You don't even need to understand Catalan to get the drift of it;

Comunicat del Partit Nacionalista Català.

Repetim: cal expulsar gent de Catalunya

El passat cap de setmana es van produir a Barcelona diversos incidents acabats amb apunyalaments, protagonitzats per bandes de sudamericans, a la sortida d’una discoteca, mentre que al carrer Bailén un home rebia diverses ganivetades al coll per ser robat.. A Granollers, a la comarca del Vallès, una dona de 41 anys era ingressada a l’hospital a fractura al crani després que dos joves “d’origen magrebí”, amb nombrosos antecedents, l’ataquessin per robar-li el telèfon mòbil.

Aquests fets s’han comentat a diversos fòrums independentistes, com el Racó Català, i sovint els participants diuen que caldria expulsar de Catalunya aquesta gent, a la vegada que lamenten que cap partit ho digui. Doncs el PNAC ja fa temps que ho diu, i per si encara algú no ho ha sentit, ho repetim una vegada més: CAL EXPULSAR GENT DE
CATALUNYA:

1. Tots els immigrants que estiguin relacionats amb el món de la delinqüència, encara que sigui la primera vegada que delinqueixin.
2. Totes els membres de bandes de latins kings.
3. Tots aquells musulmans que reconeguin ser salafistes, com el fins fa poc iman de la mesquita de Lleida. Per cert, al fill d’aquest iman també el van detenir fa poc per formar part d’una banda de delinqüència organitzada…

Aquesta gent no aporta ni pot aportar res de bo a Catalunya. Ni els necessitem ni els volem.

movement....it is bullshit from a small nationalist party (which happens to be from France not Spain, so these guys had no stake in the vote anyway)....i do read and speak Catalan, by the way

Catalan Barcelonans are on the whole left-leaning and welcoming to immigrants and refugees...they were about roughly split regarding independence, but i imagine that the crackdown against the voting pushed a lot of people into the pro-independence column...hard to say what the real numbers would have beeen though since ballots were confiscated by the police before voting started

The material you posted is from March 2015 blog and from a group based in France. Not especially relevant to today's election.

The Catalan people had every right to try to express their desire for independence. The Spanish police brutality towards peaceful voters had grievous echoes for me.

#solidarity

The boundaries of Catalonia are not confined to Spain, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Your post was a perfect example of deceptive rhetoric, suggesting that xenophobic nationalism was a driving force in the pro-independence movement

That they would not want to join an independent Catalonia is a conclusion you reached how?

And "but they are French" is every bit as meaningful as saying the ones in territorial Spain are Spanish.

There is no way to count legitimate votes. The ballot boxes came out to the public already stuffed with "Yes" votes, they boxes were never sealed as the process is supposed to be done and every poll showed the vote 50% for and 50% against, They could have won, but never but 90%. It would hurt the economy and businesses will flee the region.

No comment on Guardia thugs beating and maiming people at will?

What is Assange's take on the subject by the way?

Not that that means anything in particular. Personally, I don't have a full depth of knowledge on the topic, and ultimately this is up to the Catalonians and Spain.

But fractures in NATO and the EU are always welcome developments to some, regardless of whatever the merits of the underlying argument may be.

Given that the Spanish courts had deemed the referendum to be unauthorized, then I would expect that "remain" voters would not have bothered much with it.

You're welcome to do a Google search on my past DU posts from way back when, which will show I've never had any time for him, even when that went against the vocal grain here. Go on, be my guest.

A mission? Not precisely.

I've been involved in civil disobedience and direct action in the past, and I know how the media can warp its public perception.

I live in Scotland. One day in the not too distant future, my friends, family, neighbours and I may be involved in civil disobedience for a number of reasons, possibly even about seeking Scottish independence. The parallels with the Catalonian situation aren't precise, but they're there.

And if that happens, and if Putin's bots do decide to stick their oar in unwelcome, can I look forward to you condemning any violence we may be subject to at the hands of the UK state, or will you be making excuses for it and justifying it on grounds of legality and because some anonymous entities have posted disinformation about it online?

Does Scotland have the industry to survive on it's own?

Especially on is current trajectory.

Our "going broke", as you put it, is a UK nationalist myth. Nobody knows the true balance of payments of Scotland's contribution to the UK, but the consensus among responsible economists is that its strength is underestimated (likely deliberately).

We have vast oil and gas resources which have been horribly mismanaged for decades, and recent finds off Shetland mean that could last for decades. The UK could have rivalled Norway's vast social fund, but instead fails to tax the oil companies and we see little benefit from it, either as Scotland or as the UK. We have other vast natural resources with great potential if they were stewarded responsibly, which they haven't been despite the Scottish government's efforts over those areas where it has jurisdiction.

But this is 500 miles and 500 more from the question of the rights and wrongs of people being savagely brutalized for acts of civil disobedience. And by "people", I mean potentially me and mine in the future.

It's time Spain gives some serious thought to how far down this road it goes again.

Hope this vote will stand.

Thank you for the news, sandensea.

Rajoy's decision to channel Franco and order an Gestapo-style assault on his own people essentially guarantees that Catalunya will, right or wrong, in fact become independent in the near future.

Whatever else he says or does, this is a day Catalans will not soon forget:

It almost overwhelms one seeing them acting like this, knowing what the police state has already done in Spain.

It really makes one wonder where this evil will end, or are we all doomed to see it simply replay, over and over.

Quite a bit of this fascist crap going around, sandensea.

That was a vivid look at the day's work for the Spanish police spreading Rajoy's greetings. Poor, poor people could not have possible expected to see this.

a puppet

of the richest families in Spain, who own most of the wealth in the country.

The Urquijos
The Kaplowitz
The Osbornes
The Domeqs
The Ortegas
The Nogueras

Just to mention a few.

i'm for peoples independence hope i'm rt in this case

Firefighters praised for 'protecting the public' after displaying their support for the independence referendum
Natasha Salmon 6 hours ago



Firefighters in Catalonia have turned out to support the independence referendum in the region by forming a human barrier between riot police and voters.

People took to social media to praise the fire officers for stepping in to 'protect the public' from the violence seen since polling stations opened on Sunday morning.

Days before the referendum was due to take place hundreds of firefighters gathered along the roof of Catalonia's history museum with a banner saying 'Love democracy'.

Thousands of people turned out to vote in the region on whether it should seek independence from the central Spanish government.

More:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catalonia-independence-referendum-vote-protests-barcelona-madrid-police-guardia-civil-a7976556.html

National borders won't matter anymore.