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TexasTowelie

(112,350 posts)
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 11:53 PM Sep 2017

Houston mayor issues mandatory evacuation of west Houston homes

Source: Houston Chronicle

Mayor Sylvester Turner issued a mandatory evacuation Saturday afternoon for inundated homes in west Houston, calling on residents to leave Saturday evening if possible.

The order includes homes west of Gessner Road, east of Highway 6, south of I-10 and north of Briarforest. Turner said the order only applies to homes that are inundated with water.

About 300 people remain in the area, which includes about 4,000 homes, Turner said at a press conference Saturday.

Turner had previously asked for a voluntary evacuation there. Releases from Addicks and Barker dams will keep water in this area high for the coming days.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-mayor-issues-mandatory-evacuation-of-12169618.php

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Houston mayor issues mandatory evacuation of west Houston homes (Original Post) TexasTowelie Sep 2017 OP
Why all of the sudden now? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #1
More releases from dams! burrowowl Sep 2017 #2
Keeping waters high, not making them go higher Not Ruth Sep 2017 #3
The dams are in danger of breaking burrowowl Sep 2017 #4
What I heard is that they don't want to waste precious time and resources TexasProgresive Sep 2017 #11
Those houses are two thirds covered with water. Even moving your stuff to 2nd floor would be riversedge Sep 2017 #9
Watch the pics closely. Igel Sep 2017 #13
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #12
Because the water releases from the dams TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #6
My sister had to evacuate last week. LeftInTX Sep 2017 #18
Yeah, it makes folks crazy, but second floor units are facing mandatory evacuation too TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #19
If Houston's buses are anything like San Antonio's it will be long, drawn-out adventure LeftInTX Sep 2017 #20
It all depends on where you live TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #21
I thought that Texas did not allow *mandatory* evacuations. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #5
That was probably while... SkyDaddy7 Sep 2017 #7
If you don't know what the word means, then the answer has to be "maybe". Igel Sep 2017 #14
pic. All these people thought it was over. Well, maybe not, as I assume most knew water riversedge Sep 2017 #8
The dam gates for both are full open BumRushDaShow Sep 2017 #10
Source please KatyMan Sep 2017 #16
I have been watching ABC 13 all last week dawn to late night up until this past Friday BumRushDaShow Sep 2017 #17
If only 300 remain out of 4000 homes TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #15
There were helicopters flying west over my house all day. Demtexan Sep 2017 #22
Yup, I've heard them too TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #23
Sorry to hear that. Demtexan Sep 2017 #24

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
11. What I heard is that they don't want to waste precious time and resources
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:33 AM
Sep 2017

keeping the remainees stocked up with food and water.

riversedge

(70,273 posts)
9. Those houses are two thirds covered with water. Even moving your stuff to 2nd floor would be
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 07:14 AM
Sep 2017

fruitless base on the pic in the OP


Igel

(35,337 posts)
13. Watch the pics closely.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:35 AM
Sep 2017

The one-story houses are 2/3 under water, but the 2-story ones aren't. In that neighborhood, look to see if there's light-colored siding above brickwork to spot the 2nd floor.

It also pays to notice some of the video shots, too--there are areas where you see brown going up to the base of the house (flooded) but others where you see green around the house (unflooded) and some where you can see the grass through the floodwaters (a foot or less of water, probably). In a lot of the shots you can't see the base of the house, but the water's brown up to what you can see so they're within a couple of blocks of the bayou. When people say "waded through waist high waters" that's the highest, and that's going to be at street level.

TC was rescued last Sunday from about 5' of floodwater. When we gutted parts of TC's house last week inside in one part there'd only been 6" of water; in lower parts of the first floor there had been about 2 feet of water; the house was 6" above the surrounding ground (so the garage had 2 1/2 feet of water), but everything sloped down a few feet (so the street was at maybe 5 feet of water, maybe more). Her 2nd floor was, obviously, untouched, and in fact we left the tv on the wall and the stuff on the counters because it was untouched. She was rescued because she was without power and there no was no way to know when the waters would subside.

It's a rather complicated mixed bag.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,209 posts)
6. Because the water releases from the dams
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 02:20 AM
Sep 2017

will keep the water level high for another 2 weeks. Keep in mind it is only for homes that are still inundated.

They aren't dragging people out of their homes, but they are cutting the power starting Sunday at 7 am. I live in an apartment in the evac zone and I'm dry, but some apartments on the other side of the complex did get some flooding. I just hope they don't kill power for the whole complex.

LeftInTX

(25,504 posts)
18. My sister had to evacuate last week.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:19 PM
Sep 2017

She rents a second story apt near Eldridge and Memorial. She grabbed as much stuff as she could and is staying with a friend in Katy. She sold her home two years ago in the same area of town, south of Buffalo Bayou. Her old house had poor drainage and she got fed up with trying to fix it. I'm glad she sold it.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,209 posts)
19. Yeah, it makes folks crazy, but second floor units are facing mandatory evacuation too
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:49 PM
Sep 2017

If the first floor flooded and there is still standing water, wading through the flood waters isn't a safe option, especially on a daily basis. But my apartment is on the furthest side from the Buff Bayou flooding. I'm near Dairy Ashford and Briar Forest. Dry apartments and parking lot. There is a cop car posted on our street so people won't try to drive into the flood waters. I asked the cop if we had to evacuate if our building was dry and had power and he said we could stay.

They are letting ALL tenants out of their leases if they have to move or just want to. I'm happy here though so I'm staying. My only problem is that the exit (and entrance) are under water so I can't drive out. I'm going to take the bus to work next week. It will be an adventure!

LeftInTX

(25,504 posts)
20. If Houston's buses are anything like San Antonio's it will be long, drawn-out adventure
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:10 PM
Sep 2017

The bus near my house comes only once an hour...and requires multiple transfers to get anywhere...

TexasBushwhacker

(20,209 posts)
21. It all depends on where you live
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:43 PM
Sep 2017

The one I will be taking runs every 15 minutes, but if I lived further out in the burbs it would be less often.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,873 posts)
5. I thought that Texas did not allow *mandatory* evacuations.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 12:46 AM
Sep 2017

At least that's what a guest on some NPR show said recently.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
7. That was probably while...
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 05:06 AM
Sep 2017

President Obama was POTUS...Remember when Texas went nuts over a planned military exercise & claimed President Obama was going to invade Texas. Those were good ole days...Now those insane delusional crybabies are running the country!!

Igel

(35,337 posts)
14. If you don't know what the word means, then the answer has to be "maybe".
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:41 AM
Sep 2017

"Mandatory" in Texas, at least in Harris County, doesn't mean they're going to arrest you if you stay.

It means that they're telling you to get out. Disobey and you're ignoring some stern, well-founded advice. But there's no police violence there to back it up, no threat of arrest.

"Voluntary" means it's probably a good idea, you might be at risk, but whatever.

So we have mandatory evacuations if it's because it's mandatus or ordered. We don't if by mandatory you're saying that there's some criminal liability for non-compliance.


(It's the same with "zoning." We don't have zoning. But we have a lot of regulations that stipulate what you can build, where you can build it, and how you have to build it. Those do come with penalties for non-compliance. But there's no zoning board and the regs don't deal with the purpose of the building but the building itself. You can put up a building and use it for industry, housing, church, school, sex shop or liquor store without anybody messing with your intent. Unless there's an HOA, and HOAs here are really obnoxious. So we don't have "zoning," but we often have the consequences of zoning.)

riversedge

(70,273 posts)
8. pic. All these people thought it was over. Well, maybe not, as I assume most knew water
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 07:12 AM
Sep 2017

was being released.











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Homes just east of Beltway 8 are inundated with water from the overflowing Buffalo Bayou north of Briar Forest Dr., Saturday, September 2, 2017, in Houston. Houston mayor Sylvester Turner issued a new mandatory evacuation order Saturday for homes with water in them south of Interstate 10, north of Briar Forest, east of Highway 6 and west of Gessner Rd. As water continues to be released from the Addicks and Barker reservoirs

BumRushDaShow

(129,339 posts)
10. The dam gates for both are full open
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:05 AM
Sep 2017

just to keep up with the rivers/creeks still flowing into both reservoirs (Addicks & Barker). A number of those rivers have still not reached a crest yet and some are at crest but will remain there for some time before dropping (and their crests are already far far above their previous record flood stages).

The earliest flooding had hit the areas further north behind the reservoirs because the water had no place to go and backed up when it hit the full reservoir pools, which also began to spill over on the north end in one case.... Now the areas south of the reservoirs (some that hadn't been majorly impacted by flooding including low-lying parts of downtown) are getting that water (in some cases, for the first time), as the water north of them continues to get released, and moves through them (including into Buffalo bayou), towards the final exit point in the Gulf eventually.

KatyMan

(4,207 posts)
16. Source please
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 02:08 PM
Sep 2017

I live very close to Barker and last i heard the reservoirs are on a controlled release and one is at 80% full as of last night. No way are either dams "full open". The reservoirs will be on controlled release for several weeks.

BumRushDaShow

(129,339 posts)
17. I have been watching ABC 13 all last week dawn to late night up until this past Friday
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 05:47 PM
Sep 2017

and watched all of the briefings from Jeff Linder & Ed Russo (morning, mid-day, evening through to their last major briefing) , and Linder indicated that they were gradually moving up the release rate to a combined 16,000 cfs release for both Barker & Addicks, which if I heard him correctly, was pretty much the max for those reservoirs. This was because the levels had still been rising despite the earlier releases, and they needed to get the water out faster to avoid spillover at the southern spillway (the water was already spilling over at the northern spillway which they considered an "uncontrolled release", and was exasperating the situation of water already backed up in the communities adjacent).

The "several weeks" (prior) release rate that you are talking about had been something like 2100 cfs for each.

Because I live in a watershed myself here in Philly, and they have been doing major work to repair and upgrade it, I found myself spending quite a bit of time last week researching and following what was going on with that entire system, and had been following the USGS sites watching the gauges (some of which failed but had temps put in) -

USGS Addicks
USGS Barker

So please, I am on your side. I didn't expect myself to get so involved in learning about how the system was configured (and why) but I did. I have in-laws down there (two of whom live in Richmond and had to evacuate - fortunately to their daughter's house which was not flooded). I do truly wish you all the best.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,209 posts)
15. If only 300 remain out of 4000 homes
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 12:32 PM
Sep 2017

Then it seems most had the sense and means to get out. When the ground is saturated and mushy, underground electrical, water and sewer lines can shift.

We've already had 1 electrocution of a young man who walked through high water to rescue his sister's cat. He stepped on an exposed cable and that was it.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
22. There were helicopters flying west over my house all day.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 01:54 AM
Sep 2017

Then back east.

Big military types.

I working in the yard and you could hear them coming.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,209 posts)
23. Yup, I've heard them too
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 01:28 AM
Sep 2017

About half the buildings in my apartment complex have flooded first floor units but the rest of the complex, including my apartment, is dry. A big military vehicle came through my apartment this morning blasting a horn. We all wandered out with WTF looks on our faces. They just wanted to make sure we weren't staying in flooded units. We are in the evac zone.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
24. Sorry to hear that.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:19 AM
Sep 2017

The copters were sort of loud today.

I slept in so I missed part of the day.

Say safe.

This is why I would never have a ground floor apartment.

I guessing they are still releasing water.

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