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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,035 posts)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:20 PM Jul 2017

McCains Surgery May Be More Serious Than Thought, Experts Say

Source: New York Times

The condition for which Senator John McCain had surgery on Friday may be more serious than initial descriptions have implied, and it may delay his return to Washington by at least a week or two, medical experts said on Sunday.

The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, has already announced that votes on a bill to dismantle the Affordable Care Act will not begin until Mr. McCain’s return. A statement released by Mr. McCain’s office on Saturday had suggested that he would be in Arizona recovering for just this week, but neurosurgeons interviewed said the typical recovery period could be longer.

The statement from Mr. McCain’s office said a two-inch blood clot was removed from “above his left eye” during a “minimally invasive craniotomy with an eyebrow incision” at the Mayo Clinic Hospital in Phoenix, “following a routine annual physical.” Surgeons there are not conducting interviews, and Mr. McCain’s communications director, Julie Tarallo, said no further information was available.

A craniotomy is an opening of the skull, and an eyebrow incision would be used to reach a clot in or near the left frontal lobes of the brain, neurosurgeons who were not involved in Mr. McCain’s care said.



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McCains Surgery May Be More Serious Than Thought, Experts Say (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2017 OP
Not a surprise. I thought they were downplaying this -- a 5 cm clot is significant. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #1
Speedy recovery, John. truthisfreedom Jul 2017 #2
I'll wish Senator McCain a good recovery, a nice recovery... mwooldri Jul 2017 #4
Maybe he could come back quickly, as a Democrat. Less cognitive dissonance required. lostnfound Jul 2017 #47
Seconded Doug the Dem Jul 2017 #45
What was the source of the bleed? PCIntern Jul 2017 #3
Trump is making Republicans' heads explode. (n/t) thesquanderer Jul 2017 #5
From my experience, sometimes they do. nt kstewart33 Jul 2017 #6
Cancer can cause blood clots. Jacoby365 Jul 2017 #7
Any blood vessel can leak or burst at any time anywhere in the body. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #40
Yes. I understand that PCIntern Jul 2017 #46
Godspeed to a ful recovery sir! samnsara Jul 2017 #8
followed by a MurrayDelph Jul 2017 #12
No dbackjon Jul 2017 #21
AS requires an election grantcart Jul 2017 #32
In 2018 - Gov appoints until then dbackjon Jul 2017 #44
Does this explain his confusion during the Comey hearing? mainer Jul 2017 #9
I wondered about that, he was seriously confused & don't think he'd appeared that way before MrPurple Jul 2017 #17
Some subdurals are just a wait and see, then again mitch96 Jul 2017 #19
The clot itself was 2 inches big and just above the eye. tammywammy Jul 2017 #27
"Not two inches above the eye." mitch96 Jul 2017 #58
They wouldn't do a surgery for an old subdural... Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #35
"They wouldn't do a surgery for an old subdural" mitch96 Jul 2017 #56
Remember A Couple Of Weeks Ago When He Was Asking A Question..... global1 Jul 2017 #10
That's very possible. forgotmylogin Jul 2017 #16
Wishing him well democrank Jul 2017 #11
Get well Senator and try to see the irony of your need for healthcare delaying your vote to kill it. Towlie Jul 2017 #13
Well done. pangaia Jul 2017 #15
True that! mountain grammy Jul 2017 #18
He gets healthcare whether we do or not FakeNoose Jul 2017 #26
Exactly...fuck him and the rest! The "Golden Rule" applies here! BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #38
Exactly...fuck him and the rest! The "Golden Rule" applies hereL BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #39
Very true Scarsdale Jul 2017 #48
Wish him well, hope he feels much better when he returns to work nt populistdriven Jul 2017 #14
Docs might have been watching this anuerysm for awhile DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #20
Unlikely because of the location greymattermom Jul 2017 #25
How was this found in the first place? DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #49
Not To Make Light Of This Because This Is A Serious Problem.... global1 Jul 2017 #22
I think it is NJCher Jul 2017 #28
Congress and staffers buy insurance off the exchange. n/t tammywammy Jul 2017 #31
ACA for now. Provision in Don'Tcare if passed that lets them out of it........... Bengus81 Jul 2017 #61
I wish him well Skittles Jul 2017 #23
I wish no malice on anyione when it comes to surgery DonCoquixote Jul 2017 #24
The koch brothers don't think not fooled Jul 2017 #29
I remember a couple of months ago on this Board an incident where McCain was no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #30
You are right . . . OldRedneck Jul 2017 #37
are you thinking of the Comey Hearings ? where he kept referring to "president comey" ? JI7 Jul 2017 #42
Karma is a bitch, when you've been one with other people's healthcare. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #33
"...than thought..." or "...than we were told..."? Iggo Jul 2017 #34
This is not good OldRedneck Jul 2017 #36
Thanks for the detailed info. CountAllVotes Jul 2017 #53
News isn't reporting anything. Do you think he's even conscious or aware of his condition? Sunlei Jul 2017 #60
"(2) a hemorrhagic stroke in which blood flowed into the cranial area" mitch96 Jul 2017 #63
Yes, they said above the eye .. Hieronymus Jul 2017 #41
which could explain his rambling BainsBane Jul 2017 #43
True. I figure they will haul him in on a stretcher, if Alice11111 Jul 2017 #57
I'm still betting he had a stroke. Testing for clots isn't a routine procedure. Vinca Jul 2017 #50
Please have a good recovery Senator McCain! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2017 #51
Sanjay Gupta, a brain surgeon, Hieronymus Jul 2017 #52
A mass may be melanoma mets greymattermom Jul 2017 #55
My moderately conservative father Jimbo S Jul 2017 #54
at first the clot was reported as tiny, two inches & craniotomy is bad news. Get Well McCain. Sunlei Jul 2017 #59
There will be no voting on shit canning the ACA until........... Bengus81 Jul 2017 #62

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
4. I'll wish Senator McCain a good recovery, a nice recovery...
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:28 PM
Jul 2017

No need to rush back to the Senate. Take all the time you need to recuperate. But definitely get well.

lostnfound

(16,184 posts)
47. Maybe he could come back quickly, as a Democrat. Less cognitive dissonance required.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:25 AM
Jul 2017

It would be good to finish his years in the Senate returning to his roots as a brave patriot.

Jacoby365

(451 posts)
7. Cancer can cause blood clots.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:37 PM
Jul 2017

In fact, the initial press report I read indicated they are doing a biopsy.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
9. Does this explain his confusion during the Comey hearing?
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:45 PM
Jul 2017

A slowly expanding subdural hematoma that muddled his thinking?

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
19. Some subdurals are just a wait and see, then again
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:30 PM
Jul 2017

The confusion might have gotten the surgeons worried.. It's possible he just popped a small blood vessel in the frontal lobe (the personality,cognition) and again it would be a wait and see. No history of trauma. The thing that concerns me is that "two inches above the eye" is about at the frontal hair line.
That's way up there. If things were really weird he would be in surgery with a burr hole in his head, blood removed and a drain in place. None of that occurred. I like the minimally invasive eyebrow trick. Prolly just a tiny hole (craniotomy) and snake a tube up there to suck out the blood..
Just my opinion as a previous medical worker, YMMV...
m

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
58. "Not two inches above the eye."
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jul 2017

I stand corrected, I was quoting old news.... The eyebrow craniotomy would be a straight shot in to suck out the clot. Right at the floor of the frontal fossa above the eye...
Hope he makes it ok....
m

Docreed2003

(16,863 posts)
35. They wouldn't do a surgery for an old subdural...
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:28 PM
Jul 2017

If I had to guess, I bet this is a new intracranial hemorrhage and dollars to donuts it's related to a metastatic lesion from melanoma. Just my 2c trying to read the tea leaves as a medical person

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
56. "They wouldn't do a surgery for an old subdural"
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 03:03 PM
Jul 2017

True. I've seen plenty of CT scans of grannies that had old subdurals that no one knew about. New ones also. Sometimes it would cause more problems to go in than to just wait and see... I'd love to see McCain's CT scan...
m

global1

(25,253 posts)
10. Remember A Couple Of Weeks Ago When He Was Asking A Question.....
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:48 PM
Jul 2017

at a hearing and he wasn't making any sense. We were in a car listening to the hearing and when we heard him being incoherent I said it sounded like he has some serious medical problem with his brain.

Has anybody else commented on that?

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
16. That's very possible.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:04 PM
Jul 2017

The blood flow to his brain may have actually been reduced.

McCain's physical body is trying to thwart ACA repeal...

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
26. He gets healthcare whether we do or not
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:19 PM
Jul 2017

The Senators and House Reps get their shit taken care of, no matter what they do to us.
They get Obamacare, even when it's taken away from their constituents.



BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
38. Exactly...fuck him and the rest! The "Golden Rule" applies here!
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:56 PM
Jul 2017

Do they give a shit about my death sentence, my family, or my bankruptcy????

Answer is NO, NO, and NO!

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
39. Exactly...fuck him and the rest! The "Golden Rule" applies hereL
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:57 PM
Jul 2017

Do they give a shit about my death sentence, my family, or my bankruptcy????

Answer is NO, NO, and NO!

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
48. Very true
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 07:27 AM
Jul 2017

Which of his 5 homes will he be recovering at? I knew something HAD to be wrong when he was not appearing on any of the Sunday talk shows.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
20. Docs might have been watching this anuerysm for awhile
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:39 PM
Jul 2017

My dad had an aortic anuerysm and his doc just monitored it until it got to 5cm, then they did surgery. AFAIK, that was standard treatment. McCain has had melanoma. I'm sure he's been checked every 6 mos and maybe it was noticed during one of those check ups and monitored until it grew big enough to require surgery.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
25. Unlikely because of the location
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:57 PM
Jul 2017

I'm guessing something worse than an aneurism, most likely melanoma mets. Just wait for the pathology report to be sure. But send him to Emory to get the treatment that Jimmy Carter got.

global1

(25,253 posts)
22. Not To Make Light Of This Because This Is A Serious Problem....
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:45 PM
Jul 2017

but 1. What kind of health insurance does he have? ACA maybe?

And

2. Did Ben Carson do the surgery?

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
61. ACA for now. Provision in Don'Tcare if passed that lets them out of it...........
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:11 PM
Jul 2017

Trump care is so shitty they don't want to force Congress members to have to buy it.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
24. I wish no malice on anyione when it comes to surgery
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:56 PM
Jul 2017

however, part of me wishes that the good senators would realize that medicine is a matter of life and death, and that we have a lot more to lose than they do, as many have no access to doctors, period.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
29. The koch brothers don't think
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jul 2017

the Federal government should have any role in providing healthcare. OK, fine--just apply the same standard to congress. Of course, McCain's wife is wealthy, so he would have been covered in any event.

no_hypocrisy

(46,122 posts)
30. I remember a couple of months ago on this Board an incident where McCain was
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:42 PM
Jul 2017

talking jibberish in the Senate.

Maybe it was the blood clot affecting his ability to speak.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
36. This is not good
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:39 PM
Jul 2017

I'm not a physician and I don't play one on teevee. However, I am an Advanced Life Support EMT and I've seen my share of hemorrhagic strokes . . . not pretty.

There are two types of stroke.

1. The most common, an ischemic stroke, occurs when one or more arteries in the brain or carrying blood to the brain become(s) blocked, completely or partially. Ischemic strokes are the most common, accounting for about 93% of strokes. Depending on the degree of blockage, location of the blockage, and time that passes between the blockage and medical treatment, the effects of ischemic strokes can be treated and overcome.

2. Hemorrhagic strokes -- a brain bleed -- are another story. The brain is covered by a membrane, the dura. A blood vessel either above or below the dura can burst, flooding the area with blood. Because the skull is solid, as blood builds up between the skull and the brain, pressure is exerted on the brain. The effects of a brain bleed can be felt almost instantly, or, can take days to show up. Hemorrhagic strokes often are fatal. The only way to fix it is to go through the skull and relieve the pressure on the brain . . . not something we can do in the back of an ambulance.

Sounds to me as though McCain had either (1) a serious ischemic stroke with a clot that blocked blood flow to some part of the brain; or, (2) a hemorrhagic stroke in which blood flowed into the cranial area between the skull and the brain, then, clotted, still exerting pressure on the brain.

I don't know about his meds -- at his age, he may have been on a blood thinner (Plavix, Coumadin). If not, he will be now. There may be more clots. No doubt they did several CT scans to check for other clots and they may have injected clot-busting drugs (TPAs). On the other hand, if this was an "old clot" -- an embolic clot that formed in the heart then traveled to the brain, TPAs don't do much good.

Either way, he is not healthy. He'd better be happy he has the Gold-Plated Congressional Health Insurance Plan.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
60. News isn't reporting anything. Do you think he's even conscious or aware of his condition?
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 03:26 PM
Jul 2017

Can people recover from such a large clot?

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
63. "(2) a hemorrhagic stroke in which blood flowed into the cranial area"
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 09:48 PM
Jul 2017

I agree with this one... just a little leaker that stopped..
m

Hieronymus

(6,039 posts)
52. Sanjay Gupta, a brain surgeon,
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 07:49 AM
Jul 2017

just said it was a craniotomy.
They removed the bone at his eyebrow to remove a mass.

Jimbo S

(2,958 posts)
54. My moderately conservative father
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 09:48 AM
Jul 2017

voted for Obama back in 2008, one small part was a chance McCain wouldn't live out one full term. Many Americans back then felt that way and was a small campaign issue.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
62. There will be no voting on shit canning the ACA until...........
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:14 PM
Jul 2017

Senator McCain recovers from surgery PAID for by having a policy through the ACA.

Does that IDIOT Turtle not understand the HYPOCRISY each time he says this or implies this??

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