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Omaha Steve

(99,642 posts)
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:35 PM Aug 2017

Researchers find wreckage of lost WWII warship USS Indianapolis

Source: W Post

By Lisa Rein

Naval researchers announced Saturday that they have found the wreckage of the lost World War II cruiser USS Indianapolis on the floor of the Pacific Ocean, 72 years after the vessel sank in minutes after it was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine.

The ship was found almost 31/2 miles below the surface of the Philippine Sea, said a tweet from Microsoft co-founder and philanthropist Paul G. Allen, who led a team of civilian researchers that made the discovery.

Historians and architects from the Naval History and Heritage Command in the District had joined forces with Allen last year to revisit the tragedy.

The ship sank in 15 minutes on July 30, 1945, in the war’s final days. It took the Navy four days to realize that the vessel was missing.

FULL story at link below photo.


The USS Indianapolis in Pearl Harbor in 1937. (U.S. Navy via EPA)

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/researchers-find-wreckage-of-lost-wwii-warship-uss-indianapolis/2017/08/19/9b432b1c-8520-11e7-ab27-1a21a8e006ab_story.html?utm_term=.8b46bf281997



I met survivor Clarence Hupkaat at a screening of Jaws a few years ago

Info on the JAWS fund raiser: http://www.omahafilmevent.com/past/jaws1.htm


Special Guest Clarence Hupka a survivor of the USS Indianapolis sinking, that is mentioned in Jaws, and his wife and nephew.

Marta and I saw Jaws a week or two after we got married. It was on the largest widescreen (110 ft) in the world at the Indian Hills Theater.

You were on the Indianapolis?




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ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
2. Wow, my ex FIL was a survivor of the Indianapolis...
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:46 PM
Aug 2017

He only spoke of it once. A horrifying tale. I cannot imagine having that on your mind every day for forty years. He passed in the 80s but I'll never forget that story and how he told it with such excruciating detail.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
12. I remember thinking the same about my dad, who helped liberate concentration camps.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 11:47 AM
Aug 2017

One of his commanding officers took pictures and had copies made for many of those officers under him, so that "they'd never forget." (I've run into another person or two over the years who had these pictures in their families), My dad never talked about it---ever. I found the pictures tucked away when I was a kid. No comparison, of course, to surviving a horror such as the Indianapolis. PST was never "discovered" until my generation, but I've often wondered how many veterans of my father's generation suffered from it. I'm sure he did, considering the depression and alcoholism that claimed him AFTER he'd worked hard and raised a family. He retired in his late fifties and then, instead of enjoying life, basically just gave up.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
3. A movie was made about it.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:18 PM
Aug 2017

Perhaps it was made for TV, I don't know. I missed the first part. The movie was at the point where the sailors were abandoning ship. It ended with the unsuccessful court marshall, IIRC.

edbermac

(15,939 posts)
5. Sad part was the captain unfairly scapegoated and later committed suicide.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 12:06 AM
Aug 2017

Captain Charles B. McVay III, who had commanded Indianapolis since November 1944, survived the sinking and was among those rescued days later. In November 1945, he was court-martialed and convicted of "hazarding his ship by failing to zigzag". Several things about the court-martial were controversial. There was evidence that the Navy itself had placed the ship in harm's way, in that McVay's orders were to "zigzag at his discretion, weather permitting". Further, Mochitsura Hashimoto, commander of I-58, testified that zigzagging would have made no difference. Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz remitted McVay's sentence and restored him to active duty. McVay retired in 1949 as a rear admiral.

While many of Indianapolis's survivors said McVay was not to blame for the sinking, the families of some of the men who died thought otherwise: "Merry Christmas! Our family's holiday would be a lot merrier if you hadn't killed my son", read one piece of mail. The guilt that was placed on his shoulders mounted until he committed suicide in 1968, using his Navy-issued revolver. McVay was discovered on his front lawn with a toy sailor in one hand. He was 70 years old.

......

In 1996, sixth-grade student Hunter Scott began his research on the sinking of Indianapolis, which led to a United States Congressional investigation. In October 2000, the United States Congress passed a resolution that Captain McVay's record should state that "he is exonerated for the loss of Indianapolis." President Bill Clinton signed the resolution. The resolution noted that, although several hundred ships of the U.S. Navy were lost in combat in World War II, McVay was the only captain to be court-martialed for the sinking of his ship.

In July 2001, the United States Secretary of the Navy ordered McVay's official Navy record cleared of all wrongdoing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indianapolis_(CA-35)#Court-martial_of_Captain_McVay

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
7. Hunter Scott got the remaining aging survivors to lobby for exoneration ...
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 01:12 AM
Aug 2017

fil's two childhood/lifelong friends (yes two!) survived the sinking of the ISS Indianapolis.

Mr Kuryla and Mr McGuiggan and their wives attended my and hubs wedding. Lovely people.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. Yeah, that was beyond shameful...
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 05:48 PM
Aug 2017

The navy had a few weird cases like that in WWII... I remember another incident where some captain or whoever wanted to charge some men with wrongfully abandoning ship when an explosion literally blew them off the deck...

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
6. There's many different types of horror....
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 12:13 AM
Aug 2017

in war. I used to love listening to the stories told by WWII Veterans. Their experiences were the prime reason I never wanted anything to do with war. The horrors those men faced. How so many of them went on to live normal lives is beyond me.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
9. Absolutely fascinating. And horrible to contemplate at the same time.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 03:40 AM
Aug 2017

Thanks for the link, Steve. There are so many things I would miss if I didn't monitor this site.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
10. After I read the first portion I paused and thought to myself,
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 09:42 AM
Aug 2017

"Isn't that the ship in Jaws that was sunk and sharks attacked the survivors?". Then I read on. Thanks for posting the additional info.

11. WWII submarines were crazy
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:35 AM
Aug 2017

This is a really great find. Hearing the stories from people that were on submarines in the second World War is really harrowing. I remember hearing about a British ship that was hit with torpedoes and the survivors were attacked by a bunch of different creatures leaving lots of strange marks.

sarisataka

(18,655 posts)
15. It's deep, but not the deepest
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 06:06 PM
Aug 2017

The German Blockade Runner SS Rio Grande was found at 18900 ft about 20 years ago

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