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BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 07:29 PM Dec 2017

Days after the FCC repealed its net neutrality rules, the GOP has a bill to replace them

Source: Washington Post

Days after the Federal Communications Commission voted to repeal its net neutrality rules for Internet providers, a Republican congresswoman has introduced legislation that would replace some — but not all — of the regulations.

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.) on Tuesday unveiled what she is calling the Open Internet Preservation Act. The bill restores two of the most important provisions of the FCC's net neutrality rules: a ban on the blocking of websites, as well as a ban on the slowing of websites. It also includes the same public disclosure requirements that Internet providers must abide by under the FCC's decision from last week.

The bill also directs the FCC to enforce the legislation by setting up an inbox for net neutrality complaints and adjudicating them.

But the bill omits a third plank of the FCC's 2015 net neutrality rules: The ban on “paid prioritization,” or the ability of Internet providers to speed up certain websites in exchange for money.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/19/this-gop-net-neutrality-bill-aims-to-replace-some-but-not-all-of-the-fccs-rules/?utm_term=.c81a27e16e7f&tid=sm_tw



It seems there would be a contradiction - banning the "slowing" of sites but then no ban for "paid prioritization", i.e., by prioritizing one site over another, you get slowing of access to the lesser-paying sites.



Democrats on the relevant committees related to telecom issues are not too keen on this but maybe they can work something out? (Ha! Good luck on that)
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Days after the FCC repealed its net neutrality rules, the GOP has a bill to replace them (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 OP
Blackburn?? Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2017 #1
I know right? BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #3
Exactly xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #5
Right? eom Control-Z Dec 2017 #12
Blackburn? WTH? irisblue Dec 2017 #14
Good campaign platform for Democrats. Baitball Blogger Dec 2017 #2
The fact that they even bothered to do this BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #4
This just shows that "paid prioritization" was the goal all along FakeNoose Dec 2017 #6
That and the graphic BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #7
Just like they were saying after the FCC vote. MarcA Dec 2017 #8
They're trying to run the internet like an airline company with procon Dec 2017 #9
they kinda already have that with the different speed tiers and different data 'caps' mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #21
re: the contradiction you mention thesquanderer Dec 2017 #10
The issue appears to be directed towards content providers BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #11
Worse: new startup content providers would be at a disadvantage to established providers if they... Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2017 #13
Truth FakeNoose Dec 2017 #15
Facebook doesn't consume much bandwidth, it's NOTHING compared to say, a netflix ... mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #22
Facebook took in more ad money last year than anybody FakeNoose Dec 2017 #25
But then given we are in a deregulation environment now BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #16
Interesting idea Egnever Dec 2017 #17
With the availability of multiple subchannels for each OTA digital channel BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #18
They've increased 'native' advertising SO MUCH lately ... in like everything ... mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #23
Yup BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #24
Speed Up vs Slow down jgmiller Dec 2017 #19
I think I basically said in post #11 BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #20

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
4. The fact that they even bothered to do this
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 07:51 PM
Dec 2017

is telling... There are HUGE corporations with deep pockets who would be impacted if they didn't fix this... and they may have more $$$ than the ISPs.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
6. This just shows that "paid prioritization" was the goal all along
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 08:10 PM
Dec 2017

The special interests will give up the website blocking and the slow-downs, as long as they get what they really wanted - paid prioritizations.

I guess it proves the FCC are nothing but shills anymore. Why even bother with an FCC, when all they do is give the special interests everything they want and more. All the uproar over internet privacy, security, blah-blah-blah. We can have all the net neutrality we want, as long as we can PAY for it.


MarcA

(2,195 posts)
8. Just like they were saying after the FCC vote.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 08:20 PM
Dec 2017

They said they wouldn't slow down or block. But any new
tech and speed-ups will cost your internet site extra $$$.
After several years those who don't/can't pay will be horse
and buggy to the $$$ jet age. Yes, this is what was planned
all along- and now blackburn will make it law.

procon

(15,805 posts)
9. They're trying to run the internet like an airline company with
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 08:29 PM
Dec 2017

first class seating, business, and coach. So internet users will get lumped into existing buffering (coach) low speed rates, with the option of upgrading to (business) a faster service for a higher fee, or paying premium prices for (first class) high speed service.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
21. they kinda already have that with the different speed tiers and different data 'caps'
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:35 PM
Dec 2017

for consumers. this is more directed towards the 'other side', the providers. they wanna do the same to that end of the 'supply chain' to increase their $$$.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
10. re: the contradiction you mention
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 08:50 PM
Dec 2017

It's similar to laws that some states have, which permit a store to give a discount for cash, but do not permit a store to charge extra for using a credit card. The difference is indeed subtle...

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
11. The issue appears to be directed towards content providers
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 09:01 PM
Dec 2017

vs customers (verbatim), although obviously the customer subscribing to access the site or service would possibly bear the brunt of a higher subscription cost.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,840 posts)
13. Worse: new startup content providers would be at a disadvantage to established providers if they...
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:45 PM
Dec 2017

...if they can't afford to upgrade their speed. So even if the established content providers don't pass along the cost of the extra speed, their speed investment can squash the new competition.
As TV networks begin to focus on delivery via Internet instead of cable (and that's the direction they're headed in), Movie Channel X could buy better speed than Movie Channel Y if it had deeper pockets and before long no one would want to bother with Channel Y because the compression and buffering would make it unattractive. Now maybe 'that's just business' but the example could be applied to news and information channels as well. Fox could afford speed that would make MSNBC's video look like a Kinetoscope in comparison.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
15. Truth
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:33 PM
Dec 2017

No more Netflix-type start-ups, no more Amazon Primes or any other content provider. That's the point of all of this.

Of course Facebook has to make sure nobody competes with them either, forget the fact that they benefited tremendously from wide-open internet. The doors are all slammed shut now for everybody else.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
22. Facebook doesn't consume much bandwidth, it's NOTHING compared to say, a netflix ...
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:42 PM
Dec 2017

Although the sheer volume of people using it is very high, each page load isn't that 'heavy'. Plus the experience to the user isn't nearly as degraded as it would be trying to watch a movie on netflix if you lacked sufficient bandwidth.

The real goal here methinks is to force people back into buying pricey cable subscriptions and to make up for the lost revenue of caused by their disappearance ('cutting the cable') by charging the netflix's and amazon primes of the world ... 'extra' ... which will be passed along to consumer ... thus making cable tv more appealing again.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
25. Facebook took in more ad money last year than anybody
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 03:26 PM
Dec 2017

They've got the gravy train and they don't want to share it or lose it.
I don't believe it has anything to do with bandwidth, it's just (millenials') eyeballs on the screens.

They don't care if old people like me see their ads, all the money is in the young people.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
16. But then given we are in a deregulation environment now
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 06:02 AM
Dec 2017

it wouldn't surprise me that it is proposed to eliminate any restrictions on broadcast TV and at that point, OTA would be "cheaper" than any streaming. Part of the reason why the fleeing to cable and streaming is the near-unregulated content. Make them "equal" (e.g., the "7 forbidden words" allowed on broadcast TV), revise the broadcast TV model and leadership, and then all bets are off.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
17. Interesting idea
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 06:16 AM
Dec 2017

I think another big driver is the elimination of adds on streaming.


I much prefer paying $15 a month for Netflix with no adds and content on demand to content fed to me at the broadcasters whim.

I do find the idea interesting though.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
18. With the availability of multiple subchannels for each OTA digital channel
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 06:52 AM
Dec 2017

(which enables multiplexing) OTA broadcasters could utilize those better and for something innovative.

I currently have a pretty loaded Comcast package with most of the major premium channels... yet I have barely turned the TV on the past couple years outside of some current event aftermath programs (including politics/weather) and a few movies I may have DVRed. I also have Amazon Prime which has its own streaming and have streamed a few movies... But I expect the demand for content is definitely going to be at the whim of the consumer, including the near non-consuming consumer!

ETA, I have subscription to SiriusXM and although the music channels have no ads, the REST of the channels DO have ads so don't be surprised that Netflix ends up with ads too and/or even higher tiers to remove them.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
23. They've increased 'native' advertising SO MUCH lately ... in like everything ...
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:51 PM
Dec 2017

Hollywood films and Netflix originals are certainly not immune I'll tell ya that, though regular tv shows are worse by far. They're making up for the loss of eyes caused by streaming and dvr fast-forward ... by very blatantly including plugs for specific products right in the shows themselves.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
24. Yup
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:13 PM
Dec 2017

and how it's gotten worse is the fact that they had started including the ads during the end credits. First as a bottom popup, then as a split screen, and then the credits were put in smaller and smaller split screens until the last time I watched a movie the credits were in a tiny box at the bottom right corner barely readable on a 47" TV. It's ridiculous. And this is not including popup ads during a show!

jgmiller

(395 posts)
19. Speed Up vs Slow down
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 11:27 AM
Dec 2017

Actually I think everyone is looking at the contradiction the wrong way. Remember there are two sides to bandwidth, there is the bandwidth you receive and the bandwidth the content provider has. The legislation says it would ban slowing down someone that implies slowing on the reception side. If I have 50Mb from Spectrum and I'm watching Netflix, in all likelihood Netflix is not paying Spectrum for bandwidth. The only control Spectrum has is on my end, the reception end. If it's illegal for them to slow content down then the full 50Mb is available to me. Even if they slow it in their network before it hits me that's still illegal under this. Small startup content providers would also not contract with a Spectrum (well maybe their business division) for bandwidth. It gets really complicated these days because of AWS and other cloud providers but basically the serving end of the bandwidth spectrum has always been pay for play and the rates can vary wildly. Also there are a huge number of competitors selling bandwidth so that tends to drive the price down.

The Internet is not like the phone system, there are many routes data can take from the servers to the consumers and it's very hard to control it at the server side in a coordinated way. The intent of what the FCC was trying to do was to allow a Spectrum to say "you will get 50% of the speed for Netflix that you will get if you use our new wiz bang service", that they can and will do if legislation is not passed.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
20. I think I basically said in post #11
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:13 PM
Dec 2017

that it appears to be directed to the content providers (vs the consumers). The ISPs put out money to lay infrastructure (other than POTS lines) and want to recoup that cost and balance the load.

HOWEVER the fact that this is "interstate commerce" that originally came out of military's ARPANET infrastructure, it needs to be regulated like telecom with the onus being in favor of the customer. And in many cases, the data transactions could be peer to peer (both being customers) like a voice call (or even video call/teleconference) vs a content provider to peer (customer) stream...

I.e., what might happen with the former case and would that need its own classification in this throw-the-rules-out scenario? For example if parents want to "stream" a video of their toddler's first steps to grandma? Would those parents now be considered a "content provider" on par with someone like Amazon? Or (as will probably happen more and more in the future) if a school "streams" lessons to students at home rather than using a snow day off. Would the school now be a "content provider" to the students subject to rules aimed at Hulu or Netflix?

And as a note, the internet WAS "the phone system" and the phone system is more and more "the internet", with A/D conversions and digital voice calls going through servers and routers at some Central Office maintained by some Baby Bell. Add to that cell voice/data. The one evolved out of the other and are basically one and the same, with the differences being the protocols (and equipment like switches, etc) used to move the traffic, the size of the packets, and the total amount of data.

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