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canetoad

(17,160 posts)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:22 AM Oct 2017

Las Vegas shooting: police change account of how massacre occurred

Source: The Age

Las Vegas: Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on October 1, revealing on Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert. The change raises new questions about why police weren't able to pinpoint the gunman's location sooner.

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada, shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10.05 pm.

Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman's attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room.

But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said on Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting - at 9:59pm - and they now don't know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/las-vegas-shooting-police-change-account-of-how-massacre-occurred-20171010-gyxp2z.html

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Las Vegas shooting: police change account of how massacre occurred (Original Post) canetoad Oct 2017 OP
Gee BeyondGeography Oct 2017 #1
the man had stacks of mags ready to go. He suicided because the guard was at the door. Sunlei Oct 2017 #2
He was a gun fetisher who fantasized about using them. He was also on valium (had a doctor... brush Oct 2017 #4
I believe.... SergeStorms Oct 2017 #6
Me, too! I've had about ten to fifteen in my life for medical/dental procedures.... deurbano Oct 2017 #9
Now we have a prez who has a fetish about nuclear weapons. Laffy Kat Oct 2017 #7
Valium isnt the type of med that will make you aggressive or "snap" 7962 Oct 2017 #10
That's not exactly what the literature says about it, and maybe the lack of having it at... brush Oct 2017 #15
He didn't kill himself because the guard was at the door. LisaL Oct 2017 #12
I wondered if him breaking out the windows brought the guard to the room CreekDog Oct 2017 #3
smoke alarm/ open door location will bring a hotel security to the door. Sunlei Oct 2017 #5
Something's weird about this whole incident that's for sure ansible Oct 2017 #8
Hundreds of people are still alive after being shot by the suspect. LisaL Oct 2017 #13
Presumbably "Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room" still applies muriel_volestrangler Oct 2017 #11
The story is flawed mainstreetonce Oct 2017 #14
Which is NOT going to go well when the lawsuits start 7962 Oct 2017 #20
"they now don't know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd" He could have killed a hundred + Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #16
Maybe he hadnt planned on starting when he did. Being found sped up his "plan"? 7962 Oct 2017 #19
Here's a theory Bayard Oct 2017 #17
You're not paranoid; they really ARE after you! 7962 Oct 2017 #18

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
2. the man had stacks of mags ready to go. He suicided because the guard was at the door.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:36 AM
Oct 2017

fired 200 rounds through the door/hallway and the guard was lucky to only be hit in the leg.

Half of all gun deaths in America are suicide, motive was suicide with dramatic murder(S) because a gambler had some kind of dislike of Vegas.

2 broken out windows gave police his "location" as soon as his guns blew out the windows.

brush

(53,778 posts)
4. He was a gun fetisher who fantasized about using them. He was also on valium (had a doctor...
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:47 AM
Oct 2017

on retainer to keep him supplied). Valium use can lead to aggression and irritability.

The aggression built up and he finally acted out his fantasy.

We just have to wait until the next gun fetisher with too many guns acts out his fantasy to use them.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
6. I believe....
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:04 AM
Oct 2017

the lack of Valium could lead to "aggression and irritability". Every time I've taken Valium I couldn't care less about being aggressive or irritable. Valium always made me feel immaculate. If there was ever one drug I could get hooked on, it would be Valium. But I know better.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
9. Me, too! I've had about ten to fifteen in my life for medical/dental procedures....
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 04:34 AM
Oct 2017

and right away I knew that was something to stay away from recreationally since it immediately "solved" too many of my issues. (Of course, pot was the only non-alcohol substance I ever did recreationally, and that was only for the brief-- but fun!-- time before it started triggering the panic attacks to which I was already susceptible.) Maybe over time Valium has different effects and/or affects different people different ways?

Laffy Kat

(16,379 posts)
7. Now we have a prez who has a fetish about nuclear weapons.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:44 AM
Oct 2017

Those close to him say he's talked about them since he was a teenager.

brush

(53,778 posts)
15. That's not exactly what the literature says about it, and maybe the lack of having it at...
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 09:50 AM
Oct 2017

at the moment does that, or the build up over taking it long term does.

Whatever it is, we know the gunman had a long history of its use and we also know what he did.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
12. He didn't kill himself because the guard was at the door.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 07:48 AM
Oct 2017

The OP is about the new timeline. He shot at the guard six minutes before he started shooting out of his window.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
3. I wondered if him breaking out the windows brought the guard to the room
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:43 AM
Oct 2017

but you'd think if that were the case, that law enforcement would have been called and more than one guard sent.

so maybe something else brought the guard to the room, the casino should be able to say what that was.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
13. Hundreds of people are still alive after being shot by the suspect.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 07:50 AM
Oct 2017

Do you not recall he injured hundreds?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
11. Presumbably "Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room" still applies
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 07:34 AM
Oct 2017

Paddock had set up cameras covering the hall, so he didn't wait for the guard to do anything in particular at his own door - he just saw a guard on camera in the hall, and shot.

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
14. The story is flawed
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 08:59 AM
Oct 2017

While the police were narrowing down the search ,going from floor to floor,the hotel security already knew the exact room where the guard was shot.
When the police tell the story,the hotel doesn't tell them the guard was shot before the crowd shooting begins.
Sounds like hotel was not honest and tried to cover up the real time line.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
20. Which is NOT going to go well when the lawsuits start
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 09:03 PM
Oct 2017

If the hotel knew a man with what appeared to be an automatic weapon was in their hotel and didnt call the cops before he started shooting, they're in deeeeep shit.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
16. "they now don't know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd" He could have killed a hundred +
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:02 AM
Oct 2017

With this new timeline it establishes was not rushed into committing suicide by security intervention. It was only the thoughts of a deranged mind that determined when he stopped shooting. He had plenty of time, plenty of guns, and plenty of targets remaining for even more carnage. If Paddock actually was an ISIS gunman nothing would have stopped him until others shot him dead - and the death toll would have been much higher. This is how vulnerable we now all are due to the NRA and the politicians beholden to them..

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
19. Maybe he hadnt planned on starting when he did. Being found sped up his "plan"?
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 09:00 PM
Oct 2017

Then he shot himself when he figured he was running out of time? We may never know why he did what he did.
But i am NOT going to believe any conspiracies that we are already seeing.

Bayard

(22,073 posts)
17. Here's a theory
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 12:34 PM
Oct 2017

Just popped into my head--what if the Russians are behind it? Think about it......we now know they flooded the internet with highly divisive ads/propaganda/video meant simply to sow chaos. The massacre has topped headlines for weeks, and brought the gun owners/outlaw guns fight to a head across the country and in Congress. Who knows what they could have filled this guy's mind with?

As the saying goes--If you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention.

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