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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 03:06 PM Oct 2017

DeVos champions online charter schools, but the results are poor

Source: Politico




Pennsylvania's virtual charters have a 48 percent graduation rate.

By KIMBERLY HEFLING 10/08/2017 07:06 AM EDT

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has touted online learning as a school-choice solution for rural America, saying that virtual charter schools provide educational options that wouldn’t otherwise exist. But in Pennsylvania, an early adopter where more than 30,000 kids log into virtual charter schools from home most days, the graduation rate is a dismal 48 percent. Not one virtual charter school meets the state’s “passing” benchmark. And the founder of one of the state’s largest virtual schools pleaded guilty to a tax crime last year.

As DeVos seeks to expand school choice nationwide, including online options, Pennsylvania serves as a case study in the shortcomings of the virtual charter school model, or cyber charter schools, as they are known there. The state’s 14 virtual charter schools have flourished in rural communities over the last 15 years — so much so that Pennsylvania, along with Ohio and California, now account for over half the enrollment in the nation’s full-time virtual charters, according to the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools.

But as the virtual schools have expanded, so have questions about their effectiveness. Large swaths of Pennsylvania kids leaving a brick-and-mortar school for one of the virtual charter alternatives went to one with lower math and reading performance, according to research based on the 2009-2010 school year compiled by the Pennsylvania General Assembly’s Center for Rural Pennsylvania.

Success in these schools depends on a child’s ability — or a parent’s enforcement — to stay on task with no teacher in the room, researchers say.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/08/education-betsy-devos-online-charter-schools-poor-results-243556?lo=ap_b1

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DeVos champions online charter schools, but the results are poor (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2017 OP
98% of the reason I sent my kids to public school was to learn how to get along with logosoco Oct 2017 #1
Yes learning to socialize Marthe48 Oct 2017 #4
I was in school during desgregation csziggy Oct 2017 #12
With this adminstration I wonder which one they want more... logosoco Oct 2017 #14
...but the results are poor. SamKnause Oct 2017 #2
Should have said.... Turbineguy Oct 2017 #5
FOLLOW.....THE.....MONEY Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #3
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #6
Results aren't the point. Profit is the point... paleotn Oct 2017 #7
Money, money, money. Lonestarblue Oct 2017 #8
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ gilligan Oct 2017 #9
As a teacher in CA public schools for over 15 years BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #10
So true!! diva77 Oct 2017 #13
trump university for kids. Sunlei Oct 2017 #11

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
1. 98% of the reason I sent my kids to public school was to learn how to get along with
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 03:11 PM
Oct 2017

other kids and grown ups and to learn that people are different.

We live in a semi-rural area. The grade school is about 2 miles away, the high school over 10 (and they pass one field with cows and lots of open spaces on the way). We live on a street with about 12 houses and next to a small apartment complex. We do have our own library and a very nice public library. Even before the internet i could have taught them plenty of stuff. But being out in the world would not have been something I could have done at home.

Marthe48

(16,963 posts)
4. Yes learning to socialize
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 03:28 PM
Oct 2017

Learning reading, writing, arthimetic and so on is only part of it. By going to public school, you learn how to get along with the nice people, how to avoid the crappy ones, how to tell the difference. You learn about social hierarchy, and you learn that life isn't always fair. You learn to stick up for yourself. You get to experience a school supported fancy party (prom) and all of the other social galas, that if you don't go, you might never get to experience otherwise. You find friends. You find yourself, or at least get an idea of what you are made of.

My kids are in their 40's. I thought about home-schooling, because I realized that they were learning more about how to navigate their hometown society than their school subjects. But they wanted to go to school, because otherwise, they wouldn't ever see anyone. They are both ok, good careers, good outlook. And surprisingly, attached to their hometown. Seems that time equalizes your standing. My friend goes to our high school reunions. I moved away, so I don't go. She said that all of the school rivalries are forgotten and people are just glad to see each other.

In order for online education to work for anyone, there has to be personal and family commitment. I worked from home for 9 years. It was a real job and I made good money. But I had to be responsible and make sure I reported on time and worked my shift. Nobody was standing over me. Home school is the same kind of commitment. And you can't expect kids and teens to manage it on their own. If your family commits to it, you have 100% responsibility and nagging rights to keep your kids in front of the computer until their school work is done. Then you get to help with all the supplemental work. You don't have Miss Smith or Mr. Jones taking 6 or 7 hours of the care off you. And you get to school your kids as well as work your job, maintain your home and stay fit. God bless real teachers

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
12. I was in school during desgregation
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:09 PM
Oct 2017

My aunt and uncle were terrified of "what might happen" to their daring snowflakes so they put them into the shiny new, uncertified private school their church started the year our county integrated the public schools. All my cousins grew up to be right wing assholes.

My parents really didn't have the money to send their three children left at home to private schools. I overhead one argument between my parents - my Dad wanted to borrow money from his mother to pay for private schools. Mom was of the opinion we were going to live in an even more integrated world and that we should learn to get along with everyone.

Of my three siblings and me the only one who grew up to be prejudiced was the sister who graduated from high school before integration.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
14. With this adminstration I wonder which one they want more...
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 10:17 PM
Oct 2017

getting their hands on the tax money that's supposed to be for education, or the ability to set up more segregated schools! Education sure is not at the top of the list!

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

paleotn

(17,918 posts)
7. Results aren't the point. Profit is the point...
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 03:35 PM
Oct 2017

Rich kids go to good, private schools. The rest? She could care less.

Lonestarblue

(9,995 posts)
8. Money, money, money.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 04:38 PM
Oct 2017

All these people care about is money. And all you have to do to evaluate the influence that DeVos has had on publis education is to look at Michigan. After DeVos pushed for-profit charter schools on the state, kids’ performance on standardized tests like NAEP went from middle of the pack to near the bottom. Today, education in Michigan still has not recovered. She’s part of the Christian Dominionists, and all they want is public education that keeps the masses from competing for good jobs and teaches them their warped brand of Christianity.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
10. As a teacher in CA public schools for over 15 years
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 05:41 PM
Oct 2017

I can tell you that ALL schools are about money now. School is a business no matter whether or not it is private, public, or charter. My and my fellow teachers' experiences should be made public but no one would listen or believe us. You have no idea what is really going on and is getting increasingly worse.

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