their stupid health insurance plan.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jun 2017

I have no faith in republicans, they never do the right thing. After all trumps their man.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
39. Nobody's getting impeached. At least, until late Jan 2019
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 07:20 PM
Jun 2017

If there are less than two years left in Trump's term, Pence can serve that time, and then run for a "first" term as prez, giving him a possible almost ten years in the White House.

If there's more than two years left in Trump's term when Pence takes over, those two-plus years would count as a first term, so Pence could only run for re-election one time, for a total of six years (and some days) in the White House.

The Repubs will be patient.

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