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JI7

(89,250 posts)
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:32 AM Sep 2017

Scientists may have found a way to diagnose CTE in football players while they're still alive

Source: la times

On Tuesday, the Boston-based researchers who have pioneered the identification of CTE in contact-sport athletes said they may have found a way to recognize the degenerative brain disease in people while they’re still alive.

Researchers from Boston University’s School of Medicine have identified an inflammatory protein circulating in spinal fluid that may reflect the presence of CTE in patients’ brains. That telltale protein, called CLL11, appears likely to make its way into the bloodstream, where it might readily reveal the presence of a degenerative process akin to premature aging in the brain.

“This is just the beginning,” said Dr. Ann McKee, co-author of a study published Tuesday in the journal PLOS One. “We need to find it at the earliest stages.”

An important aim of McKee’s group is to devise a blood test that could alert a young athlete to avoid further collisions, or warn a retired athlete to take steps that could slow a gathering degenerative process, McKee said. But researchers will need to surmount many more hurdles before that’s possible, she added.

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Read more: http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-cte-biomarker-football-20170926-story.html

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Scientists may have found a way to diagnose CTE in football players while they're still alive (Original Post) JI7 Sep 2017 OP
I love football but its days are #ed Botany Sep 2017 #1
More likely going forward the teams and NFL will probably just require new players to sign waivers cstanleytech Sep 2017 #2
That will not fly @ the college, high school, middle school, and pee wee levels Botany Sep 2017 #3
Oh I would not say never as there are almost always going to be cstanleytech Sep 2017 #4
but what if they find a test which shows the damage at current levels ? JI7 Sep 2017 #5
On a side note on Aaron Hernandez. During his trial there were claims that he had CentralMass Sep 2017 #6
Would probably lead to little change since the courts would likely rule in favor of the schools cstanleytech Sep 2017 #18
But that's only a factor if the brain injury manifests at those levels Orrex Sep 2017 #13
And NDA's to bar them from talking about their football careers as a causative factor (nt) Orrex Sep 2017 #14
I like watching football. I played in high school. C Moon Sep 2017 #8
This is going to sound cold... flotsam Sep 2017 #7
My brother has never been a professional athlete (but not for a lack of trying) Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #12
Football is not the only sport or profession with head injuries bucolic_frolic Sep 2017 #15
Do you know just how many players there are just in Texas High School football? Dustlawyer Sep 2017 #16
Sounds much more biased rather than cold as you include only pro-athletes in your set. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #20
If the NFL and xxqqqzme Sep 2017 #9
Football is almost worshipped thbobby Sep 2017 #10
I would really like to see my brother tested for CTE if it becomes practical Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #11
Michelle Obama's Alma mater cannot field a team. AngryAmish Sep 2017 #17
The focus is on football players moda253 Sep 2017 #19

Botany

(70,508 posts)
1. I love football but its days are #ed
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:36 AM
Sep 2017

Only a matter of time before public schools have to ban football. Helmets do not change physics
and brain morphology.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
2. More likely going forward the teams and NFL will probably just require new players to sign waivers
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:58 AM
Sep 2017

with the players acknowledging and accepting the risks as part of the job and the same of the schools.

Botany

(70,508 posts)
3. That will not fly @ the college, high school, middle school, and pee wee levels
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 01:30 AM
Sep 2017

Public schools will not be able to spend $, time, and effort on a product that
causes brain damage.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
4. Oh I would not say never as there are almost always going to be
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 01:36 AM
Sep 2017

some parents that will agree to those types of waivers so that their kid can play.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
5. but what if they find a test which shows the damage at current levels ?
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 01:48 AM
Sep 2017

right now they only find out once the players die .

it might be different if they are able to see there is already damage. and as shown with aaron hernandez the damage could be similar to what they see in people who have died at an old age.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
6. On a side note on Aaron Hernandez. During his trial there were claims that he had
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 02:03 AM
Sep 2017

Last edited Wed Sep 27, 2017, 03:24 AM - Edit history (1)

been using PCP (angel dust) for about a year.I wonder thst if in his casd this was a factor in the brain damage that they found

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
18. Would probably lead to little change since the courts would likely rule in favor of the schools
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:28 AM
Sep 2017

first because parents have to sign papers anyway to allow their kids to play on teams and second because such a test would be new and not something the schools would have had access to in the past.
Granted some schools might abandon football still but most of them would probably continue it.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
13. But that's only a factor if the brain injury manifests at those levels
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 06:37 AM
Sep 2017

The effects of CTE are in many ways cumulative and degenerative over a period of years. If a player demonstrates it in his late 20s or early 30s, then the college, high school, middle school & pee wee levels will claim innocence.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
8. I like watching football. I played in high school.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 02:45 AM
Sep 2017

I quit because I was tired of being hurt. One game I had my knee taken out on a kickoff return by a player who hit me from behind (it was called clipping back then, I'm not sure what it's called now): my knee went in an L-shape when he hit me. I thought I was going to lose my stomach when I felt it. I believe the issues I am now having with the same knee are related to that hit.

Every year I watch the sport, I cringe more and more watching the hits. I don't see how they get up and do it again and again.
At my gym, there was a guy who had played college football. He made it to the pro's, but quit because of his knees.
When he was at the gym, he would hold the walls as he walked because his knees were so messed up.
It's a really nasty sport, I agree; and if it were to go away, I would understand.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
7. This is going to sound cold...
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 02:32 AM
Sep 2017

But if you take all NFL players-active or retired-you are talking a universe of probably less than 5000-10,000 players and medical research money is being poured into early diagnoses. I can't help wondering if there aren't better places for this funding...

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
12. My brother has never been a professional athlete (but not for a lack of trying)
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 04:15 AM
Sep 2017

but I couldn't tell you off the top of my head how many concussions he has had, but by his early 20's he was really struggling with life.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
16. Do you know just how many players there are just in Texas High School football?
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:56 AM
Sep 2017

How about in Texas Junior collages, colleges and universities. Now bring all of that out nationwide. A very worthy subject of study indeed!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. Sounds much more biased rather than cold as you include only pro-athletes in your set.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:49 AM
Sep 2017

Sounds much more biased rather than cold as you include only pro-athletes in your set.

You fail to include the 1.1 million high school players, and 15,000 college players, in addition to middle school and pee-wee leagues. As per the CDC, An estimated 1.6 - 3.8 million sports and recreation-related concussions occur in the United States each year.

You also fail to account for the 1.5 million Americans who suffer from non-sports related traumatic brain injury every year.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
9. If the NFL and
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 03:02 AM
Sep 2017

owners were smart, they would set up some brain trauma foundation and start supporting it in a very big(PR) way. I mean thise owners have made more that a few nickles off the guys whose brains are scrambled.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
10. Football is almost worshipped
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 03:16 AM
Sep 2017

I grew up in small-town Texas in 1970's. Football was sacred. "Pep rally" attendance was mandatory. Any guy playing any sport was required to play football. The football players were treated as gods.

I played for part of my freshman year. Coaches would call us sissies if we did not tackle head first and drive the other player into the ground. I refused to tackle with my head first and was ridiculed and did not get to play much. Even as a kid in the 1970's, the idea of repeatedly striking with my head seemed stupid. We knew the brain is 90% water by weight.

It is the same for kids today. Football players are idolized. That is so important to young men. The hypocrisy of saying smoking pot causes brain damage and repeated blows to the head teaches leadership and how to work as a team is the height of stupidity.

Youth playing football is foolish. Schools that promote an atmosphere that football teaches them to be men and makes girls adore them is evil. And it is routinely done, at least in North Texas.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
11. I would really like to see my brother tested for CTE if it becomes practical
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 04:14 AM
Sep 2017

He had repeated concussions as a hockey player and he has just been a bit of mess his entire adult life.

 

moda253

(615 posts)
19. The focus is on football players
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:36 AM
Sep 2017

But many doctors will tell you that they dimply do not know enough about this in general population today. Football is the focus for obvious reasons but we still don't know why some players get it some don't and what other contributing factors may be at play, and I think that is an incredibly important thing to find out. There needs to be a lot more research and funding around this and not limiting the scope to a single sport.

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