Shoppers pulled guns in response to Thornton Walmart shooting, but police say that slowed investigat
Source: Denver Post
When a gunman opened fire inside a Walmart in Thornton Wednesday night, shoppers screamed and ran for cover and others pulled out their own handguns.
But those who drew weapons during the shootings ultimately delayed the investigation as authorities pored over surveillance videotape trying to identify the assailant who killed three people, police said Thursday.
Although authorities said a few individuals drew handguns, they posed no physical hazard to officers. But their presence absolutely slowed the process of determining who, and how many, suspects were involved in the shootings, said Thornton police spokesman Victor Avila.
It took more than five hours to identify the suspect, 47-year-old Scott Ostrem, who is accused in the seemingly random shootings. The problem for investigators came when they reviewed the surveillance footage and had to follow each individual with a firearm until they could eliminate them as a suspect.
Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/02/shoppers-pulled-weapons-walmart-shooting/
LisaM
(27,813 posts)but now I really don't want to shop at a Walmart. Sounds as if half the clientele is armed.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)but my work takes me into one or two locations five days a week. It's the weirdest combination of strung-out tweakers, flag-draped old people, and the morbidly obese you can possibly imagine.
I can totally imagine what a shitshow this investigation must have been.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)Do you think the victims fit into?
groundloop
(11,519 posts)I see just a normal cross section of my community, not "strung-out tweakers, flag-draped old people, and the morbidly obese" as you describe.
Please quit with the insults, it doesn't help.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,489 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Isn't that the point of carrying one's weapon into Walmart, to potentially save innocent victims?
RIP
HAB911
(8,904 posts)they just pull their peashooters and stand there, apparently.
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)CHLtraining stresses that you not just shoot at first sight but make sure that there are no innocents in the bullet path. Similarly the training deals with what to do when police arrive.
HAB911
(8,904 posts)inaction and ineffectual presence
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)It does not mean personal weapons should be banned.
HAB911
(8,904 posts)We could trade cites but I am sure that you would not appreciate any that show citizen self defense.
HAB911
(8,904 posts)crim son
(27,464 posts)I've seen some that rely solely on the word of the gun-owner and I don't believe those to be reliable for obvious reasons. What do you have?
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)He would not have known who the shooter was with all kinds brandishing weapons. I have never had the urge to carry a concealed weapon and now it is even less likely.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)If there is one bad guy with a gun and 3 or 4 good guys with a gun....how do the good guys know who the bad guy is.......I think they live in some 50s western movie fantasy, where nothing is messy or confused and you know who the black hat is and the good guys shoot the gun out of the hand of the bad guy or kill him......and never hit an innocent, never mistake anyone for a bad guy, etc.
NNadir
(33,525 posts)pecosbob
(7,541 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Bad guys have to wear black hats!
Doreen
(11,686 posts)kacekwl
(7,017 posts)guns for everyone crap.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)groundloop
(11,519 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)than be an easy victim for the sake of making the cleanup easier for the cops.
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Skittles
(153,169 posts)they were KILLED by a gun
how would one of those gunners know who was the the shooter and who was another gunner? It is INSANE.
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)Hangingon
(3,071 posts)Are you implying they were in cahoots with the killer? The guy who came in, shot 3 people and then left. How much delay there? You are really straining.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)DONE HERE
crim son
(27,464 posts)the gun-toters were part of the problem. You don't have to believe it but your blindness casts doubt on your credibility in this instance. An idea: if you can't defend carrying without ignoring the facts and bending reality, perhaps you should rethink your position. I don't intend to be rude, btw.
Mosby
(16,319 posts)Where a crazy rw couple shot some cops and then went into a Walmart or a grocery store to shoot more people?
An armed customer saw the guy with a gun walk by his isle and he pulled his concealed weapon and told the guy to drop his gun, he was then shot in the back and killed by the wife who was following behind at a distance.
bucolic_frolic
(43,178 posts)How does one sort it out - in the moment?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Take away - gun proof - these facilities, no one gets a gun or...
...give everyone a gun, and as they say in Vegas, let the chips fall where they may?
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Job Description and Duties
Walmart greeters meet customers at store entrances. Greeters at Walmart may assist customers with cart selection, offer coupons, or simply welcome people to the store. Walmart greeters may direct customers to specific areas of the store or note a return a customer brings back. Greeters with Walmart may need to perform other assigned duties, according to shift and location. Walmart greeters may clean store entryways, departments, or even restrooms if assigned such a task from a managing supervisor.
Greeters at Walmart may also need to identify customers for security purposes.
HAB911
(8,904 posts)Police come to shoo away panhandlers, referee parking disputes and check on foul-mouthed teenagers.
They are called to arrest the man who drinks a 98-cent iced tea without paying and capture the customer who joyrides on a motorized shopping cart.
The calls eat up hours of officers time. They all start at one place:
Walmart.
Law enforcement logged nearly 16,800 calls in one year to Walmarts in Pinellas, Hillsborough, Pasco and Hernando counties
, according to a Tampa Bay Times analysis. Thats two calls an hour, every hour, every day.
http://project.tampabay.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/2016/public-safety/walmart-police/?src=longreads&mc_cid=37a7277d9b&mc_eid=d2958640a5
and I live in Pinellas. I never go to Walmart.
HAB911
(8,904 posts)food assistance. My last Repub friend goes to Sam's and Walmart and I can't convince them the prices come at greater cost. Duh.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/nation/walmart-raises-still-leave-many-near-poverty-line/2218435
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Most have unarmed security, that check receipts on the way out. The greeters are not security, often they are handicapped people, Walmart is good that way.
HAB911
(8,904 posts)in urban areas they rely on the taxpayer to provide security and rely on the taxpayer to subsidize their employees pay on top of that.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)View Post
The identities of the murdered victims are being reported:
Victor Vasquez, a father of 2 little girls w/ a baby on the way:
http://kdvr.com/2017/11/02/first-vic...er-to-2-girls/
Carlos Moreno, a husband, father and grandfather:
http://kdvr.com/2017/11/02/grandfath...mart-shooting/
Pam Marques, a mother:
http://kdvr.com/2017/11/02/woman-kil...rt-identified/
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)either armed shopper shoot each other by mistake....
or the cops shoot armed shopper by mistake
great tv script for a crime show if anyone wants it...please send royalties to me....not all but some