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Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:36 AM Jul 2017

Lawyer behind Sanders allegations has history of complaints

Source: AP

July 10, 2017
MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — A Republican lawyer pushing the allegations that Sen. Bernie Sanders’ wife committed bank fraud to win a loan while president of a now-defunct Vermont college has a long history of filing complaints against left-of-center politicians in the state.

All of his efforts have been focused on Democrats or members of the state’s Progressive Party. “There aren’t many targets on the Republican side here in Vermont,” Toensing said of the liberal state.

Conor Casey, executive director of the Vermont Democratic Party, said Toensing has a history of filing frivolous complaints. He called the complaints against Jane Sanders “a political witch hunt.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/8a39321ad12a4e6fb7039eb15bcf3e87/Lawyer-behind-Sanders'-allegations-has-history-of-complaints



This republiCon lawyer is a trump supporter, the article says.

Bernie says this is an attack lawsuit. It sure looks that way.
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Lawyer behind Sanders allegations has history of complaints (Original Post) Equinox Moon Jul 2017 OP
There is a real FBI investigation going on and the Sanders have lawyered up Gothmog Jul 2017 #1
It does matter how it was started. Equinox Moon Jul 2017 #2
The fact that federal agents are questioning principles in the matter is proof enough... George II Jul 2017 #4
Federal prosecutors step up probe of land deal pushed by wife of Bernie Sanders Gothmog Jul 2017 #6
That is a seated grand jury. nt VermontKevin Jul 2017 #16
I saw that in the article also Gothmog Jul 2017 #18
A seated grand jury means a federal prosecutor means to make a case. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #21
I had read a local story about one of the donors. NYResister Jul 2017 #23
That donor has stated that she was contemplating making a $1 million donation when she died Gothmog Jul 2017 #31
That's what I got from the article. NYResister Jul 2017 #34
That type of misstatement is the basis for the fraud investigation Gothmog Jul 2017 #35
Thank you. NYResister Jul 2017 #37
Pretty sad that the loan was awarded based on one of the big donors dying.... George II Jul 2017 #38
The donor just refused to make the statements made to get the loan not fraudulent Gothmog Jul 2017 #39
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #27
Read the Washington Post article Gothmog Jul 2017 #29
There's also an OP in "Latest Breaking News" with the same article.... George II Jul 2017 #33
It is a good article Gothmog Jul 2017 #36
Cool down shenmue Jul 2017 #30
It's not an "attack lawsuit", it's not even a lawsuit of any kind - it is a complaint filed... George II Jul 2017 #3
Thank you. Sanders are non millionaires onit2day Jul 2017 #12
Well, not that it matters, but their income last year was over $1M. And.... George II Jul 2017 #13
I took flight? When? Gothmog Jul 2017 #19
From the article posted by Gothmog, it is a seated grand jury. nt VermontKevin Jul 2017 #17
Republican Scum At Work And They Always Get Away With It Weakening Progressives So... All-In Jul 2017 #5
A federally insured financial institution lost money due to potentially false statements Gothmog Jul 2017 #7
20 million Americans lied on loan applications All-In Jul 2017 #8
If the federally insured financial institution suffers a loss, they could be Gothmog Jul 2017 #10
Not $10 million loans. And we don't know yet if she lied, that's why there's an investigation. George II Jul 2017 #14
A federally insured financial institution is exposed for the $10 million loan Gothmog Jul 2017 #20
Al Giordano noted someting interesting about the article you posted. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #22
This is a beyond pathetic hit job All-In Jul 2017 #9
We'll have to see if the Grand Jury issues an indictment. George II Jul 2017 #24
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #11
I don't know about "usual suspects" but there is a federal investigation. Papers VermontKevin Jul 2017 #15
Do we include CBS News and CNBC among the "usual suspects"? George II Jul 2017 #25
no we include them in the usual post-journalism practice of unexamined regurgitation Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #26
Translation please. George II Jul 2017 #32
reporting bullshit doesn't make it not bullshit Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #41
You're implying that the FBI is investigating "bullshit" and has been doing so for more than a year? George II Jul 2017 #42
Whose defending? NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #28
The first article I saw about Jane and the bad loans was in Sept 2015, months before the Vermont GOP Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #40
"This is going to take more than Weaver's dazzle camouflage" Me. Jul 2017 #43

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
1. There is a real FBI investigation going on and the Sanders have lawyered up
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:49 AM
Jul 2017

It does not matter how the investigation started. A federally insured financial institution made a loan based on what appears to be false statements. That financial institution has suffered a loss that loss would have to be absorbed by tax payers if the loss is big enough. The property of the college is being foreclosed on as we speak.

It does not matter how the investigation started. If a federally insured financial institution suffers a loss due to false statements, then FBI will investigate.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
2. It does matter how it was started.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jul 2017

Do you have a link to an article that says an FBI investigation is going on?

I did find this in the article:
The office of Vermont’s U.S. attorney won’t confirm whether the matter is being investigated, but former college officials say they have been questioned by federal agents

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. The fact that federal agents are questioning principles in the matter is proof enough...
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 10:10 AM
Jul 2017

...that an investigation is going on.

And both CBS and CNBC have reported that the FBI is conducting an investigation.

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
6. Federal prosecutors step up probe of land deal pushed by wife of Bernie Sanders
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:47 PM
Jul 2017

This is on the front page of the Washington Post internet feed https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/federal-prosecutors-step-up-probe-of-land-deal-pushed-by-wife-of-bernie-sanders/2017/07/10/e3fc3e72-625a-11e7-8adc-fea80e32bf47_story.html?utm_term=.dde763ae2b24

A federal investigation into a land deal led by Jane Sanders, the wife and political adviser of Sen. Bernie Sanders, has accelerated in recent months — with prosecutors hauling off more than a dozen boxes of records from the Vermont college she once ran and calling a state official to testify before a grand jury, according to interviews and documents.

A half-dozen people said in interviews in recent days that they had been contacted by the FBI or federal prosecutors, and former college trustees told The Washington Post that lawyers representing Jane Sanders had interviewed them to learn what potential witnesses might tell the government.

The investigation centers on the 2010 land purchase that relocated Burlington College to a new campus on more than 32 acres along Lake Champlain. While lining up a $6.7 million loan and additional financing, Sanders told college trustees and lenders that the college had commitments for millions of dollars in donations that could be used to repay the loan, according to former trustees and state officials.

Trustees said they later discovered that many of the donors had not agreed to the amounts or timing of the donations listed on documents Jane Sanders provided to a state bonding agency and a bank. That led to her resignation in 2011 amid complaints from some trustees that she had provided inaccurate information, former college officials said.

The land deal, the officials said, became a financial albatross for the 160-student school, contributing to its closure last year.
 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
21. A seated grand jury means a federal prosecutor means to make a case.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 03:23 PM
Jul 2017

Grand juries are burdensome and expensive.

Another thing of note from the article Gothmog posted is that 3 witnesses have reported being called by Sander's attorneys.

 

NYResister

(164 posts)
23. I had read a local story about one of the donors.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 05:11 PM
Jul 2017

The college claimed that this donor had promised to bequeath a large sum of money, yet the donor claims she did no such thing.

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
31. That donor has stated that she was contemplating making a $1 million donation when she died
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 06:48 PM
Jul 2017

The college in its loan application stated that the donation was due any day and when that donation did not come in, the loan went into default. The fact that the loan went into default shortly after being made is a sign of fraud

 

NYResister

(164 posts)
34. That's what I got from the article.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 07:49 PM
Jul 2017

That the loan was approved due to the listing of her "donation". The donor clearly felt betrayed.

George II

(67,782 posts)
38. Pretty sad that the loan was awarded based on one of the big donors dying....
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 08:06 PM
Jul 2017

One other thing in the article:

“While the Obama administration was in office, I don’t think anyone thought that these baseless allegations warranted hiring a lawyer,” Weaver said. “But with Trump and [Attorney General] Jeff Sessions at the helm, that’s a very different situation.”

I guess Weaver forgot that the investigation began about a year before Obama left office?

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
39. The donor just refused to make the statements made to get the loan not fraudulent
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 08:11 PM
Jul 2017

If the donor had died during the first year of the loan, then the fraud would not have been so easy to detect. The fact that the loan went into default so soon after being made is not a good fact here

Response to Gothmog (Reply #1)

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
29. Read the Washington Post article
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jul 2017

There is a grand jury in place hearing testimony in the real world

A federally insured financial institution made a $10 million loan based on really false statements. These statements used to get the loan were so bad that the loan went bad and now the property in in foreclosure. When someone lies to a federally insured financial institution and that institution loses money, there will be an investigation. Here the loan went in default shortly after being made which is strong evidence of fraud

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. It's not an "attack lawsuit", it's not even a lawsuit of any kind - it is a complaint filed...
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 10:07 AM
Jul 2017

...with Vermont’s United States Attorney and the acting inspector general of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.

The complaint was subsequently referred to the FBI, which is now conducting an investigation.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
12. Thank you. Sanders are non millionaires
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:06 PM
Jul 2017

Else this so called investigation would not even be taking place. Trying so hard to find anything...anything to dull American's progressive leader's input. A man of the people and not Mara-log o. It's so petty. So glad you brought it to DU. Now we see Mothog take flight

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Well, not that it matters, but their income last year was over $1M. And....
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:13 PM
Jul 2017

....I doubt we'll be seeing "Mothog" (you mean Gothmog?), a 13-year member at DU, take flight. Why do you say that?

 

All-In

(312 posts)
5. Republican Scum At Work And They Always Get Away With It Weakening Progressives So...
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 10:15 AM
Jul 2017

Corporations can profit more!

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
7. A federally insured financial institution lost money due to potentially false statements
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:49 PM
Jul 2017

Making false statements to a federally insured financial institution in connection with a loan application is a federal crime. The reason for this is that the taxpayers are on the hook if the federally insured financial institution fails. According to today's Washington Post article, there is a real investigation being conducted here https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/federal-prosecutors-step-up-probe-of-land-deal-pushed-by-wife-of-bernie-sanders/2017/07/10/e3fc3e72-625a-11e7-8adc-fea80e32bf47_story.html?utm_term=.dde763ae2b24

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
20. A federally insured financial institution is exposed for the $10 million loan
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 03:23 PM
Jul 2017

It is doubtful that the proceeds from the foreclosure sale will cover this loan

 

All-In

(312 posts)
9. This is a beyond pathetic hit job
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 01:12 PM
Jul 2017

By republican scum

Because her name is Sanders.

Fight the good fight and this what you can expect.

Corporate scum attacks

Response to Equinox Moon (Original post)

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
15. I don't know about "usual suspects" but there is a federal investigation. Papers
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jul 2017

are writing about the FBI.

Wait, my bad. Apparently a grand jury has been seated, as of April.

Voltaire2

(13,124 posts)
26. no we include them in the usual post-journalism practice of unexamined regurgitation
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 06:41 PM
Jul 2017

by media outlets.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. You're implying that the FBI is investigating "bullshit" and has been doing so for more than a year?
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:57 PM
Jul 2017

You should read the Washington Post article about this "bullshit".

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
28. Whose defending?
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 06:42 PM
Jul 2017

It's a FACT that a grand jury has been convened. You may not like that FACT, but it's still true. Or is it not supposed to be reported?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
40. The first article I saw about Jane and the bad loans was in Sept 2015, months before the Vermont GOP
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 08:17 PM
Jul 2017

filed a complaint. This story has been out there a long time, and when any of us mentioned it could be a problem up the road, we were told we were the assholes.

Nearly all of the GOP claims about left-wing malfeasance are vapor-ware, unless you really believe all the shit they've peddled about the Clintons for years. Being prepared for the shit and having done oppo on your own side is the responsible response, not accusing everyone else of being out to get you.

This is going to take more than Weaver's dazzle camouflage to winkle out of. I guess we know why he stepped down from OR now though.

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