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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:24 PM Jul 2017

Coast Guard wants to kick boats off Potomac River when Trump is golfing

Source: Washington Post

Coast Guard wants to kick boats off Potomac River when Trump is golfing



With the Trump National Golf Club clubhouse in the background, Camp Calleva kayak instructor Steve McKone helps one of his campers while teaching a lesson on the Potomac River on Monday. (Toni L. Sandys/The Washington Post)

By Peter Jamison July 17 at 3:56 PM

RILEYS LOCK, MD. The Trump family has offended many sectors of establishment Washington since their arrival in the nations capital, from Langleys spymasters to mansion-dwellers in the Districts Kalorama neighborhood. ... But 30 miles north of the White House, a conflict is now brewing on the banks of the Potomac River that pits the presidents interests against those of a very different if no less zealous constituency. This one is armed with paddles.

Citing security concerns, the U.S. Coast Guard says it is adopting a policy of periodically cutting off access to roughly two miles of the Potomac where it borders Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Va. ... The restrictions would clear the water of canoes, kayaks, stand-up paddleboards, sailboats, jet-skis, motorboats and anglers when Trump or other senior officials of his government decide to spend a day on the back nine.

The buffer zone is stoking intense concern and opposition among recreational users of the river, who range from Olympic athletes to injured soldiers. The proposed shore-to-shore security area includes Rileys Lock, the embarkation point for a popular summer camp and a kayaking program for wounded and disabled veterans.

Its just heartbreaking, said John Deitle, 41, a former marine who served a combined five tours in Afghanistan and Iraq and receives treatment at Walter Reed for lung problems he says are related to chemical exposure. ... Deitle paddles on this stretch of the Potomac with Team River Runner, a nonprofit that caters to wounded vets. On Sunday afternoon, he stood in a life vest at his put-in point on Seneca Creek, a faded Teufel Hunden tattoo showing on one of his bare upper arms. ... Granted, its his golf course, Deitle said. But he has other golf courses.
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Peter Jamison writes about politics and government in the District of Columbia. Before joining The Washington Post he worked at The Los Angeles Times and The Tampa Bay Times. Follow @petejamison

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/coast-guard-wants-to-kick-boats-off-potomac-river-when-trump-is-golfing/2017/07/17/8ac56828-6afd-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html



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As the tweet makes clear, it's not the entire Potomac River. Rather, it's the part of the Potomac River fronted by ***** National Golf Club. You know, the site of that famous Civil War battle. The day the Potomac was renamed "the River of Blood."

I expect later editions will make this clear, but I have to go with the headline I have.

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Retweeted by David Fahrenthold: https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold

New: Coast Guard wants to kick boats off 2 miles of the Potomac River when Trump is golfing


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Coast Guard wants to kick boats off Potomac River when Trump is golfing (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2017 OP
Is Camp David that bad? Why doesn't he go there on the weekends? Beaverhausen Jul 2017 #1
he can't make money going to Camp David. nt barbtries Jul 2017 #19
put up a 50 foot wall on golf course property and block the damn mansion from viewers. Sunlei Jul 2017 #2
The solution to every Trump problem is build the wall IronLionZion Jul 2017 #3
The man wants a wall? build it on his own golf course!! Sunlei Jul 2017 #9
River of Blood??? Maggiemayhem Jul 2017 #4
First Donald Trump changed Loudoun's geography - now he's going after its history mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2017 #8
Antietam was the bloodiest battle in American Military History Maggiemayhem Jul 2017 #12
I don't think ***** cares much about the truth. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2017 #13
Nothing is more beautiful than the Shanandoah Valley! Maggiemayhem Jul 2017 #15
Before I forget, welcome to DU. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2017 #17
That's what the Politicians in Pa do to keep the public from watching them blow-up 100s of birds Sunlei Jul 2017 #5
Can't they shoot clay birds? Maggiemayhem Jul 2017 #16
no they ENJOY killing live birds, 25-50 a day EACH. They don't care lead shot persists in land/water Sunlei Jul 2017 #18
The same portion of the river he's trying to pollute by clear-cutting trees? LisaM Jul 2017 #6
Vegetation buffers are important but, Maggiemayhem Jul 2017 #14
Wait: I have more information, including an address where you can submit comments. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2017 #7
"only....when Trump is playing golf" More_Cowbell Jul 2017 #10
When they tried that in PA with a shooting range (keep boaters away) they couldn't do it. Sunlei Jul 2017 #11
I never saw the club from this viewpoint Yonnie3 Jul 2017 #20
while i an understand the coast gaurds desire for security dembotoz Jul 2017 #21
Given Trump's Golf Habits, The Coast Guard Plans To Cut Off Potomac River Access mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2017 #22
Trump has a counterproposal jmowreader Jul 2017 #23

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
1. Is Camp David that bad? Why doesn't he go there on the weekends?
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:29 PM
Jul 2017

How many businesses is he going to ruin with this kind of crap?

Maggiemayhem

(811 posts)
4. River of Blood???
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:38 PM
Jul 2017

I am 61 and grew up 30 miles west and don't recall this. Is someone getting confused with the Battle of Antietam?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
8. First Donald Trump changed Loudoun's geography - now he's going after its history
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:41 PM
Jul 2017

Kind of surprising. He's such a stickler for accuracy.

First Donald Trump changed Loudoun’s geography—now he’s going after its history

Wednesday, Dec. 2, 2015 by Dale Peskin

In Donald Trump’s world, there’s a magic kingdom called Trump National Golf Club Washington, D.C. Although it is actually located in Sterling, the presidential candidate insists his kingdom is in Washington, about 25 miles downstream, where he covets a stately, white house on the National Mall.

Trump indulges his fantasy with a castle (clubhouse) that sits on a bluff overlooking Lowes Island in the Potomac. He’s clear-cut 400 trees along the banks of the river to provide an unobstructed view. ... Trump has spent millions turning 800 acres along the Potomac into Trumpland. Now the master marketer who’s leading the GOP presidential polls is re-interpreting history.

Unveiling his new golf course on the property earlier this year, Trump paused between the 14th hole and the 15th tee at his monument to history: a plaque designating “The River of Blood” at a section of the Potomac on Trumpland. ... “Many great American soldiers, both of the North and South, died at this spot,” the inscription reads. “The casualties were so great that the water would turn red and thus became known as ‘The River of Blood.’” ... The inscription, beneath his family crest and above Trump’s full name, concludes: “It is my great honor to have preserved this important section of the Potomac River!”



Now for the real world. Not much of what Trump says is true. ... “No. Uh-uh. No way. Nothing like that ever happened there,” said Richard Gillespie, executive director of the Mosby Heritage Area Association, a historical preservation and education group devoted to a 1,800-square-mile section of the Northern Virginia Piedmont, including the Lowes Island site. Gillespie clarified Loudoun County history for The Times-Mirror and The New York Times, which were fact-checking Trump’s claims.
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Times-Mirror reporter Hannah Dellinger contributed to this story.

Maggiemayhem

(811 posts)
12. Antietam was the bloodiest battle in American Military History
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:58 PM
Jul 2017

And it's on the opposite side of the Potomac. There were incidents in Leesburg, west of Sterling, but our whole area from Gettsyburg to Martinsburg is rich in civil war history. Thanks fo your reply.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
13. I don't think ***** cares much about the truth.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 05:02 PM
Jul 2017

I was in Hillsboro for a family get-together back in June.

Thanks for writing.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
5. That's what the Politicians in Pa do to keep the public from watching them blow-up 100s of birds
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:40 PM
Jul 2017

starving birds, small birds, someone has to THROW 20 feet in the air so a Pa. official can enjoy blasting it with his shotgun. full of LEAD SHOT some MANY POUNDS OF LEAD that falls right into YOUR PA. STATE RIVER

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. no they ENJOY killing live birds, 25-50 a day EACH. They don't care lead shot persists in land/water
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 05:42 PM
Jul 2017

for decades, wildlife eat lead shot and are poisoned, Americas kids are damaged by lead, the birds that fly away can carry disease to local songbirds and besides it is horrible animal Cruelty.

Our State government officials just do NOT care about our country.

Maggiemayhem

(811 posts)
14. Vegetation buffers are important but,
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 05:09 PM
Jul 2017

TransCanda is putting in a pipeline under the Potomac River at Hancock Maryland to hookup to a proposed Mountaineer Gas pipeline in WV, which nobody excepting the politicians want. They are waiting on US Park Service permit and have only test bored so far. We could use some help from east Potomac River landowners to stop this.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
7. Wait: I have more information, including an address where you can submit comments.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:40 PM
Jul 2017

Full disclosure: I took kayaking lessons from the Canoe Cruisers Association back in 1989 or so.

Access to Potomac River Blocked at Violettes Lock/ Seneca Breaks

The U.S. Coast Guard will block access to the Potomac River at Violettes Lock. This may make it impossible to run the GW Canal/Violettes Lock Loop.

Access to Potomac River at Violettes Lock Blocked by Trump

Security Zone; Potomac River, Montgomery County, MD

Proposed Comments on the Security Zone for Trump Golf Course

Comments on this regulation, Docket Number USCG–2017–0448, should be sent through the Federal eRulemaking Portal at http://www.regulations.gov. This is the official way to comment on this regulation. You can also send comments to your Senators and Representatives and encourage them to take an interest in the Potomac River closure. You can look up your senators and representatives at Common Cause. Just enter your address to see a list with contact information. We must take a stand against this.

We have spoken with the US Coast Guard. They said the closure of the Potomac will only occur when Trump is playing golf, or when some other high muckemuck is on the course, but that is not what the regulation says. The regulation is written so that they can close the river permanently. The USCG said they will notify us that the river is closed on VHF channel 16 (How many of you carry a marine radio in your boat?) and on their website.


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https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=USCG-2017-0448-0001

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
11. When they tried that in PA with a shooting range (keep boaters away) they couldn't do it.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:44 PM
Jul 2017

They had to place up a giant tarp (on range property) to block view from PUBLICs river.

Yonnie3

(17,444 posts)
20. I never saw the club from this viewpoint
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 09:52 AM
Jul 2017

I worked several wedding ceremonies on top of the artificial waterfall to the left of the clubhouse in this view.

All were on weekends and I recall seeing activity on the river and wishing I was out there.

To quote Twitler, "SAD!"

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
21. while i an understand the coast gaurds desire for security
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:44 AM
Jul 2017

does king donny ever think about anyone else?????????????

seems not

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
22. Given Trump's Golf Habits, The Coast Guard Plans To Cut Off Potomac River Access
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 12:20 PM
Jul 2017
Given Trump's Golf Habits, The Coast Guard Plans To Cut Off Potomac River Access
BY RACHEL SADON IN NEWS ON JUL 17, 2017 6:14 PM

Attorney and competitive kayaker Adam Van Grack was paddling up from the Seneca Breaks on the Potomac River earlier this month when a motor boat sped up to his side. Two armed men told Van Grack that he needed to get to the other side of the river—immediately.

Every time that President Donald Trump decides to play golf at Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Virginia, one of the river's most popular kayaking and canoeing spots—used by children all the way up to Olympians—is disrupted. As the Coast Guard moves to implement a permanent security zone in the area, boaters fear that it will severely curtail enjoyment of the area for hundreds of people at a time.

"Shutting down the river so Trump can play golf is impacting a lot of people, not only us recreational paddlers who are out here for fun," says Susan Sherrod, the chairman of the Canoe Cruisers Association, a club and advocacy organization in the area. Several members of the U.S. canoe and kayak team use it regularly for training and Team River Runner paddles in the zone with wounded veterans. A boating school sits on the Maryland shore, and dozens of groups come from outside of the area come to teach kayaking on this section of the river, which offers both flat water and Class 1 and 2 rapids. Motorboats, stand-up paddle boarders, and fisherman are also common sights.

But when the president or other high-ranking officials decide to play golf at Trump National, the Coast Guard sets up a temporary security zone at the request of the Secret Service that places about two miles of the river off limits. ... Since March 24, they've already done so five times. Given the president's voracious golf habit, it seems all but certain that he'll return. ... Foreseeing the need for future security zones, the Coast Guard has implemented an interim rule in the Federal Register, effective July 10, that allows for a complete shutdown of the river to any use, motorized or non-motorized, between Sharpshin Island and Violette's Lock. The Coast Guard is currently taking comments before making it a permanent rule.
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The permanent security zone proposed by the Coast Guard, above. The Canoe Cruisers Association is proposing a less restrictive area that would still allow for use of the river closer to the Maryland shore. (Courtesy of the CCA)

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
23. Trump has a counterproposal
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 04:58 PM
Jul 2017

"To prevent Evil Mexican Muslim Terrorists from tunneling under our beautiful wall and throwing huge bags of drugs in the Potomac, the Trump Administration intends to close both sides of the Potomac River from the headwaters in West Virginia to the mouth in the Chesapeake Bay.

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