Clinton: I relied on prayer, yoga and 'my fair share of Chardonnay' after 'devastating' 2016 loss
Source: CNN
New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton said Thursday that she was devastated and drained after her loss to Donald Trump in 2016, but regained her strength by relying on a mix of prayer, yoga and "my fair share of Chardonnay."
Clinton, speaking at an event focused on her faith at New York's Riverside Church, said she did not think she was going to lose heading into Election Day and was entirely thrown by the defeat. To get through it, Clinton said, she turned inward, relying on her "internal resources" and the support of her family and friends.
"I relied on several tools, one of which was prayer, and I was lifted up and blessed by a lot of people who sent me prayers, sent me spiritual readings," she said. "I also had the support of my family. ... My friends rallied around and were so supportive. I did some yoga. Tried alternative nostril breathing."
And, in a light moment, Clinton added, "Yes, I had my fair share of Chardonnay."
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/07/politics/hillary-clinton-book-event/index.html
Below is the Youtube video. She looks great, and she did a great job tonight.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)But, prayer?
What does that do?
George II
(67,782 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)That's why I posted that quote.
Conscious prayer is not about belief.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)That way, you'd have more time for the yoga.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)much you are consuming. There is a real danger of falls, fainting for women of a certain age.
delisen
(6,044 posts)to a lot of deaths in teenagers...
A real age-spectrum problem.
llmart
(15,553 posts)I'm the same age as Hillary and I take great offense at your comment. You do understand that ANYBODY, if they consume too much alcohol, can fall, don't you?
Jeez...some DU'ers need to rethink their preconceptions.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)llmart
(15,553 posts)PatSeg
(47,602 posts)mcar
(42,375 posts)Time for tai chi, too.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)It's quiet time. Doesn't mean she was praying for something... just praying.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)thing about her, not being one myself, but she seemed to mostly draw the line where I wanted it, serving god personally, the electorate secularly in office.
Unlike the morals-destroying conflicts of the Pences of this world, who must rationalize service to the wealthy with duty to God and betrayal of the electorate, Hillary seems to believe that liberal progressive governance pretty much serves both, and the rest is personal between individual and god. I agree.
forgotmylogin
(7,531 posts)A prayer can just be a mental focusing of energy on your goals, and how you'd like to experience the world. It doesn't necessarily need to involve a deity. Similar to a mantra, or a self-help affirmation. It can just be directed at "The Universe".
A good portion of personal reality can be affected by visualization and perception and focusing on the type of energy you want surrounding you.
Prayer is different things to different people and can bring them peace and focus during trying times.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Religions do not have a monopoly on prayer. Prayer is not necessarily to a deity.
sprinkleeninow
(20,263 posts)But oh, my heart. 😳
Mmm, picturing Hillary in The Peoples' House.
Dear God, You are seeing us without, and, in need.
longship
(40,416 posts)It's kind of amazing how some on both sides claim God in their corner. Nota bene: the Nazis did it too.
These results utterly falsify those claims.
I worship the Sun. But I pray to Joe Pesci. It's amazing what one can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.
Joe bless you all.
sprinkleeninow
(20,263 posts)winner.
I submit prayers in thanksgiving and in trouble.
The latter of which is why now.
.
My Faith is a vehicle for me. It sustains me.
Either it do or it dont for individuals.
Peace be unto you and yours.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,887 posts)Ironically, Hillary is a Christian and a longtime Methodist.
Trump is not a Christian.
And, yet, Trump carried the religious vote in huge numbers.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Just the fact that he claimed it is enough for most evangelicals. They can't tell, even when you point out his un-Christian-template behaviors.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)to others instead of preaching like an evangelical hypocrite. Being a Christian is quite different than claiming God was on her side. I've never heard any real Christians say such a thing.
Trump winning the so-called Christian vote is because there is a segment of Christianity today that preaches hate instead of love.
Funtatlaguy
(10,887 posts)Plus abortion....many are single issue voters
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)They used abortion like a club, even though they really couldn't care less... it was a great issue to get votes.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You should call Sec. Clinton and voice your concerns about her prayers. Let her know she's doing it all wrong. Maybe tell her your irrelevant Nazi anecdote as well.
Or you can rationalize not doing it with a really creative excuse.
Five'll get you ten it's the latter.
longship
(40,416 posts)Religion and politics are a toxic mix. Always!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)I love her. I gladly voted for her. But I am very uncomfortable about her, or anybody, mixing politics with religious beliefs.
Your claim that Hillary is somehow no longer a politician is summarily dismissed. There is no credible argument, or history, to support that claim.
People need to leave their religious beliefs out of the public sphere. Not every public pronouncement has to be framed in religion, whether personal or otherwise. Keep it to yourself. Then I have no problem.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)I don't care what religion you are, and certainly not whether you are religious or not.
But keep it to your god damn self! It has no business in the public sphere. And certainly not in any political sphere. That's the game that the GOP and their religious right minions have been playing for fucking decades.
So you see, they've kind of spoiled it all for Hillary's professed religiosity.
That's why I take such a strong stand against such pronouncements. They are first, useless. And they give comfort to those who use their religiosity to divide us.
That is why I maintain that the public square must remain secular. In a better world that might not be so.
My best to you.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)just as insufferable and intolerant as their evangelical counterparts.
longship
(40,416 posts)Drops mike.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)First, people need to Google "establishment clause" just to make sure folks understand where I stand.
Then, Google "Christian privilege". There you will find "insufferable".
Non-believers, if anything, are the bottom of the barrel. I know. I am a lifelong atheist. I don't mind believers at all, as long as they keep it to their fucking selves. Nobody can credibly call that insufferable. Not when so many of the vast majority Christians are simultaneously screaming persecution. That is what I call the definition of insufferable.
Thank you for your responses.
My best to you.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)mention of prayer from a person of faith just seems a bit silly to me. There may be a good reason "Non-believers....are the bottom of the barrel".
And my best to you as well.
longship
(40,416 posts)See what you did?
That is what I am stating. It is what I would call being insufferable. No personal offense intended.
I am attempting to open people's minds. The default mode in humanity should not be to witness for their religion, or their "faith".
This especially in politics. And make no mistake about it, Hillary Clinton is a politician. To say otherwise is delusion. I stand by my statement that Religion and politics are a toxic mix. I truly wish that it wasn't so.
As always,
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)I have no problem with believers of any kind.
Just keep it to yourselves. Keep it out of government and politics. That's what the establishment claus is all about, to keep government and our laws on a secular basis.
These principles have been upheld by the highest courts in the land. What is the matter with that, that people just do not understand it?
Let's start with something simple: The Lemon Test, the basis of just about all establishment clause cases since Lemon v Kurtzman was decided.
1. The statute must have a secular legislative purpose. (Also known as the Purpose Prong)
2. The principal or primary effect of the statute must not advance nor inhibit religion. (Also known as the Effect Prong)
3. The statute must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion. (Also known as the Entanglement Prong)
Factors.
1. Character and purpose of institution benefited.
2. Nature of aid the state provides.
3. Resulting relationship between government and religious authority.
I take these matters very seriously, as should everybody.
I don't give a damn what Hillary Clinton, or anybody else, believes. I do care a lot about how they act. In my humble opinion using ones religious beliefs in any political sphere is despicable. It should not be done. The public square must be kept secular. That was also what both Jefferson and Madison fervently thought.
I have no other problems with Secy Clinton. I gladly supported and voted for her. But I am uncomfortable with this part of her character, her seeming need to promote her religious beliefs. Why?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)nothing in our Constitution that forbids one from "promoting" their religion, you just can't legislate around it. Many Democrats have found ways around their personal religious beliefs, and the work they do for their constituents. And, again, your "comfort" re: religion or the lack thereof, is not Sec Clinton's issue, that's all on you.
longship
(40,416 posts)And I am tempted to give Hillary a pass here.
However, since the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition, beginning in the 1970's, have attempted to highjack the US political system for religious purpose, I am increasingly sensitive to people who would use their religiosity for some political gain.
In order to not appear hypocritical on the issue I have drawn a firm line. If you are in politics, leave your faith at home. Do not bother us with your professed faith, or lack thereof.
I wish Hillary would do so as well. It has no place in the public/political sphere. Such pronouncements in context with legislative actions fail the first prong of the Lemon Test, a secular purpose. The failure of any one prong is fatal. Courts have consistently upheld such failures.
So here I have to stand. I felt the same way with Jimmy Carter's professed religiosity. It gives comfort to the lunatics.
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)to Carlin.
Agree completely about separation of any kind of religious fantasy and politics in the public sphere.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 8, 2017, 01:42 AM - Edit history (1)
and alternative nostril breathing. Both have helped me tremendously with stress and anxiety.
https://www.doyogawithme.com/content/alternate-nostril-breath
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and one of the "activities" they've set up for all us coming from out of town (which is just about everyone attending) is a yoga class around 3 hours before the wedding ( so we have time to get ready for the black tie affair). They needed to get a bigger room because so many of us wanted to do this.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I like the way that couple thinks! Have a wonderful time at the wedding and the class.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I was just texting with the soon to be bride and she's nervous - yoga will be perfect for her. The last 5 times this side of the family all got together was for funerals - something to celebrate will be an awesome change.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She deserved to win.
msongs
(67,443 posts)C Moon
(12,221 posts)dchill
(38,539 posts)- Bob Dole. And Dan Aykroyd as Bob Dole.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)bastards "won" with the help of the media, Russia, the FBI and Facebook, all Trump-humpers
StevieM
(10,500 posts)SunSeeker
(51,715 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,630 posts)A couple hundred Xanax wouldn't hurt either.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Courage. Intelligence. Wit. Humor. Understanding. Compassion. Empathy.
I know all about the 7 Deadly Sins. http://freedomoffaith.tripod.com/id11.html
She's come close to hitting all the 7 Contrary Virtues! We'll have to let the modern "temperance" slide, but I promise to buy a GOOD Chardonnay if she visits.
I became a Democrat in 2008 just so I could vote for Hillary.
After many years as an independent I finally realized that I will never in my life, ever, vote for a Republican, at least not for president. So why remain independent? I really really wanted to vote for Hillary in the primary, and I joined the Democratic Party. I have no regrets!
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Others stand up for money, power, and dumb.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Personally it's just disappointing to me that someone as intelligent has Hillary Clinton still relies upon religion in any sense. I wouldn't call it a character flaw or anything, but it's disappointing that it's a thing.
Harvard professor Herbert Benson performed a "Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP)" in 2006.[39] The STEP, commonly called the "Templeton Foundation prayer study" or "Great Prayer Experiment", used 1,802 coronary artery bypass surgery patients at six hospitals. Using double-blind protocols, patients were randomized into three groups, individual prayer receptiveness was not measured. The members of the experimental and control Groups 1 and 2 were informed they might or might not receive prayers, and only Group 1 received prayers. Group 3, which served as a test for possible psychosomatic effects, was informed they would receive prayers and subsequently did. Unlike some other studies, STEP attempted to standardize the prayer method. Only first names and last initial for patients were provided and no photographs were supplied. The congregations of three Christian churches who prayed for the patients "were allowed to pray in their own manner, but they were instructed to include the following phrase in their prayers: "for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications".[40] Some participants complained that this mechanical way they were told to pray as part of the experiment was unusual for them. Complications of surgery occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1), 51 percent of those who did not receive it (Group 2), and 59 percent of patients who knew they would receive prayers (Group 3). There were no statistically significant differences in major complications or thirty-day mortality. In The God Delusion, evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins wrote, "It seems more probable that those patients who knew they were being prayed for suffered additional stress in consequence: performance anxiety', as the experimenters put it. Dr Charles Bethea, one of the researchers, said, "It may have made them uncertain, wondering am I so sick they had to call in their prayer team?'"[41] Study co-author Jeffery Dusek stated that: "Each study builds on others, and STEP advanced the design beyond what had been previously done. The findings, however, could well be due to the study limitations."[42] Team leader Benson stated that STEP was not the last word on the effects of intercessory prayer and that questions raised by the study will require additional answers
Atheists are often told 'i'll pray for you' (I've gotten it probably hundreds of times in my life, sometimes with the same tone someone from the south might say 'bless your heart') in a somewhat weaponized social context. So we tend to have a somewhat negative view of the concept. (A tendency, not a universality. Not all of us.)
When someone tells me they're praying, for themselves or others, especially around these recent disasters, like the fires and hurricanes this is the image that comes to my mind:
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That negative connotation will of course bleed over into any usage of the term 'prayer'.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Why do you care whether or not Hillary prays? She is a private citizen so why would you be disappointed? I am not Christian and yet I don't care who prays and who does not. I guess I don't understand the need to denigrate those who have faith in something.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Not sure how to further arrange the words to clarify it.
Curious though that you'd interpret that as denigrating her. It's almost like you're arguing against someone else's argument, rather than what I said.
George II
(67,782 posts)...or those who don't believe. That's their business.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I'm not either.
George II
(67,782 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)mcar
(42,375 posts)HRC has always been open about her faith. She has always lived by the tenets, too, especially WRT service to others.
I am not very religious but I am not an atheist. However, I respect those who are. Is it really too much to ask for similar respect?
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)because atheists tend to be very insecure and demand that everyone know their point of view.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)Croney
(4,670 posts)I can't make everybody think as I do. She is qualified to be POTUS. I am not.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)you're more qualified than the current POTUS.
Croney
(4,670 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,567 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)But I love the thoughts
Maeve
(42,288 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)Except for the weather channel etc. now.
I just can't stomach it.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Coming up on Fox and Friends.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)FakeNoose
(32,767 posts)It's sure to be shared all around Facebook too.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)heaps of shit over it?
Wow
You know why that is, dont you? (Using you to respond, not picking on you)., Hillary is a strong, smart woman, which bothers a whole bunch of folk.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)mcar
(42,375 posts)Yoga and Chardonnay. Yum. Knew I liked her.
DK504
(3,847 posts)LOL...nostril breathing and an oaky chardonnay. Don't forget the cat videos.
brooklynite
(94,737 posts)New agey stuff and elitest white wine...