How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547

had nothing to do with Clinton losing Michigan?

Russians put propanganda into our media through social media and their outlets: RT, Sputnik.
Into ALL our media.

Look at how they are attempting to polarize Americans over the Vegas shooting.

If you HAVE to go on Facebook, never read a news story or an advertisment that's been made to look like a news story.

Never click on any ad you see on Facebook. Never click on something that COULD be an ad or it COULD be a fake news story, but you're not sure. (It probably is fake news, so don't click on it.)

Get out of Facebook as quickly as possible and get back to safety on DU.

Apps have way more power than websites. For example the Facebook app tracks your location and saves it.

But some people need to be told anyway, so thanks!

Against the study.

I too make a quick stop at anything which invalidates my biases...

I met Trump idiot voters and usually they go to those kind of propaganda outlets when asking for information.

have an email address, if that. Hell, I think I have one buy only used it for coupons or something or other.

You said that the people who didn't vote for Hillary aren't connected to Facebook and the other social media that Russia used.

I am saying you have no evidence. The only way you can logically prove me wrong is to provide such evidence.

Still waiting.

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and forwarded them. So yeah, there are plenty of rank and file voters in Michigan with Facebook accounts who went for Trump.

You can also look at the voting machine issue in Detroit.

Interstate CrossCheck = stealing the right to vote.

IIRC many more voters were spuriously purged from the voting rolls than the number by which Secretary Clinton "lost" in e.g. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Redux of what happened in Flori-duh when chimpy got installed. His brother and katherine harris purged 10s of thousands of African Americans before that stolen election. The pukes have just perfected their strategy now.

Also, how did the russians know which states to target? Because the dump campaign was colluding with them by giving them GOPee voter district information. Bet that comes out in the Mueller investigation.

2/3 of US adults use Facebook, and 2/3 of them get their news on Facebook.

You have no evidence that the people who didn't vote for Hillary in Michigan are any different from other voters with respect to their use of social media.

http://www.niemanlab.org/2016/05/pew-report-44-percent-of-u-s-adults-get-news-on-facebook/

talk radio, with putin's crew piggybacking 25 years of clinton swiftboating and dems continuing the giant fail of ignoring talk radio because it hurts thinking people's ears, had a hell of a lot more to do with it than 'white working man's economic angst'

and look at the money - 24 limbaugh stations in wisc and mich depend on 4 major universities that need to reread their mission statements.
19 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
uni of Wisconsin 5

and look at what that's worth-

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 5 = $75,000/wk x 24 stations rw talk radio is worth $1.8MIL/week or 7.2MIL$ /month free for trump

when dems and the analysts analyze what happened they might want to do some simple math. apparently putin's guys did.

dems don't even poll trump support for talk radio, and if they did they'd probably find putins facebook ads did a lot of piggybacking.

that's probably why trumps guys studied talk radio in 2014 (ny magazine, gabriel sherman 4/3/16)

That politico article came out BEFORE the Russia evidence

Which is the topic of the CNN article linked in op.

she thought she had Michigan in the bag, ignored us and she didn't.

In fact is certainly IS both - certainly multiple failings can be involved when a race is so close.

In this case, she could have won by working harder in MI. OR if the Russians had stayed out.

I tend to get a lot more worked up about foreign intelligence services intervening in our election.

It's irrational to believe one causal factor denies another causal factor.

Right wing billionaires have been smearing the Clintons for two decades. The smear front Judicial Watch alone spent $500M over that time.

Also Maggie haberman alone at the NYT probably had a bigger effect on Michigan votes than the effects listed in that article.

Hillary is a great politician and candidate. She is not ideally suited to modern media and she is too hawkish for me. Read her book for more details.

It's understandable that you feel compelled to underestimate the help Russia gave Trump, because otherwise you would be acknowledging that Russian propaganda worked (in favor of both Trump and Sanders and against Hillary).

Nate Silver is still wearing that "egg".

Give me that bottle, please. You've had enough.

and Hillary lost Michigan by less than 11K votes. So that article is next to worthless as a source today.

The difference in the election results was so small that any one of several things -- including Russian propaganda -- could have been enough to toss the election to DT.

"In results that narrow, Clinton’s loss could be attributed to any number of factors — FBI Director Jim Comey’s letter shifting late deciders, the lack of a compelling economic message, the apparent Russian hacking. "

The fake prez spent most of his campaign budget ($85 million) on Facebook and wouldn'the have won without them. Between Russia and his campaign no one else stood a chance.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029595857
This says it all! Facebook, Cambridge Analytical, etc.

Crazy, eh?

In the election, Democrats won ALL the state row offices (Atty General, Treasurer, Aud General), so Pennsylvanians were not averse to electing Dems statewide. Josh Shapiro, who was elected Atty Gen and got more total votes than any other candidate on the ballot, won counties Clintons lost. Had Shapiro voters also voted for Clinton, she'd have won the state.

I'm sure some voters were influenced by Russian ads on facebook, but there were plenty of voters who just didn't like and/or didn't connect with Clinton.

An exception apart from other Dems and a pariah to Republicans. So I don't see why you'd say that. The PA people I saw were pushing CTs from Sputnik and what looked like real newspapers but werent.

It was strange watching how Ryan nervously shifted from being against Trump, to supporting Trump.
It made me suspicious when I saw it happen. But I was thinking it was more in the line of promises from Trump.
Now I'm beginning to wonder if it was something on a larger scale.

even when authorities said the guy was local and the ones they were accusing were not from there it was still all over the internet.

now they are convincing themselves it's some liberal conspiracy to make white men look bad.