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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:26 PM Jul 2017

Senate Republican plan to repeal, replace Obamacare fails to get enough votes

Source: Yahoo News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A plan to repeal and replace Obamacare that Senate Republicans have been working on for months failed to get the 60 votes needed for approval Tuesday night.

The vote was 43 in favor and 57 against. Nine Republicans voted against the measure.

The plan would have made deep cuts to Medicaid, the health insurance program for the poor, and reduced Obamacare subsidies to lower-income people to help them defray the cost of health insurance.

It was the first of many expected votes this week on repealing or replacing elements of President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-republican-plan-repeal-replace-obamacare-fails-enough-024111262.html?soc_trk=gcm&soc_src=a0d7935a-b327-11e5-bc1e-fa163e6f4a7e&.tsrc=notification-brknews

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Senate Republican plan to repeal, replace Obamacare fails to get enough votes (Original Post) Stonepounder Jul 2017 OP
Trump will go after the ones who voted against it SummerSnow Jul 2017 #1
We have to make those Senators......... SergeStorms Jul 2017 #13
Two things of note from the vote rpannier Jul 2017 #2
+1 dalton99a Jul 2017 #3
My guess is that Cotton and Corker voted no because it wasn't conservative enough..... George II Jul 2017 #6
Agree SharonClark Jul 2017 #25
What does that mean to waive the Budget Act? Is that a yes vote? nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #14
It's a Yes vote rpannier Jul 2017 #15
Okay. That doesn't sound like a yes vote for the GOP bill. That's just waiving the budget oversight Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #16
My understanding is, if you waive the Budget Act you can pass without needing 60 rpannier Jul 2017 #20
Do you have a list of senators who I should call tomorrow? BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #18
Most effective are rpannier Jul 2017 #19
Thanks! BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #22
Graham and Cassidy have their own version to offer as an amendment Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #26
Fuck McCain!!! kellytore Jul 2017 #4
This is why it failed ....................... turbinetree Jul 2017 #5
Ahem, Sanders has been a Senator for only 10 years, his senior Senator, Leahy, has been... George II Jul 2017 #7
They do George. Also, the Senate Parlimentarian warned them about this in June, still_one Jul 2017 #9
Not to take anything away from Sanders, but the Senate Parliamentarian warned them about this still_one Jul 2017 #8
I just learned about this today when Indivisible emailed me. BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #12
The ACA got 60 votes. It had a lot more support in the Senate & in the public. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #17
Part 1 of the PPACA had 60 votes that were all (D)s and (I)s BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #21
This is why Johnny2X2X Jul 2017 #10
A huge problem is that the Repub can change the rules to meet their needs whenever they want. BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #11
I think that's how they lost Graham in the vote rpannier Jul 2017 #24
This is pure CLASS WARFARE bucolic_frolic Jul 2017 #23
What gets me is that it's not even just the poor they are going after xor Jul 2017 #28
republicans will save themselves from themselves....just saying, whatever happens with healthcare, beachbum bob Jul 2017 #27

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
13. We have to make those Senators.........
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 12:55 AM
Jul 2017

think they've won a badge of honor. We should call their offices and thank them (the ones who voted NO because it's criminal, not because it doesn't fuck people over enough). Make them think they're heroes, not zeros like Trump will accuse them of being.

For those Senators who think it doesn't fuck people over enough, we should still call, pretend we're proud CONservatives, and tell them to "stand their ground".

We have to start playing as dirty as these bastards, every damned day.

rpannier

(24,336 posts)
2. Two things of note from the vote
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:43 PM
Jul 2017

1. Senator McCain voted to waive the Budget Act on a bill he "could. not. vote. for." just hours before.
2. Senator Capito voted to take Medicare away from thousands in her state. (Remember when she said she just couldn't do that West Virginians?)

The Nos on the Republican side: Senators Collins, Corker, Cotton, Graham, Heller, Lee, Moran, Murkowski, and Paul.

IBH: Cotton and Corker surprised me.
Murkowski and Collins were no votes
Heller is trying to have it both ways
Lee, Moran and Paul are jackasses
Graham likely voted no because it waived the 60 threshold

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. My guess is that Cotton and Corker voted no because it wasn't conservative enough.....
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 12:05 AM
Jul 2017

....that's why Paul has been against it from the beginning.

rpannier

(24,336 posts)
15. It's a Yes vote
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 01:07 AM
Jul 2017

The Budget Act (Budget and Accounting Act of 1921) created the Bureau of the Budget now called the OMB. The act required the head of the GAO, to "investigate, at the seat of government or elsewhere, all matters in relation to the receipt, disbursement, and application of public funds, and shall make to the President ... and to Congress ... reports [and] recommendations looking to greater economy or efficiency in public expenditures"

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. Okay. That doesn't sound like a yes vote for the GOP bill. That's just waiving the budget oversight
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 01:09 AM
Jul 2017

of it.

I don't get it. I'll try to read up on that.

rpannier

(24,336 posts)
20. My understanding is, if you waive the Budget Act you can pass without needing 60
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:20 AM
Jul 2017

That's why it takes 60 votes

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
18. Do you have a list of senators who I should call tomorrow?
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 01:30 AM
Jul 2017

Just post their name and states and I can get the phone numbers and addresses. It doesn't matter how many or which states. I want to call the ones who will be most effective. Thanks!

rpannier

(24,336 posts)
19. Most effective are
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:19 AM
Jul 2017

Heller of NV is the one most likely to not vote for the various Repub plans of the maybes
Caputo of WV is a maybe. She talked a good line leading up to the vote, but fell in line
Murkowski and Collins won't vote for anything that the Republicans have put out there. Though maybe a call to the Alaska and Maine senators might help to keep them steady Nos
I don't know what to make of Graham SC. Only thing I can think of is, he refuses to waive the 60.
There are no wobbly Democrats. As long as the vote needs 60, the Republikkans won't be able to pass anything
Voting not to waive the 60, pretty much cinched that
It's the non-60 votes needed that Collins, Murkowski and Heller are needed

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
26. Graham and Cassidy have their own version to offer as an amendment
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 08:59 AM
Jul 2017

Essentially it is kind of a "states rights" approach, leaving a lot of decisions for states to individually make regarding how insurance is offered. Graham may be holding out for a vote on his amendment before falling into line on a later one if his fails.

turbinetree

(24,713 posts)
5. This is why it failed .......................
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:56 PM
Jul 2017

Senate Parliamentarian Rules "AGE TAX" in Trumpcare violates Byrd Rule Requires 60 votes

Ok folks, Bernie Sanders is on this and he’s applying the pressure on Republicans.

Sanders has been a Senator for a long time, so he knows all the Senate rules. It’s great we have Sanders experience on our side, so we can tear apart Trumpcare with every Senate procedure available.

Senate Parliamentarian just ruled the "Age Tax" is subject to the Byrd Rule.

Big blow here for the Republicans Trumpcare wealth care plan for America.

The "Age Tax" basically charges older Americans 5 times more under Trumpcare, than what it charges younger individuals. This was a feature in their plan that the AARP was strongly against.

That’s a huge hole in Trumpcare that Republicans will have to overcome. Don't see how they do it, since it basically cripples the plan. This is not over. We must fight!

We can still kill this monstrosity, because Senate rules can cripple it so much it will never have enough votes to pass. Don't lose hope. Fight until the end!

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/25/1683918/-Senate-Parliamentarian-Rules-Age-Tax-in-Trumpcare-violates-Byrd-Rule-Requires-60-Votes

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029373467

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. Ahem, Sanders has been a Senator for only 10 years, his senior Senator, Leahy, has been...
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 12:14 AM
Jul 2017

...a Senator for 37 years, and the Democratic Senate leader, Schumer, has been a Senator for 19 years.

It's the Parliamentarian who "knows the rules" and is "on this", thank you.

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
12. I just learned about this today when Indivisible emailed me.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 12:34 AM
Jul 2017

I am learning a lot about government very fast.

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
21. Part 1 of the PPACA had 60 votes that were all (D)s and (I)s
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:28 AM
Jul 2017

(including the (D) appointed as the temp replacement for Ted Kennedy after he passed away). When Scott Brown won the special election for Kennedy's seat in January 2010 and was sworn in February 2010, "part 2" had to be done by reconciliation that originated in the House ("Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act" ), which passed 56-43.

Johnny2X2X

(19,109 posts)
10. This is why
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 12:19 AM
Jul 2017

This is why repeal only would be worse, they would never replace it. The health care markets would collapse.

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
11. A huge problem is that the Repub can change the rules to meet their needs whenever they want.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 12:32 AM
Jul 2017

How can we do anything about that!? Even the reps can't do anything if McConnell does this all the time. They never did play fair and never will. We don't stand a chance with anything as far as legitimate legislature goes because of this. What are we and our reps supposed to do? Our hands are tied and our backs are against the wall and the Repubs know it.

rpannier

(24,336 posts)
24. I think that's how they lost Graham in the vote
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 07:33 AM
Jul 2017

Murkowski and Collins are definite Nos for anything that's put out
Heller is playing both sides with his votes (IMO)
I think Graham voted against waiving the Budget Act for that reason (not needing 60 votes if the Parliamentarian says it does)
Collins, Graham and Murkowski are 3.
Some have put forth that if pressured by the right in SC he would cave
I think he's in the same boat as Murkowski. The far right in SC tried that last time (as they did with Murkowski) and ultimately it came to zilch.

bucolic_frolic

(43,259 posts)
23. This is pure CLASS WARFARE
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 07:19 AM
Jul 2017

stripping the poor of their hope to live

With no health care and enough states' rights, we'll be back to
involuntary servitude at $4 an hour

xor

(1,204 posts)
28. What gets me is that it's not even just the poor they are going after
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:26 PM
Jul 2017

A good portion of Americans are just a few paychecks away from being left high and dry. If someone loses their job that currently provides them with good health insurance, they will be screwed without the safety nets these people want to take away. It baffles me how so many can be so stupid to not realize that the average everyday person is not going to fair well if they get hit with a series of unfortunate events. Which isn't uncommon because they tend to snowball at times. We always hear stories about these situations.

And like you said, they also want to cut back wages and regulations to screw people over even more. So that means not only are they removing the safety nets, but they also want to make it harder for people to move up and stay up.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
27. republicans will save themselves from themselves....just saying, whatever happens with healthcare,
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 09:01 AM
Jul 2017

it will make trump very unhappy as well as most of the hardcore anti-obamacare ones. They have no replacement and finding out its hard to govern....

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