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Eugene

(61,934 posts)
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 06:00 PM Dec 2017

Democrat in tied Va. House race says she will challenge disputed ballot in court

Source: Washington Post

By Laura Vozzella December 26 at 2:44 PM

Lawyers for a Democrat locked in a tied Virginia House of Delegates race were preparing a court challenge Tuesday, hoping to head off a name-drawing scheduled for Wednesday that will decide not only that race, but also which party controls the chamber.

In her legal motion, Democratic challenger Shelly Simonds will ask the Newport News Circuit Court to reverse its decision following a recount last week to count a disputed ballot for Republican incumbent David Yancey.

Simonds’s lawyers provided copies of the motion to reconsider but could not file it Tuesday because the court was closed.

Yancey appeared to beat Simonds by 10 votes on Election Day, but the Dec. 19 recount left Simonds ahead by a single vote.

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/on-eve-of-drawing-to-determine-winner-in-tied-va-race-democrats-announce-plans-to-sue/2017/12/26/a94a2f5a-ea3b-11e7-9f92-10a2203f6c8d_story.html

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Democrat in tied Va. House race says she will challenge disputed ballot in court (Original Post) Eugene Dec 2017 OP
Dems to file legal challenge asking court to reconsider 'erroneous' steps that led to tied election mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #1
Good. The court overrode a decision accepted by both candidates. George II Dec 2017 #2
Yes and No rpannier Dec 2017 #10
The judges were only to certify the certification of the election board recount. Did they even Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #3
kinda was what i was thinking too bluestarone Dec 2017 #6
+2 iluvtennis Dec 2017 #8
according to the Post article, the judges heard arguments from the lawyers onenote Dec 2017 #14
Love it when Danascot Dec 2017 #4
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that concept. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #5
Interesting. VA Code section 24.2-802.H says recount proceeding can't be appealed onenote Dec 2017 #7
Yes. Meaning the complex proceeding recount result can not be appealed. It was. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #11
Where does it say it was too late? onenote Dec 2017 #13
By challengers I mean the Republicans who raised the one ballot, after recount done...too late. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #15
From Jordan Pascale (per Newport News and Virginia Pilot) rpannier Dec 2017 #9
Good lord James48 Dec 2017 #12
That's a spoiled ballot. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #16
Their Logic Is Pretty Plain, I Think ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #17
I get that argument. And I might buy it if there were more races with an R or a D choice Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #18
Hey, I Would Have Thrown the Ballot Out For That Race ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #21
I think the voter meant to vote a straight Republican party line. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #20
Agreed ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #22
That's a sample ballot. The original appears in earlier threads, both in LBN and in GD. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #19

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,564 posts)
1. Dems to file legal challenge asking court to reconsider 'erroneous' steps that led to tied election
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 06:05 PM
Dec 2017

Thanks, Eugene.

BREAKING: @VAHouseDems ask recount judges to reconsider accepting ballot that created 94th District tie, ask State Board of Elections to delay drawing to pick winner



rpannier

(24,330 posts)
10. Yes and No
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 09:36 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/court-tosses-out-one-vote-victory-in-recount-that-had-briefly-ended-a-republican-majority-in-virginia/2017/12/20/ed979a70-e5b9-11e7-a65d-1ac0fd7f097e_story.html?utm_term=.60ae6ecad226


per the article:

Kenneth Mallory, a paid election official chosen by the Yancey team, had spotted the ballot about halfway through the Tuesday recount. He said he thought the ballot clearly looked like a vote for Yancey, but the other official he was working with — selected by Democrats — disagreed.

“I felt hurried to move on and proceed. I was new to this process, and I was caught up by his argument,” Mallory wrote in a letter to the judges outlining his concerns.

The ballot was tossed aside as invalid, the precinct was wrapped up and the recount moved on. At the end of the day, Republican and Democratic officials alike stated that they were satisfied with the process and outcome.


After talking to Mallory that's when the challenge was filed.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. The judges were only to certify the certification of the election board recount. Did they even
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 06:15 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Tue Dec 26, 2017, 10:19 PM - Edit history (1)

have the power to change a ballot challenged at the last minute AND without notice AND without legal submissions?

onenote

(42,727 posts)
7. Interesting. VA Code section 24.2-802.H says recount proceeding can't be appealed
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 08:47 PM
Dec 2017

H. The recount proceeding shall be final and not subject to appeal.

https://law.justia.com/codes/virginia/2006/toc2402000/24.2-802.html

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
11. Yes. Meaning the complex proceeding recount result can not be appealed. It was.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 10:11 PM
Dec 2017

"H. The recount proceeding shall be final and not subject to appeal."

The court was supposed to certify the recount but did not until after the full procedure for the recount had been done and no further objections. Then at the last minute came a challenge to one ballot. Should be too late, the challengers had a fair hearing.

"At the conclusion of the recount of all precincts, after allowing the parties to inspect the questioned ballots, and after hearing arguments, the court shall rule on the validity of all questioned ballots and votes. After determining all matters pertaining to the recount and redetermination of thevote as raised by the parties, the court shall certify to the State Board andthe electoral board or boards (a) the vote for each party to the recount anddeclare the person who received the higher number of votes to be nominated orelected, as appropriate, or (b) the votes for and against the question and declare the outcome of the referendum."

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,333 posts)
16. That's a spoiled ballot.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 01:02 PM
Dec 2017

I don't see how they give that to the republican.

Their argument might hold water - that the line through the Democratic vote was a cancellation - if the voter hadn't crossed out the Governor vote they claim is their proof of intent to vote republican.

The voter draws lines through the vote they intend to register. Or not.

ProfessorGAC

(65,117 posts)
17. Their Logic Is Pretty Plain, I Think
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 03:25 PM
Dec 2017

Every other race where an R was a choice, that voter picked R. That said, the voter screwed up the ballot for that race and the ballot should not have counted at all for the Assembly seat. The judges appear to have attempted to read minds.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,333 posts)
18. I get that argument. And I might buy it if there were more races with an R or a D choice
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 03:35 PM
Dec 2017

This is hardly an overwhelming preponderance of evidence that they wanted to choose only R.

The fact that they also crossed out the R vote for governor I think sinks that ballot as an over vote

ProfessorGAC

(65,117 posts)
21. Hey, I Would Have Thrown the Ballot Out For That Race
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 05:02 PM
Dec 2017

I think they erred by attempting to read minds, rather than say "We'll just have to discount that race on this ballot, because there is no certainty as to whom the vote was intended."

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,564 posts)
20. I think the voter meant to vote a straight Republican party line.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 03:40 PM
Dec 2017

When he got to the place to make his choice of delegate, he goofed.

That said, he should have asked for a new ballot at the time. Had he done so, he would have saved election officials a lot of trouble.

ProfessorGAC

(65,117 posts)
22. Agreed
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 05:03 PM
Dec 2017

But, since the voter didn't, the judges should have simply said that for this ballot, there is no vote for that office.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,564 posts)
19. That's a sample ballot. The original appears in earlier threads, both in LBN and in GD.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 03:38 PM
Dec 2017

Googling....

Right. Here's the actual ballot:

BREAKING: We obtained the actual ballot submitted to the court.
Dissect away.



The voter should have asked for a replacement ballot at the time. It looks to me as if he meant to vote straight (R) party line. If he had turned in an unspoiled ballot, he would have saved people a lot of time.
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