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riversedge

(70,283 posts)
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:36 PM Aug 2017

Blackwater founder brings up colonization in discussing ideal U.S. policy in Afghanistan

Source: thinkprogress


"Not that I'm advocating a colonization of Afghanistan..."
Annabel Thompson
Aug 8, 2017, 2:58 pm
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Prince has been advocating for the use of private military contractors in Afghanistan who would train local units, under the supervision of a federal official with fairly broad powers. This would replace the presence of U.S. troops in the country.

When asked by MSNBC’s Ali Velshi if he had ever seen such a plan work somewhere else, Prince responded, “Sure. I mean, I’ve mentioned in that article – and I say, the East India Company. Again, not that I’m advocating for a colonization of Afghanistan. Farthest from it.”

Still, he went on to point to virtues of the East India Company, saying, “We want to prevent terror sanctuary and leave. But when the East India Company operated for 200-plus years, they deployed with that model. One mentor to 20 local troops.”

Prince’s idea isn’t new — he first laid out this plan in a Wall Street Journal article in May, ....................................

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Private military contractors like Prince stand to profit immensely from the United States if their troops are used. But if the White House accepts his advice, there could be severe consequences. Private military contractors are often embroiled in scandals, and they’re not known for their accountability..................................

Read more: https://thinkprogress.org/blackwater-founder-points-to-british-colonization-in-india-as-model-for-u-s-policy-in-afghanistan/








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Blackwater founder brings up colonization in discussing ideal U.S. policy in Afghanistan (Original Post) riversedge Aug 2017 OP
Because everything else he's put his hand to has gone so swimmingly? LisaM Aug 2017 #1
This idiot actually thinks colonization of a landlocked, montainous country that has never... brush Aug 2017 #27
Thinks it....or SELLS it? LisaM Aug 2017 #29
You may have a point. He's trying to sell it to another warmongering fool. brush Aug 2017 #30
Yeah this guy is the only one in history who has figured out Afghanistan underpants Aug 2017 #2
I find Prince & Robert Mercer the two most dangerous shadow pillars of Trump & Republicans. stuffmatters Aug 2017 #6
My thought. Afghans are not known for cooperative, stable relationships Hortensis Aug 2017 #24
Evil Fuck - him and his sister - both psychopaths dbackjon Aug 2017 #3
"Private military contractors" do not have troops; they have mercenaries. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #4
Prince killed four of his mercs in Fallujah with two of them hanging from a bridge. keithbvadu2 Aug 2017 #5
East India Company Army and Navy Ptah Aug 2017 #7
I wonder how many volunteers he can find to colonize it? Ilsa Aug 2017 #8
The minerals will go to the governments atreides1 Aug 2017 #13
Dear Mr Prince: please google William Brydon. politicat Aug 2017 #9
In fact... syringis Aug 2017 #22
Prince should have been brought down for his actions under Bush. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #10
Erik Prince wants to kill two billion people. spike jones Aug 2017 #11
Mercs are scum atreides1 Aug 2017 #12
Not even the British could conquer and pacify Afghanistan. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #14
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, htuttle Aug 2017 #15
He's nuckin futz benld74 Aug 2017 #16
He clearly doesn't know his history TubbersUK Aug 2017 #17
This ass**** and that's all he is, is an ass**** making a buck off death......Devos religion turbinetree Aug 2017 #18
Heh. "The Man Who Would Be King" DinahMoeHum Aug 2017 #19
I'm sure the idea appeals to Trump .. Hieronymus Aug 2017 #20
Blackhole between the ears... syringis Aug 2017 #21
It could end up as a mess anyway nitpicker Aug 2017 #23
And his sister, Betsy DeVos , isn't "advocating for colonization" Tanuki Aug 2017 #25
Yeah. How'd that work out? C_U_L8R Aug 2017 #26
Probably the worst idea ever. No one wins in Afghanistan. We need to just leave. SweetieD Aug 2017 #28
Afghanistan: long known as the Graveyard of Empires. The Pentagon, thank gods, is not stupid... Hekate Aug 2017 #31
Yes Blackwater the SS wannabes. rockfordfile Aug 2017 #32

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
1. Because everything else he's put his hand to has gone so swimmingly?
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:37 PM
Aug 2017

How does he have an ounce of credibility after Abu Grahib?

brush

(53,833 posts)
27. This idiot actually thinks colonization of a landlocked, montainous country that has never...
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 08:13 AM
Aug 2017

been conquered is going to work in the 21st century.

What a warmongering fool. Supply lines over two continents and two oceans — easy peasy. He can draw on his great success in Iraq .

What, those other countries bordering Afghanistan are going to allow us to airlift troops (mercenaries) through their airspace, or over their roads, like they are in favor of helping us colonize another country?

This dangerous individual is trump-like in his imaginings that the world would stand by and watch such outrageousness unfold.

He needs to take his meds and ideas back to the 17th century where instant, worldwide communication didn't exist and such overt militarism could flourish without the colonizer nation becoming an instant pariah.

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
29. Thinks it....or SELLS it?
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 01:09 PM
Aug 2017

These people have just all latched on to things they can sell. Their ideology follows their sales pitch.

brush

(53,833 posts)
30. You may have a point. He's trying to sell it to another warmongering fool.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 01:20 PM
Aug 2017

God, pls let the generals intercede.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. My thought. Afghans are not known for cooperative, stable relationships
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:59 AM
Aug 2017

with invaders, whatever name they give themselves.

Ptah

(33,034 posts)
7. East India Company Army and Navy
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:13 PM
Aug 2017
East India Company Army and Navy
Main article: Presidency armies
Main article: Company rule in India

In its first century and half, the EIC used a few hundred soldiers as guards. The great expansion came after 1750, when it had 3000 regular troops. By 1763, it had 26,000; by 1778, it had 67,000. It recruited largely Indian troops, and trained them along European lines.[29] The military arm of the East India Company quickly developed to become a private corporate armed force, and was used as an instrument of geo-political power and expansion, rather than its original purpose as a guard force, and became the most powerful military force in the Indian sub-continent. As it increased in size the army was broken into the Presidency Armies of Bengal, Madras and Bombay each recruiting their own integral infantry, cavalry, artillery and horse artillery units. The navy also grew significantly, vastly expanding its fleet and although made up predominantly of heavily armed merchant vessels, called East Indiamen, it also included warships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company#East_India_Company_Army_and_Navy

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
8. I wonder how many volunteers he can find to colonize it?
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:18 PM
Aug 2017

I suppose if you tell them they can have as much in minerals as they can steal, he'll find some people with outstanding character to move there.

atreides1

(16,091 posts)
13. The minerals will go to the governments
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 08:41 PM
Aug 2017

All he has to do is wave cash under the noses of his mercs and like the whores they are, they'll go in with no reservations!!!

politicat

(9,808 posts)
9. Dear Mr Prince: please google William Brydon.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:27 PM
Aug 2017

Only Alexander the Great and Ghengis Khan ever managed to bring parts of Afghanistan into a functional larger empire. You, sir, are nowhere near their caliber.

The only thing that unites the almost 200 culture groups in the legal country called Afghanistan is an invader. (Note that NATO/US has not managed to trigger that reaction despite 16 years.) They do have long memories, and the last colonial attempt is within living memory.

syringis

(5,101 posts)
22. In fact...
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 05:56 AM
Aug 2017

...not even Ghengis khan could achieve something more or less functional. Too busy, kills, rape, destroy and on and on...

But his great great son Shahrukh Mirza, son of Timur Lang great son of Ghengis, did very brightly. He secured the Silk Road and controlled the main trade roads between east and west. Samarqand and Herat became wealthy cities with great commercial exchanges.

Sorry, it is a bit simplistic but not enough fluent to make a more elaborate reply.

I had to do a work on Afghanistan History. I remember, it took me a great deal of time but really interesting. I still have a short version, less academic, written with a humor touch. It is in french, I may post it in the right place if someone is interested.

Solly Mack

(90,779 posts)
10. Prince should have been brought down for his actions under Bush.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:52 PM
Aug 2017

But he wasn't.

So here he is...again. (Because that's how that works - allow government/government contract criminals to go free and they come back one way or another)

If you don't remember all of his various crimes, to include those of Blackwater, look them up.



spike jones

(1,686 posts)
11. Erik Prince wants to kill two billion people.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 08:11 PM
Aug 2017

He is Trump’s closet advisor. I’ll bet his mercenaries will become Trump’s personal security force. Hitler had a personal security force that became the Nazi SS, and that is not the secret service. BTW you can expect them to be "Backing-up" your local police any day now.

http://www.truthistreason.net/erik-prince-blackwater-xe-the-new-christian-crusade

"Among his personnel at Xe, Prince is known to be a high-profile Islamophobe who believes his personal mission in life is to bring about the total extinction of the Muslim population of this planet in what he has described as a global campaign of genocide or a, “Crusade.”

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
14. Not even the British could conquer and pacify Afghanistan.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 09:24 PM
Aug 2017

I am not sure if the British Empire should be our model for Afghanistan. Of course private security contractors would love the idea of being the modern East India Company. More money for them! I wish conservatives would get as mad about tax dollars going to private contractors as they do about money going to food stamps, education and Medicaid.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
15. When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 10:03 PM
Aug 2017

And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen.
-- Rudyard Kipling, 1919

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
17. He clearly doesn't know his history
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 11:10 PM
Aug 2017

The British East India Company and the infamous 1842 retreat from Kabul:

The destruction of several regiments of Indian troops during the retreat inevitably affected the morale of the East India Company's Bengal Army from which these units had been drawn. The reputation for invincibility previously enjoyed by the Company was broken. "Men remembered Kabul" commented a British officer at the outbreak of the great Bengal mutiny fifteen years later.[27]




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1842_retreat_from_Kabul

syringis

(5,101 posts)
21. Blackhole between the ears...
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 03:25 AM
Aug 2017

Mais quel imbécile congénital !!!!

Afghanistan was considered as a crossroad of the civilizations, an epicenter of great empires and a geostratégic situation (Silk Road).

From Alexander the Great to USSR, through Mongols, Persians, British Empire, all have tried to seize it and all failed . Russia and later USSR, the last ones, finally gave up after 2 centuries struggling in Afghanistan. Needless to point their perfect knowledge of the territory. Although them surrendered.

So, M Prince, how will you achieve that? By the Grace of the Holy Spirit?

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
23. It could end up as a mess anyway
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:40 AM
Aug 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company

(snip)
By 1803, at the height of its rule in India, the British East India company had a private army of about 260,000 - twice the size of the British army.[5] The company eventually came to rule large areas of India with its private armies, exercising military power and assuming administrative functions.[6] Company rule in India effectively began in 1757 and lasted until 1858, when, following the Indian Rebellion of 1857, the Government of India Act 1858 led to the British Crown's assuming direct control of India in the form of the new British Raj.
(snip)



Hekate

(90,773 posts)
31. Afghanistan: long known as the Graveyard of Empires. The Pentagon, thank gods, is not stupid...
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 01:20 PM
Aug 2017

Though the current CIC certainly is.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
32. Yes Blackwater the SS wannabes.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 02:05 PM
Aug 2017

I consider private "military" hired murders. They have no duty but to their own.

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