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George II

(67,782 posts)
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:20 AM Sep 2017

Clinton: I relied on prayer, yoga and 'my fair share of Chardonnay' after 'devastating' 2016 loss

Source: CNN

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton said Thursday that she was devastated and drained after her loss to Donald Trump in 2016, but regained her strength by relying on a mix of prayer, yoga and "my fair share of Chardonnay."

Clinton, speaking at an event focused on her faith at New York's Riverside Church, said she did not think she was going to lose heading into Election Day and was entirely thrown by the defeat. To get through it, Clinton said, she turned inward, relying on her "internal resources" and the support of her family and friends.

"I relied on several tools, one of which was prayer, and I was lifted up and blessed by a lot of people who sent me prayers, sent me spiritual readings," she said. "I also had the support of my family. ... My friends rallied around and were so supportive. I did some yoga. Tried alternative nostril breathing."

And, in a light moment, Clinton added, "Yes, I had my fair share of Chardonnay."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/07/politics/hillary-clinton-book-event/index.html



Below is the Youtube video. She looks great, and she did a great job tonight.



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Clinton: I relied on prayer, yoga and 'my fair share of Chardonnay' after 'devastating' 2016 loss (Original Post) George II Sep 2017 OP
Yoga and Chardonnay I can understand. pangaia Sep 2017 #1
Try it, you may find out. George II Sep 2017 #2
"Only conscious prayer can have a result." pangaia Sep 2017 #8
You may not believe in prayer, but no reason to denigrate it. Thanks. George II Sep 2017 #9
Belief is hoping something is true. pangaia Sep 2017 #10
You could pray for more Chardonnay to be delivered to your house. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #5
Now that I can go with. pangaia Sep 2017 #7
It depends on how saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #27
men of a certain age too, plus alcohol leads delisen Sep 2017 #43
How ageist of you... llmart Sep 2017 #62
Misogynist too (not you, the person you are responding to) Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #77
Yeah, I caught that too. llmart Sep 2017 #87
Ha, ha, ha! PatSeg Sep 2017 #44
Now that's thinking! mcar Sep 2017 #71
It works like meditation radical noodle Sep 2017 #20
All I can say is I would not consider any meditation I may have done as 'quiet time.' pangaia Sep 2017 #23
But Hillary was and is. She's always been a devout Christian. My least favorite Hortensis Sep 2017 #64
Even if you're not religious... forgotmylogin Sep 2017 #40
Yes PatSeg Sep 2017 #45
Yes, perfectly expained. Doreen Sep 2017 #63
She lookin'good! sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #3
Maybe more prayers... or not. longship Sep 2017 #13
I had not uttered one prayer for her to become our victorious sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #15
I don't think she claimed God was on her side n/t radical noodle Sep 2017 #21
No, but maybe she should have. Funtatlaguy Sep 2017 #26
Well, he CLAIMS to be a christian, and since religion isn't falsifiable, neither is his claim. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #48
Maybe so, but she wears her religion as an example radical noodle Sep 2017 #68
Forced birthers Funtatlaguy Sep 2017 #69
Yep... that's what began to change things radical noodle Sep 2017 #93
You should call Sec. Clinton and voice your concerns about her prayers... LanternWaste Sep 2017 #24
I stand by the First Amendment establishment claus. longship Sep 2017 #25
Hillary lost the election. She is not a politician now. She does not require your permission. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #30
Hillary is not a politician????? longship Sep 2017 #36
As an active politician I agree with you. In a private book, you have no right to edit her. Sorry. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #37
I support an unambiguously secular public square. longship Sep 2017 #38
Well, by all means, we wouldn't ever want you to feel "uncomfortable". Frankly, I find aetheists... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #79
It's spelled "atheists". longship Sep 2017 #80
Thanks, but did I spell "insufferable" correctly? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #82
You did indeed. Now another couple of steps in the game. longship Sep 2017 #85
Hillary is selling a book, not running for office. So your personal animus or disgust at the very.. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #86
I note your religious privilege, there. longship Sep 2017 #88
Perhaps the first mind you should open is your own? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #89
My mind is open. longship Sep 2017 #90
She, obviously, is just as proud of her faith as you are your lack of it. No biggie. There is... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #91
Normally I would agree with that. longship Sep 2017 #92
Brilliant. Didn't realize how much Maher owes flamingdem Sep 2017 #96
I love that she mentions yoga DesertRat Sep 2017 #4
Yoga rocks! leftofcool Sep 2017 #11
Me too! harun Sep 2017 #31
I'm going to a wedding this weekend leftynyc Sep 2017 #41
That's a great idea! DesertRat Sep 2017 #61
Can't wait leftynyc Sep 2017 #65
Sounds great DesertRat Sep 2017 #66
I'm sorry she had to go through that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #6
god gave trump the win, prayers for hillary to win were a waste nt msongs Sep 2017 #12
She won. He cheated. C Moon Sep 2017 #14
"You know it, I know it, and the American people know it." dchill Sep 2017 #17
she knows it was stolen Skittles Sep 2017 #16
The FBI was even worse that the Russians as far as I am concerned. (eom) StevieM Sep 2017 #74
There is not enough chardonnay on this planet for me to get over it. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #18
There wouldn't be enough Wild Turkey for me to feel better. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #22
I will never NOT adore her. raven mad Sep 2017 #19
Yes FakeNoose Sep 2017 #42
We try to stand up for good. raven mad Sep 2017 #57
K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #28
Why is it that people who don't believe in prayer feel the need to denigrate it? George II Sep 2017 #29
Especially in the case of a private citizen as Hillary is now. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #32
You noticed that too? leftofcool Sep 2017 #35
Because it can be demonstrated to be unhelpful. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #46
So, you are saying that prayer and faith are unhelpful to all people? leftofcool Sep 2017 #55
I already explained why I have a negative view of it in this and other contexts. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #60
I was raised a Methodist, never felt the need to comment on other Protestant denominations.... George II Sep 2017 #76
Are you a world-renowned politician that makes religious faith a component of your public identity? AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #94
Not going to do any good, neither I nor Hillary Clinton will change from such comments. George II Sep 2017 #73
It's a comment on statistical probability, not an attempt to convert or deconvert. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #95
I don't get it either, George mcar Sep 2017 #72
Because it's a chance to pipe up that the're atheists Dreamer Tatum Sep 2017 #75
Because it makes them feel superior in some way? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #83
I'm an atheist and I don't care if she prays or not. Croney Sep 2017 #33
I'm willing to bet AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #47
I am. And so are you. Croney Sep 2017 #53
Thank you very much! George II Sep 2017 #84
K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #34
I don't like any of those things GusBob Sep 2017 #39
I went straight to the whiskey, myself Maeve Sep 2017 #49
I had a strong Manhattan and went to bed at 11:00. Didn't watch ANY news until February. George II Sep 2017 #50
I'm still not watching the News nini Sep 2017 #51
Hillary Clinton's challenges with crippling alcoholism. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #52
Yes, which probably explains her private email server. leftofcool Sep 2017 #56
Complete with photoshopped "Hillary can't yoga" pix FakeNoose Sep 2017 #59
I just read this thread, is there anything this woman can do or say and NOT take Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #78
She's real. And I love that quote. berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #54
KR Me. Sep 2017 #58
wow, she did a great job. I enjoyed every minute! Sunlei Sep 2017 #67
A woman after my own heart! mcar Sep 2017 #70
"Tried alternative nostril breathing." DK504 Sep 2017 #81
See? there't the problem... brooklynite Sep 2017 #97

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
10. Belief is hoping something is true.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:40 AM
Sep 2017

That's why I posted that quote.
Conscious prayer is not about belief.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. You could pray for more Chardonnay to be delivered to your house.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:31 AM
Sep 2017

That way, you'd have more time for the yoga.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
27. It depends on how
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 08:37 AM
Sep 2017

much you are consuming. There is a real danger of falls, fainting for women of a certain age.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
43. men of a certain age too, plus alcohol leads
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 10:15 AM
Sep 2017

to a lot of deaths in teenagers...

A real age-spectrum problem.

llmart

(15,553 posts)
62. How ageist of you...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 02:09 PM
Sep 2017

I'm the same age as Hillary and I take great offense at your comment. You do understand that ANYBODY, if they consume too much alcohol, can fall, don't you?

Jeez...some DU'ers need to rethink their preconceptions.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
64. But Hillary was and is. She's always been a devout Christian. My least favorite
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 03:01 PM
Sep 2017

thing about her, not being one myself, but she seemed to mostly draw the line where I wanted it, serving god personally, the electorate secularly in office.

Unlike the morals-destroying conflicts of the Pences of this world, who must rationalize service to the wealthy with duty to God and betrayal of the electorate, Hillary seems to believe that liberal progressive governance pretty much serves both, and the rest is personal between individual and god. I agree.

forgotmylogin

(7,531 posts)
40. Even if you're not religious...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 09:36 AM
Sep 2017

A prayer can just be a mental focusing of energy on your goals, and how you'd like to experience the world. It doesn't necessarily need to involve a deity. Similar to a mantra, or a self-help affirmation. It can just be directed at "The Universe".

A good portion of personal reality can be affected by visualization and perception and focusing on the type of energy you want surrounding you.

PatSeg

(47,602 posts)
45. Yes
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 10:29 AM
Sep 2017

Prayer is different things to different people and can bring them peace and focus during trying times.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
63. Yes, perfectly expained.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 02:52 PM
Sep 2017

Religions do not have a monopoly on prayer. Prayer is not necessarily to a deity.

sprinkleeninow

(20,263 posts)
3. She lookin'good!
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:30 AM
Sep 2017

But oh, my heart. 😳

Mmm, picturing Hillary in The Peoples' House.

Dear God, You are seeing us without, and, in need.

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. Maybe more prayers... or not.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 01:29 AM
Sep 2017

It's kind of amazing how some on both sides claim God in their corner. Nota bene: the Nazis did it too.

These results utterly falsify those claims.

I worship the Sun. But I pray to Joe Pesci. It's amazing what one can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.

Joe bless you all.


sprinkleeninow

(20,263 posts)
15. I had not uttered one prayer for her to become our victorious
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 02:33 AM
Sep 2017

winner.
I submit prayers in thanksgiving and in trouble.

The latter of which is why now.
.
My Faith is a vehicle for me. It sustains me.
Either it do or it dont for individuals.

Peace be unto you and yours.

Funtatlaguy

(10,887 posts)
26. No, but maybe she should have.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 08:33 AM
Sep 2017

Ironically, Hillary is a Christian and a longtime Methodist.
Trump is not a Christian.
And, yet, Trump carried the religious vote in huge numbers.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
48. Well, he CLAIMS to be a christian, and since religion isn't falsifiable, neither is his claim.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 10:36 AM
Sep 2017

Just the fact that he claimed it is enough for most evangelicals. They can't tell, even when you point out his un-Christian-template behaviors.

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
68. Maybe so, but she wears her religion as an example
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 04:34 PM
Sep 2017

to others instead of preaching like an evangelical hypocrite. Being a Christian is quite different than claiming God was on her side. I've never heard any real Christians say such a thing.

Trump winning the so-called Christian vote is because there is a segment of Christianity today that preaches hate instead of love.

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
93. Yep... that's what began to change things
Sat Sep 9, 2017, 12:43 AM
Sep 2017

They used abortion like a club, even though they really couldn't care less... it was a great issue to get votes.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
24. You should call Sec. Clinton and voice your concerns about her prayers...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 08:22 AM
Sep 2017

You should call Sec. Clinton and voice your concerns about her prayers. Let her know she's doing it all wrong. Maybe tell her your irrelevant Nazi anecdote as well.

Or you can rationalize not doing it with a really creative excuse.

Five'll get you ten it's the latter.

longship

(40,416 posts)
36. Hillary is not a politician?????
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 09:09 AM
Sep 2017

I love her. I gladly voted for her. But I am very uncomfortable about her, or anybody, mixing politics with religious beliefs.

Your claim that Hillary is somehow no longer a politician is summarily dismissed. There is no credible argument, or history, to support that claim.

People need to leave their religious beliefs out of the public sphere. Not every public pronouncement has to be framed in religion, whether personal or otherwise. Keep it to yourself. Then I have no problem.

longship

(40,416 posts)
38. I support an unambiguously secular public square.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 09:29 AM
Sep 2017

I don't care what religion you are, and certainly not whether you are religious or not.

But keep it to your god damn self! It has no business in the public sphere. And certainly not in any political sphere. That's the game that the GOP and their religious right minions have been playing for fucking decades.

So you see, they've kind of spoiled it all for Hillary's professed religiosity.

That's why I take such a strong stand against such pronouncements. They are first, useless. And they give comfort to those who use their religiosity to divide us.

That is why I maintain that the public square must remain secular. In a better world that might not be so.

My best to you.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,241 posts)
79. Well, by all means, we wouldn't ever want you to feel "uncomfortable". Frankly, I find aetheists...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 06:53 PM
Sep 2017

just as insufferable and intolerant as their evangelical counterparts.

longship

(40,416 posts)
85. You did indeed. Now another couple of steps in the game.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 07:29 PM
Sep 2017

First, people need to Google "establishment clause" just to make sure folks understand where I stand.

Then, Google "Christian privilege". There you will find "insufferable".

Non-believers, if anything, are the bottom of the barrel. I know. I am a lifelong atheist. I don't mind believers at all, as long as they keep it to their fucking selves. Nobody can credibly call that insufferable. Not when so many of the vast majority Christians are simultaneously screaming persecution. That is what I call the definition of insufferable.

Thank you for your responses.

My best to you.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,241 posts)
86. Hillary is selling a book, not running for office. So your personal animus or disgust at the very..
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 07:42 PM
Sep 2017

mention of prayer from a person of faith just seems a bit silly to me. There may be a good reason "Non-believers....are the bottom of the barrel".

And my best to you as well.

longship

(40,416 posts)
88. I note your religious privilege, there.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 08:07 PM
Sep 2017

See what you did?

That is what I am stating. It is what I would call being insufferable. No personal offense intended.

I am attempting to open people's minds. The default mode in humanity should not be to witness for their religion, or their "faith".

This especially in politics. And make no mistake about it, Hillary Clinton is a politician. To say otherwise is delusion. I stand by my statement that Religion and politics are a toxic mix. I truly wish that it wasn't so.

As always,

longship

(40,416 posts)
90. My mind is open.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 08:28 PM
Sep 2017

I have no problem with believers of any kind.

Just keep it to yourselves. Keep it out of government and politics. That's what the establishment claus is all about, to keep government and our laws on a secular basis.

These principles have been upheld by the highest courts in the land. What is the matter with that, that people just do not understand it?

Let's start with something simple: The Lemon Test, the basis of just about all establishment clause cases since Lemon v Kurtzman was decided.

1. The statute must have a secular legislative purpose. (Also known as the Purpose Prong)

2. The principal or primary effect of the statute must not advance nor inhibit religion. (Also known as the Effect Prong)

3. The statute must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion. (Also known as the Entanglement Prong)

Factors.
1. Character and purpose of institution benefited.

2. Nature of aid the state provides.

3. Resulting relationship between government and religious authority.


I take these matters very seriously, as should everybody.

I don't give a damn what Hillary Clinton, or anybody else, believes. I do care a lot about how they act. In my humble opinion using ones religious beliefs in any political sphere is despicable. It should not be done. The public square must be kept secular. That was also what both Jefferson and Madison fervently thought.

I have no other problems with Secy Clinton. I gladly supported and voted for her. But I am uncomfortable with this part of her character, her seeming need to promote her religious beliefs. Why?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,241 posts)
91. She, obviously, is just as proud of her faith as you are your lack of it. No biggie. There is...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 08:45 PM
Sep 2017

nothing in our Constitution that forbids one from "promoting" their religion, you just can't legislate around it. Many Democrats have found ways around their personal religious beliefs, and the work they do for their constituents. And, again, your "comfort" re: religion or the lack thereof, is not Sec Clinton's issue, that's all on you.

longship

(40,416 posts)
92. Normally I would agree with that.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 09:01 PM
Sep 2017

And I am tempted to give Hillary a pass here.

However, since the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition, beginning in the 1970's, have attempted to highjack the US political system for religious purpose, I am increasingly sensitive to people who would use their religiosity for some political gain.

In order to not appear hypocritical on the issue I have drawn a firm line. If you are in politics, leave your faith at home. Do not bother us with your professed faith, or lack thereof.

I wish Hillary would do so as well. It has no place in the public/political sphere. Such pronouncements in context with legislative actions fail the first prong of the Lemon Test, a secular purpose. The failure of any one prong is fatal. Courts have consistently upheld such failures.

So here I have to stand. I felt the same way with Jimmy Carter's professed religiosity. It gives comfort to the lunatics.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
96. Brilliant. Didn't realize how much Maher owes
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:19 AM
Sep 2017

to Carlin.

Agree completely about separation of any kind of religious fantasy and politics in the public sphere.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
4. I love that she mentions yoga
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:31 AM
Sep 2017

Last edited Fri Sep 8, 2017, 01:42 AM - Edit history (1)

and alternative nostril breathing. Both have helped me tremendously with stress and anxiety.

https://www.doyogawithme.com/content/alternate-nostril-breath

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. I'm going to a wedding this weekend
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 09:45 AM
Sep 2017

and one of the "activities" they've set up for all us coming from out of town (which is just about everyone attending) is a yoga class around 3 hours before the wedding ( so we have time to get ready for the black tie affair). They needed to get a bigger room because so many of us wanted to do this.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
61. That's a great idea!
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 01:51 PM
Sep 2017

I like the way that couple thinks! Have a wonderful time at the wedding and the class.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
65. Can't wait
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 03:19 PM
Sep 2017

I was just texting with the soon to be bride and she's nervous - yoga will be perfect for her. The last 5 times this side of the family all got together was for funerals - something to celebrate will be an awesome change.

dchill

(38,539 posts)
17. "You know it, I know it, and the American people know it."
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 02:47 AM
Sep 2017

- Bob Dole. And Dan Aykroyd as Bob Dole.

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
16. she knows it was stolen
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 02:44 AM
Sep 2017

bastards "won" with the help of the media, Russia, the FBI and Facebook, all Trump-humpers

BigmanPigman

(51,630 posts)
22. There wouldn't be enough Wild Turkey for me to feel better.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 04:49 AM
Sep 2017

A couple hundred Xanax wouldn't hurt either.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
19. I will never NOT adore her.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 02:59 AM
Sep 2017

Courage. Intelligence. Wit. Humor. Understanding. Compassion. Empathy.

I know all about the 7 Deadly Sins. http://freedomoffaith.tripod.com/id11.html

She's come close to hitting all the 7 Contrary Virtues! We'll have to let the modern "temperance" slide, but I promise to buy a GOOD Chardonnay if she visits.

FakeNoose

(32,767 posts)
42. Yes
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 10:12 AM
Sep 2017

I became a Democrat in 2008 just so I could vote for Hillary.

After many years as an independent I finally realized that I will never in my life, ever, vote for a Republican, at least not for president. So why remain independent? I really really wanted to vote for Hillary in the primary, and I joined the Democratic Party. I have no regrets!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
46. Because it can be demonstrated to be unhelpful.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 10:32 AM
Sep 2017

Personally it's just disappointing to me that someone as intelligent has Hillary Clinton still relies upon religion in any sense. I wouldn't call it a character flaw or anything, but it's disappointing that it's a thing.

The STEP project[edit]
Harvard professor Herbert Benson performed a "Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP)" in 2006.[39] The STEP, commonly called the "Templeton Foundation prayer study" or "Great Prayer Experiment", used 1,802 coronary artery bypass surgery patients at six hospitals. Using double-blind protocols, patients were randomized into three groups, individual prayer receptiveness was not measured. The members of the experimental and control Groups 1 and 2 were informed they might or might not receive prayers, and only Group 1 received prayers. Group 3, which served as a test for possible psychosomatic effects, was informed they would receive prayers and subsequently did. Unlike some other studies, STEP attempted to standardize the prayer method. Only first names and last initial for patients were provided and no photographs were supplied. The congregations of three Christian churches who prayed for the patients "were allowed to pray in their own manner, but they were instructed to include the following phrase in their prayers: "for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications".[40] Some participants complained that this mechanical way they were told to pray as part of the experiment was unusual for them. Complications of surgery occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1), 51 percent of those who did not receive it (Group 2), and 59 percent of patients who knew they would receive prayers (Group 3). There were no statistically significant differences in major complications or thirty-day mortality. In The God Delusion, evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins wrote, "It seems more probable that those patients who knew they were being prayed for suffered additional stress in consequence: performance anxiety', as the experimenters put it. Dr Charles Bethea, one of the researchers, said, "It may have made them uncertain, wondering am I so sick they had to call in their prayer team?'"[41] Study co-author Jeffery Dusek stated that: "Each study builds on others, and STEP advanced the design beyond what had been previously done. The findings, however, could well be due to the study limitations."[42] Team leader Benson stated that STEP was not the last word on the effects of intercessory prayer and that questions raised by the study will require additional answers


Atheists are often told 'i'll pray for you' (I've gotten it probably hundreds of times in my life, sometimes with the same tone someone from the south might say 'bless your heart') in a somewhat weaponized social context. So we tend to have a somewhat negative view of the concept. (A tendency, not a universality. Not all of us.)

When someone tells me they're praying, for themselves or others, especially around these recent disasters, like the fires and hurricanes this is the image that comes to my mind:
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That negative connotation will of course bleed over into any usage of the term 'prayer'.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
55. So, you are saying that prayer and faith are unhelpful to all people?
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 11:12 AM
Sep 2017

Why do you care whether or not Hillary prays? She is a private citizen so why would you be disappointed? I am not Christian and yet I don't care who prays and who does not. I guess I don't understand the need to denigrate those who have faith in something.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
60. I already explained why I have a negative view of it in this and other contexts.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 11:34 AM
Sep 2017

Not sure how to further arrange the words to clarify it.


Curious though that you'd interpret that as denigrating her. It's almost like you're arguing against someone else's argument, rather than what I said.

George II

(67,782 posts)
76. I was raised a Methodist, never felt the need to comment on other Protestant denominations....
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 06:39 PM
Sep 2017

...or those who don't believe. That's their business.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
94. Are you a world-renowned politician that makes religious faith a component of your public identity?
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 01:52 AM
Sep 2017

I'm not either.

mcar

(42,375 posts)
72. I don't get it either, George
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 05:48 PM
Sep 2017

HRC has always been open about her faith. She has always lived by the tenets, too, especially WRT service to others.

I am not very religious but I am not an atheist. However, I respect those who are. Is it really too much to ask for similar respect?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
75. Because it's a chance to pipe up that the're atheists
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 06:36 PM
Sep 2017

because atheists tend to be very insecure and demand that everyone know their point of view.

Croney

(4,670 posts)
33. I'm an atheist and I don't care if she prays or not.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 09:00 AM
Sep 2017

I can't make everybody think as I do. She is qualified to be POTUS. I am not.

nini

(16,672 posts)
51. I'm still not watching the News
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 10:49 AM
Sep 2017

Except for the weather channel etc. now.

I just can't stomach it.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
78. I just read this thread, is there anything this woman can do or say and NOT take
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 06:50 PM
Sep 2017

heaps of shit over it?

Wow

You know why that is, dont you? (Using you to respond, not picking on you)., Hillary is a strong, smart woman, which bothers a whole bunch of folk.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
81. "Tried alternative nostril breathing."
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 06:59 PM
Sep 2017

LOL...nostril breathing and an oaky chardonnay. Don't forget the cat videos.

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