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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:54 AM Nov 2017

GOP senator: ObamaCare mandate a 'tax on the poor and working class'

Source: The Hill




BY JULIA MANCHESTER - 11/15/17 10:43 AM EST

Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) called the ObamaCare individual mandate a "tax on the poor and working class" in an interview on Wednesday after Senate Republicans announced they would include a repeal of the mandate in their tax-reform legislation.

"The fact of the matter is that the individual mandate is a tax on the poor and working class," Scott said on "The Hugh Hewitt Show."

"Let me say it this way. $50,000 dollars is the household threshold where 80% of the people who pay the penalty live in households of $50,000 or less, $25,000 dollars households is where one-third of the people live in household of $25,000 dollar income or less, paying a penalty, paying a penalty for not buying health insurance," he continued. Scott's comments come a day after Senate Republicans heeded President Trump's demands to include the repeal of the mandate in their tax reform bill.

The repeal of the mandate would give Republicans additional money to offset the cost of tax cuts, and would allow Republicans fulfill their campaign promise to repeal the individual mandate, while proposing tax reform legislation.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360469-gop-senator-obamacare-mandate-a-tax-on-the-poor-and-working-class

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luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
4. Are there ANY f'ing Repub legislators who understand
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:17 PM
Nov 2017

how insurance works? Obviously the answer is NO. Removing the mandate, plus all the other inane ideas these idiots have put forward only means that premiums are going to increase for all those who have insurance -- either through their employer or privately.

I'm still waiting for those Dems who promote universal health insurance to actually EXPLAIN to those with employer-based insurance that, with everyone paying a little more in federal tax each year, employers won't have to purchase insurance plans, and thus (or at least it's supposed to mean) their paycheques will be bigger. They don't seem to realize that it isn't their employer paying for their insurance, it's actually the employees themselves.

And for those stupid citizens who refuse to purchase insurance and are condemning the mandate, they'd better have a look at some health statistics. Cancer strikes nearly 1 in 2 Americans. Heart disease and stroke are actually the biggest killers. Do those selfish people think a new car is more important than possibly declaring bankruptcy or losing their home (and their car) to pay for outrageous hospital bills?

I'm beginning to think the average IQ of Americans (present company excepted!) is much lower than 100......

progree

(10,921 posts)
6. And to add to your excellent all of the above, taxpayers and people paying premiums
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 01:01 PM
Nov 2017

pay for the care of these people who refuse to buy insurance when they are no longer able to pay those hospital bills. In other words, free-loading on those who buy insurance.

(I'm not condemning those who don't buy it because they really can't afford it -- note there is an exemption from the penalty if the least expensive health insurance available costs more than 8.13% of your income in premiums. Or if you don't have to file a tax return because your income is too low. Among many other exceptions: https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/health/obamacare-exemptions/ . And I recognize that the damn deductibles and out-of-pocket costs can be too much for many -- costs that the cost sharing reductions in the ACA are meant to help with (for those between 100% and 250% of poverty) but which Trump stopped funding -- though fortunately the law requires that the insurance companies still fund those -- which is why they are raising premiums an extra bunch to make up for the loss of federal funding )

I might also add that Medicare also has penalties for signing up late -- increased premiums for life on both Medicare Part B and Part D for each month you delay buying this insurance. Google: [medicare part b late enrollment penalty]

and similarly for Part D. So penalties aren't just an ACA thing.

VMA131Marine

(4,149 posts)
2. How does anyone in a household making $25,000 or less pay a penalty?
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:59 AM
Nov 2017

They would be eligible for expanded Medicaid and would be waived from the penalty in states that have not expanded it.

kelly1mm

(4,735 posts)
7. For a single person household the expanded medicaid cutoff is about 16k.
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 01:23 PM
Nov 2017

Even for a 2 person household the expanded income cutoff is about 22.5k. It is not until you have a 3 person household till you get over 25k (27.5k).

VMA131Marine

(4,149 posts)
8. Okay, but those people above the cut-off would be eligible for substantial subsidies
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 01:48 PM
Nov 2017

to purchase insurance. They would probably pay more n penalties than if they bought insurance on the marketplace.

kelly1mm

(4,735 posts)
9. I did not say these people were financially literate, I just answered
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 02:24 PM
Nov 2017

Your question as to how it was possible.

Bengus81

(6,934 posts)
3. TRANSLATION: The RICH and CORPORATIONS want their tax cut NOW.........
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:07 PM
Nov 2017

and we need to somehow fund it. Killing the mandates (along with GUTTING Medicare) will kill the ACA and we'll pick up about $33B per year off the mandates to hand over to the Walton family,the COX family,the Koch family,the Trump family etc,etc.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. They get health care in response
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:19 PM
Nov 2017

The only people who don't want to pay under the ACA subsidies are people who are irresponsible enough to want to pay for something else rather than health insurance. Which is funny as right-wingers claim they work harder and are more responsible.

Eko

(7,369 posts)
10. In some cases it is a tax on the poor and working class.
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 02:38 PM
Nov 2017

My big brother makes about 37k a year, after taxes his biweekly check is about 1,100, take 400 out for child support and then 350 out for rent and you have 350 left for utility bills, food and gas for two weeks. He lives in a state that has not expanded medicare. His policy on the ACA is $675 a month and needless to say he cant afford that. Sure, part of this is the Republicans fault for not expanding medicare, maybe it would cover him, I don't know. Im not knocking the ACA, my mom is on it and is being treated for cancer. I am more than happy to pay taxes to have it but there are problems that could stand fixing.

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