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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,986 posts)
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:42 PM Jun 2017

Senate health-care draft repeals Obamacare taxes, provides bigger subsidies for low-income Americans

Source: Washington Post

Senate leaders on Wednesday were putting the final touches on legislation that would reshape a big piece of the U.S. health-care system by dramatically rolling back Medicaid while providing a softer landing to Americans who stand to lose coverage gained under the Affordable Care Act.

A discussion draft circulating Wednesday afternoon among aides and lobbyists would roll back the ACA’s taxes, phase down its Medicaid expansion, rejigger its subsidies, give states wider latitude in opting out of its regulations and eliminate federal funding for Planned Parenthood.

The bill largely mirrors the House measure that narrowly passed last month but with some significant changes. While the House legislation pegged federal insurance subsidies to age, the Senate bill would link them to income as the ACA does. The Senate proposal cuts off Medicaid expansion more gradually than the House bill, but would enact deeper long-term cuts to the health-care program for low-income Americans. It also removes language restricting federally-subsidized health plans from covering abortions, which may have run afoul of complex budget rules.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) intends to present the draft to wary GOP senators at a meeting on Thursday morning. McConnell has vowed to hold a vote before senators go home for the July Fourth recess, but he is still seeking the 50 votes necessary to pass the major legislation under arcane budget rules. A handful of senators from conservatives to moderates are by no means persuaded that they can vote for the emerging measure.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-health-care-draft-repeals-obamacare-taxes-provides-bigger-subsidies-for-low-income-americans-than-house-bill/2017/06/21/3f2226ee-56bd-11e7-ba90-f5875b7d1876_story.html?utm_term=.7a9da1934689&wpisrc=al_a



Basically a slightly less crappy version of the House bill
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Senate health-care draft repeals Obamacare taxes, provides bigger subsidies for low-income Americans (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2017 OP
Will it be different enough from the House bill wryter2000 Jun 2017 #1
So long as it fulfills its primary purposes of COLGATE4 Jun 2017 #3
This tax break for the rich bill elmac Jun 2017 #2
Next time you see a private 747 flying over, be proud... angstlessk Jun 2017 #5
A soft landing in a desert is still a desert (no insurance coverage). It's worse than a repeal. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #4
Cover Less, Pay More, Punish the Poor, Reward the Rich bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #6
That about covers it, and watch them spin the B.S on this still_one Jun 2017 #7
Yep. Easy 50 + Pence votes. ''Twas all about $$$, never about heath Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #8
You left out defunding Planned Parenthood. Jim Lane Jun 2017 #11
Also as noted it might not be allowed in a reconciliation bill karynnj Jun 2017 #17
Opposition to PP isn't really important to them but they're afraid of the base Jim Lane Jun 2017 #18
If it causes the bill to not be allowable under reconciliation it will be eliminated karynnj Jun 2017 #19
Saw this post and sent another letter to my POS senator.. mountain grammy Jun 2017 #9
I find that difficult to believe BainsBane Jun 2017 #10
I find that the easiest to believe because they can not have it and be under reconciliation karynnj Jun 2017 #16
So what's the over/under for the CBO score? briv1016 Jun 2017 #12
My fear is this is likely to pass easily using Planned Parenthood as a negotiating item. nikibatts Jun 2017 #13
Great. I was disabled young, few work credits, so Medicaid is my only coverage. n/t Akoto Jun 2017 #14
The headline of the article may be misinterpreted karynnj Jun 2017 #15
I couldn't get the full headline in the space alloted for the title Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2017 #20
Thanks - that is reassuring karynnj Jun 2017 #22
what happens if nobody can take Grandma? Marthe48 Jun 2017 #21
FUCK THAT SHIT REPUBLICANS- "let states opt out of its regulations" means emergency rooms for Sunlei Jun 2017 #23

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
3. So long as it fulfills its primary purposes of
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:57 PM
Jun 2017

1) decimating the social safety net for less fortunate Americans and 2) ensuring even greater tax giveaways for the wealthiest 1% they will reconcile it. Those are the only two things motivating them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
4. A soft landing in a desert is still a desert (no insurance coverage). It's worse than a repeal.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:58 PM
Jun 2017

Do not let Republican Trump or Republican Pence or Republican Ryan or Republican McCONnell lies stand when they say it is better for Americans.

Everybody already has "access" to health care insurance. Everybody has "access" to the luxury suites at a Trump hotel; they just have to pay the outrageous rates. Making health insurance unaffordable is NOT greater access.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
6. Cover Less, Pay More, Punish the Poor, Reward the Rich
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 06:32 PM
Jun 2017

and eliminate the unemployed as members of society

Did I miss anything?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
11. You left out defunding Planned Parenthood.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:28 PM
Jun 2017

Fiscally, it's not a huge item, but it might be a deal-breaker. I think Murkowski and Collins both said they'd vote No if that were in there. If they hold to that, then it takes only one more GOP defector, on the Planned Parenthood issue or anything else about the bill, to deny them their majority.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
17. Also as noted it might not be allowed in a reconciliation bill
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:16 AM
Jun 2017

I also think that opposition to PP is not important to many RW legislators, cutting government and taxes is.

They use PP to stir up their base.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
18. Opposition to PP isn't really important to them but they're afraid of the base
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:19 PM
Jun 2017

It would make sense for them to dump the attack on Planned Parenthood, but McConnell's newly announced bill retains that part of the House bill. As you say, they use it to stir up the base. Their decision to keep it in the bill tells me that they feared angering the base more than they feared losing Murkowski and Collins.

Maybe their plan is to back off that provision over the next week, and tell the anti-abortion zealots that at least they tried. Alternatively, they may be relying on party loyalty to bring ferocious pressure to bear on all the Republicans, those who disagree with the bill from the left and from the right. The pitch would be "We've been campaigning on repealing Obamacare and this is the ONLY way to get it done, so you centrists have to agree to defund Planned Parenthood and you extreme conservatives have to agree to a slower Medicaid phase-out, and everybody just STFU."

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
19. If it causes the bill to not be allowable under reconciliation it will be eliminated
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jun 2017

with that as the stated reason. I think it is the need to get under reconciliation - not fear of the base or fear of the two Senators that are important here. They absolutely do not have 60 votes.

At the risk of people misunderstanding what I mean, this is similar to why the Democrats did not add what was needed to have a public option in the reconciliation bill that was passed soon after the passage of the Senate bill being passed as is with 60 votes under the regular process. I expect, if they do that, just as MANY here argued that they could have done so if Obama, Baucus, etc would have allowed it -- there will be some on their politically active base who similarly will argue that this did not happen because someone important did not want it.

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
9. Saw this post and sent another letter to my POS senator..
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:07 PM
Jun 2017

Gardner is working on this. He's a fucking religious fanatic who is pro forced birth, anti birth control, but many women in CO voted for his pretty smile.. because they like living under a boot, I guess.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
16. I find that the easiest to believe because they can not have it and be under reconciliation
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:12 AM
Jun 2017

They know they do not have 60 votes. Under reconciliation they only need 50. Not to mention, that means they can continue to use PP as a raw meat issue with the base.

It will also be used by Lisa Murkowski to justify voting for this as a compromise bill. What they want is to cut billions to use for tax cuts for the wealthy.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
13. My fear is this is likely to pass easily using Planned Parenthood as a negotiating item.
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 04:33 AM
Jun 2017

The devil is in the details that we probably won't see but there is enough sweetness in it to make it palpable to the Trump base and the moderate GOPers. The real problem will be that the media will give all the positive messaging time to the GOP and the Dems will come off as being opposed to healthcare and whiny. Our opposition to it must be carefully crafted. These fuckers know the push-button words to use for their base. If we can't get their base to protest with us, it will become law within a month.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
15. The headline of the article may be misinterpreted
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:05 AM
Jun 2017

I suspect that many readers who see the article will take the phrase "bigger subsidies" to be a comparison with ACA, the exisiting law, not the House bill.

I hope the Democrats will quickly get some tables out that put numbers to show how much people at different incomes stand to lose.

I agree completely with your assessential it is a terrible bill. I even wonder if the Republicans planned the shift from having subsidies by age to income to give cover to some Senators to vote for this. It never made sense to base them on age, not income.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,986 posts)
20. I couldn't get the full headline in the space alloted for the title
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jun 2017

If one goes to the article it says " larger subsidies than house bill"

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
22. Thanks - that is reassuring
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 01:18 PM
Jun 2017

I get the limitations of the LBN format. I did not go to the article so that the full title. (It is a lot better that the WP has the fuller headline.

Marthe48

(16,959 posts)
21. what happens if nobody can take Grandma?
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 01:14 PM
Jun 2017

or Mom? or Dad?

My mother-in-law is in a nursing home because she has dementia. My husband and I were her main caretakers until it wasn't possible to care for her. She just turned 93. Except for dementia, she is in good health. She could live many more years and I hope she does. The first couple of months at the nursing home took care of her savings and she qualified for Medicaid in Ohio. She pays almost all of her SS to the nursing home. I haven't cancelled her secondary insurance coverage because of the uncertainty she'll need it because of the slavering pukes who are hellbent on killing people like her. If I cancel it, the money that went for the premium will go to the nursing home. We don't mind that. She is safe and cared for. If this health coverage plundering occurs, who can take her? We couldn't meet her needs 2 years ago, how will we meet them now? Or in 2020? What happens to people who are unable to leave a professional nursing care facility? Like paraplegics? Or the profoundly challenged?

How many families will just refuse to take their loved ones back into their homes? Will nursing home residents who have no one, no money, no assets just be put out on the curb, like wretched refuse? Are we really back to that?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. FUCK THAT SHIT REPUBLICANS- "let states opt out of its regulations" means emergency rooms for
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 02:45 PM
Jun 2017

uninsured dying, injured & critically sick people and HUGE COSTS to states to pay their hospitals.

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