so weird.

This is what I've been expecting all along. They're being egged on by Hagee and Adelson. And it will turn into a very deadly mistake.

But if you screw the pooch, you're on your own!

as soon as they do it, the Iranians will attack everything moving in the Gulf. Our navy will have to respond. In we go...

An attempt to move U.S. citizens to the right, shortly before the election.

Problem is with his acute foreign relation experience I do not see a war heling Romney it would just be another opportunity to say something stupid. A war would take attenntion off his tax returns for a while.

glorious forever war that drags the United States in against Iran.

Same for Turkey, Syria has their own problems. Alas the Straits will close off oil. The world thirst for oil is too great

There seems to be some sort of stupid theory that starting a war with Iran would somehow harm Obama in the election, which is very funny to me. Obama does not want to go to war with Iran, but it will just seal his election landslide if it does happen.

with sky-high gas prices which our super intelligent population would probably consider to be his fault.....

This is well known, why the corrupt ones love war so much: "War on Drugs", "War on Poverty", and so on.

And it would not be a case of Obama starting it either.
And there would not be time for the downside to hit before the election.
And Rmoney does not actually hold the advantage in the "War Leader" perceptions department anyway.
If anything, Rmoney is the one that looks like a lightweight.

the nation will rally around Pres. Obama if Iran hits one of our ships and he will be re-elected in a landslide. I have no doubt whatsoever that Obama will respond with massive air strikes and naval strikes if Iran hits a U.S. ship.

Iran's infrastructure & military would be in shambles in about 1 week and would be incapable of military ops., there would probably be a regime change after it became clear that they have been defeated militarily.

And Israel will get well pasted with Iranian missile weapons, whatever they have, and O will not be happy with our little buddies in Tel Aviv when the dust settles either.

Israel will get hit but not as bad as some might think, they have a pretty good missile defense and civil defense systems.

Pres. Obama would be very unhappy with Israel but he would hit Iran with everything we've got in the region, if Iran hit one our military asset in the area.
If I were Iran, I would think very hard about hitting a U.S. ship in the Gulf or any U.S. troops in the region because Obama will unleash hell on them, he is a proven entity, and I think that's why Israel would attack Iran before the election knowing that Iran will probably attack one of our ships and then the U.S. will attack Iran and do Israel's work for them.

Limited point defenses, OK, otherwise you are going to get hit, esp. with guided weapons.
Iran will not be reasonable. Consider the Iran-Iraq war. A few millions dead will be "worth it".

O will act intelligently and with restraint, that's why he's a good President.

As far as civil defense: Gas mask production not sufficient for entire public

but I think they could probably get to the 50% range which is pretty good. I have no doubt that Pres. Obama is intelligent and would try to act with restraint, but the pressure from the american people and the Congress would compel him to unleash a massive strike, especially after the first pictures of american casualities and damaged or sunk ships were published.

Good debate.

But it may unleash uf for good from the Iraeli strings that pull our government into every ME conflict. Their bombs, our blood and money. Is this all to stop the investigation of Adelson? Gotta wonder.

There's no doubt that Iran would get a few licks in but how long do you think Iran's military would last under a massive U.S. air and naval strike? And if you think that Pres. Obama would sit by and let Iran get away with hitting any U.S. assets w/o responding, then you are sadly mistaken.
I fully believe he would unleash hell on earth on Iran and Iran's economy and military would cease to function in about a week.

Please name just one war Israel has pulled the USA into.

JUST ONE,

This should be good....

We are waiting.

Mossad conspiracy theory

Former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky has accused the Mossad of knowing of the plans for the bombing, but decided against informing the Americans of the attack. According to Ostrovsky, then Mossad head Nahum Admoni decided against informing the Americans on the grounds that the Mossad's responsibility was to protect Israel's interests, not Americans. Admoni denied having any prior knowledge of the attack.[55] Ostrovsky further claimed that among the high level officers of the Mossad there was a view that if the Americans "wanted to stick their nose into this Lebanon thing, let them pay the price."[56] Benny Morris, in his review of Ostrovsky's book, wrote that Ostrovsky was "barely a case officer before he was fired; most of his (brief) time in the agency was spent as a trainee" adding that due to compartmentalization "he did not and could not have had much knowledge of then current Mossad operations, let alone operational history." Benny Morris wrote that the claim regarding the barracks was "odd" and an example of one of Ostrovsky's "Wet" stories which were "mostly fabricated."[57]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

We (The USA) were in Lebanon, that's what I'm referring to. There were quite a few dead marines as a consequence, and that ought not be overlooked.

by Israel , and shed blood for Israel ?

Nevertheless there was no particular reason for us to send the marines to Lebanon, other than our alliance with Israel.

That's why there was a question mark. I read for an hour and ME politics are so complicated I couldn't figure out a damned thing.

Let that psychotic little war monger do it..

But on his own.

With NO help from any other country.

& let him deal with the consequences of provoking a war without help from anyone else either.

I don't have sympathy for any extremists (political or religious based) down that way & even less for 'pre-emptive' attacks either.

I still don't forget about the phosphorus shelling incident a while back

(I realize that skirmishes there have been going on there for a while & both sides are dirty..but using phosphorus shells is just plain evil)

The neo cons would love....Romney send your sons to battle on the front line since you want this so badly..

The horse would be midstream. The fundie nuts would not want a Mormon but since they think Obama is a Muslim as presented on Fox Noise that evens out. The Israeli's may be taking a page from North Korea "I'm over here!".

As to Romney maybe he has a good bunker and several years worth of food. There would be many businesses to raid but not worth much when they are ash heaps.

What is it for them to gain?? Even if Iran develops nukes, so many other countries have em too, including Israel, so why do they care? Im more afraid of Russians and Pakistan than Iran. I really don't understand why this wish for destruction, do they get all warm and fuzzy when they know ppl are dying?? It's sickening :'(

Israel and the US are always just abou to attack Iran anyway. I don't really see it happening.

For purely selfish reasons (gas prices for one)I hope this is not true, yet if it's not just this rightwingers of Israel that are pushing this reasoning, then maybe they know something we don't about a threat to their nation

You ridicule people who worry about Israel striking Iran's nuclear program, yet it's mainly because of all the sabre-rattling coming from Tel Aviv. Are we supposed to ignore all that? Are those sabre-rattlers just joshing around?

This has been going on since 2003. And, like then, the chicken little BS cries of the "sky is falling" hasn't changed a bit. It is a back and forth that has been happen for a decade. Ignore it? Did I say such a thing? Why, no, I didn't. But at least be able to be aware and stop with the Pavlovian responses.

the first being that Iran is the 'new' Nazi Germany

all the facts referred to in that link ring as truth, since I faced some of the unrelenting hate mentioned, as a CHILD and as an adult. People of a majority, in this country, have to remember that they have never experienced hate based on being a different race and if they did, it was backlash. Oh I can hear the outrage now. I don't care. People looked the other way when hate was shown to me as a child because of my skin color, I will never forget the looks of hate. The Palestinian issue IS important and is in addition to all the other important problems of that area. Who's to say the 25,000 won't be driven out or put in camps? So no right, no wrong it's just all fact. These are very dangerous times both nationally and internationally. Iran is a nuclear threat.Period

where are the gas chambers?

I will say though there is much 'gas' being blown here though

like I said,you are entitled to think what you please. I don't care what you are spewing.

so you think that it is worth killing over?

those looks led to lynchings, who's killing whom?

Iran is not the US south it is not Nazi Germany but I do sense some blood lust amongst some

hey, headinsanditis, lynchings are starting again in the south. Not 50 years ago, still going on today. I will give no more respnse to ignorance.

Not even close. The hyperbole only works on the ignorant.

That said, I doubt Israel would want to stir the pot with the US this close to the election. Obama has been as supportive of them as any US president. The UNSC vetoes against the entire rest of the world still happen. What more can they want?

IDF has said that plainly, so it is possible that Israel is trying to pressure the US into assisting them, but it is also entirely possible that this is a political ploy on Ehud Barak's part, Israeli elections are coming in early 2013 possibly sooner as there have been calls for early elections there

no problem with that assessment, yet with the region as volatile as it is, we'll see

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comparing Tayvon Martin? to Iran and then using that as an excuse to justify war?

BTW I took lynching at its literal term and as far as my head being the sand nope I am just not an eye for an eye type or is more 100 eyes for an eye or what?

I;ve noted how people deal with the hate and bigotry they've been shown in the past some use it to help promote change for the better and some seem to actually relish it, parade it , wrap themselves in noble victim-hood, as it justifies their own hate and need for revenge

hate begats hate in some instances. noble victim hood, nah, just won't let someone who thinks they are superior for whatever reason, run roughshod over another person and if violence is necessary, so be it.

That is the precise reason a STRONG Jewish state is essential.

It works well for Jews worldwide.

have ever met. Went to school with many of them and live among them now. Kind and gentle people who suffer the slings of ignorant government and hostile enemies. What would even the government of Iran accomplish by nuking someone??? They aren't insane...but I fear the Israeli Likud is.

always possible.

The government of Iran?

Seriously?

be any more "insane" than a 'democracy' that conspires to wage aggressive war, killing millions in other countries?

The conspicuousness of the double standards inherent to the common American world view, can astonish at times.

but it will never happen because their fundamentalist government dooms them to be a mediocre (at best) Middle Eastern theocracy that depends on the rest of the world much too much to fight with it. Nazi Germany, on the other hand, was relatively self-sufficient because of a good wartime economy.

If they could have killed Israel already, they would have.

and something that occurred to me too, Israeli elections are not that far off either, Barak (Ehud) could be in the running there too

they may find that if they do just that (bomb Iran), Obama will support them 100% and very publicly. Then Ramney will have no basis upon which to criticize and conservative Jewish (older) voters in Florida will move towards Obama.

And then Obama can drain the SPR spigot to tamp down gas prices too.

Had. Actually, two points, if bushco with the help of congress did not invade Iraq then Iran would not be the issue it is today. Right or wrong they were a balance of power in the area

The second and most important point what gives us or anyone else for that matter to invade another country because we do not like what they are doing?

It is another argument if one country attacks another country, then there would be consequences, but not what they do internally

Another thing, as much as the idiots want to paint Iran as a crazed country, the truth is they are well aware if Iran launched a nuclear strike on Israel, they would assure themselves of absolute destruction

They are not going to do it unless they are attacked first.

If Iraq should have taught us one thing it is that actions in that area of the world have unknown ripple effects

You think the economy is bad, you ani't seen nothing yet if something like that happens

to first attack Iraq, then Iran, and the important result was to be regime change, which means very long involvement. Are all Israelies now falling in line with this? That would be very sad.

. No one is going to want to change CiC with a war starting

My take is that it is part of on an ongoing strategy to keep up pressure on Iranian leaders with the hope that some may weaken in the face of an imminent Israeli/American military attack. There have been numerous leaks of this kind over the past few years, especially near Presidential elections, alleging that an attack was imminent. There have been others implying that the US was trying to hold Israel back. And so on. I'm guessing that the real audience for these leaks is in Iran and that they are made more believable by the fact that they appear timed to influence US elections.

You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane,
Let's do the Time Warp again!

Gulf Daily News - Israeli attack on Iran is predicted -- 06 August 2011

A VETERAN intelligence expert has predicted an Israeli attack on Iran in a matter of months. However, an expert based in Bahrain told the
GDN such an attack would be unlikely - adding if it happened it was unlikely to be announced in advance.

Obama Warned Israel May Bomb Iran -- August 3, 2010

We write to alert you to the likelihood that Israel will attack Iran as early as this month. This would likely lead to a wider war.

Israel’s leaders would calculate that once the battle is joined, it will be politically untenable for you to give anything less than unstinting support to Israel, no matter how the war started, and that U.S. troops and weaponry would flow freely. Wider war could eventually result in destruction of the state of Israel.

Israel 'will attack Iran this year' if West does not cripple Tehran with sanctions -- 17 Sep 2009

Israel will attack Iran's nuclear facilities before the end of the year if the West has not launched an attempt to destroy the regime with crippling sanctions, a former senior defence official has claimed.

link:http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/01-08-2008/105968-israel-0/|Israel ready to attack Iran without USA’s permission -- 01 August 2008

Israel has entered the last phase of its war preparations against Iran. Recent resignation of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, a proponent of negotiations and concessions, and several other factors speak well for the imminent war. Israel’s recent creation of the US missile defense shield can be another addition on the list. The US administration also tries to use the Israeli forces to play a dirty trick on Russia.




Do I need to keep going?! I used the first ones I found rather than spending hours (like last year), and finding more mainstream sources. However, all of these should be with in the realm of at least marginably acceptable for proving the task at hand. Keep in mind, the above are just SAMPLINGS of this story which has been in the news cycle for over TEN FUCKING YEARS and always with the same predicitable, mindless, bigoted rants from BOTH sides.

(Apologies for the Pravda source, and the formatting; the link wasn't showing.)

The USA controls everything around Iran from the land, sea and air access. The USA tracks everything especially any airplane that lands or takes off from this part of the world no matter if they are friend or foe.

The next question is if Israel does attack Iran who in our government approved it or purposely looked the other way to allow it to happen?

See post #55