Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 06:17 PM Dec 2017

IRS says taxpayers trying to use deduction that will be scaled back can prepay 2018 property tax...

Source: The Washington Post




IRS says taxpayers trying to use deduction that will be scaled back can prepay 2018 property taxes only under limited circumstances

By Washington Post Staff December 27 at 5:13 PM

Many Americans have rushed to prepay their 2018 property taxes and save on their federal taxes, hoping to take advantage of a tax deduction that will be scaled back in the new tax law passed by Republicans last week. The Internal Revenue Service confirmed Wednesday that taxpayers will be able to take advantage of the maneuver — but only under limited circumstances.

The IRS said that taxpayers can claim an additional property tax deduction when paying their 2017 taxes if they pay the tax this year and if the local tax authority has notified homeowners prior to 2018 of how much they owe in property taxes, known as a tax assessment. State and local laws vary as to when this occurs.

For individuals who rushed to prepay their property taxes based on estimates about how much they’d owe, the decision could prove a frustration as it may be difficult to cancel those payments. Local tax officials in affected localities will now be forced to interpret the decision for their residents.

This is a developing story. It will be updated.

###

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/12/27/irs-says-taxpayers-trying-to-use-deduction-that-will-be-scaled-back-can-prepay-2018-property-taxes-only-under-limited-circumstances

34 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
IRS says taxpayers trying to use deduction that will be scaled back can prepay 2018 property tax... (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2017 OP
You no good fucking republican motherfuckers. I hope Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #1
Because they know it mostly screws people in blue states IronLionZion Dec 2017 #2
TX and FL are not blue states. Until this gets out. elehhhhna Dec 2017 #3
Let's flip them blue, also Ohio, Wisconsin, and some more high property tax states IronLionZion Dec 2017 #12
I just realized that this would have been great. Igel Dec 2017 #4
was it always legal to do it like this? Skittles Dec 2017 #18
cook county has the option. mopinko Dec 2017 #5
Nope, local tax officials don't determine whether or not you can deduct the 2018 property taxes progree Dec 2017 #6
I wonder if this was figured into... jayfish Dec 2017 #7
Getting an assessment for 2018 taxes will be hard Gothmog Dec 2017 #8
We already have our "2017-2018 Secured Property Tax Bill" here in Orange County, CA. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #28
This part is GOOD! The tax structure has skewed housing to McMansions... 4139 Dec 2017 #9
No, it's deeply unfair to the mostly blue states that tax their residents to support services, pnwmom Dec 2017 #16
Unfair that some rich people wont get as big a tax cut as other rich people? 4139 Dec 2017 #21
When the median house price is more than half a million dollars for a 1300 sq. foot house pnwmom Dec 2017 #22
MEDium home price nationwide is $255,000... only a tiny number of counties are half a million 4139 Dec 2017 #23
The median in Seattle is over $700K. The median in the whole county is $600K pnwmom Dec 2017 #24
It is a straight out hit job on deep blue states BeyondGeography Dec 2017 #26
Property taxes are the key funding source for our public schools. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #30
I wonder how many people will actually hit the threshold AND Hoyt Dec 2017 #10
Wisconsinites will not be able to do this dragonlady Dec 2017 #11
Here in California we don't get next year's property value assessment until late spring... Rollo Dec 2017 #13
By paying the Feb. 1 payment now, most people will stay within the $10K limit for 2018. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #29
Yes, that's another angle... but... Rollo Dec 2017 #32
Yes, you are reaping the Prop. 13 windfall, unlike me...and our schools. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #33
I agree that the loophole in Prop 13 that allows businesses to evade taxes should be closed... Rollo Dec 2017 #34
IMPORTANT: you CANNOT just send in a check... brooklynite Dec 2017 #14
My property taxes are due in January Maeve Dec 2017 #17
Yes, as long as they're logged as due, it doesn't matter if you prepay them. brooklynite Dec 2017 #19
I live in a small town area and the one-person tax office truthisfreedom Dec 2017 #15
Friends here in CA told me their tax attorney advised them to pay their April 2018 taxes this year. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #20
My Florida county sends out property tax bills in October csziggy Dec 2017 #25
I know some clients who are pre-paying 2018 taxes Gothmog Dec 2017 #27
Kick dalton99a Dec 2017 #31

Igel

(35,356 posts)
4. I just realized that this would have been great.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:32 PM
Dec 2017

I could have paid my taxes every two years. Every two years I'd have enough deductions to actually itemize and be able to pay less in taxes.

That's one tax avoidance strategy it's too late to pursue now.

mopinko

(70,208 posts)
5. cook county has the option.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:36 PM
Dec 2017

and it is based on their usual first installment, which is set at 55% of the last year's total.
prolly a good rule of thumb to follow.

progree

(10,918 posts)
6. Nope, local tax officials don't determine whether or not you can deduct the 2018 property taxes
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:41 PM
Dec 2017

in 2017.

For individuals who rushed to prepay their property taxes based on estimates about how much they’d owe, the decision could prove a frustration as it may be difficult to cancel those payments. Local tax officials in affected localities will now be forced to interpret the decision for their residents.


Local officials can interpret the decision til the cows come home, but it won't affect what deductions the IRS allows. If they are talking about local officials allowing people to cancel those payments, then yes, they can do that, but they don't have to "interpret" any IRS decision in order to decide whether to allow people to cancel those payments..

SunSeeker

(51,696 posts)
28. We already have our "2017-2018 Secured Property Tax Bill" here in Orange County, CA.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:17 PM
Dec 2017

We will be putting the check for our property taxes due Feb. 1. 2018 in the mail today, since we already have a return stub with an amount for that. The property tax year runs July to July here; for once I appreciate that quirky fact. And that will assure we stay within the $10,000 limit for property tax deductions in 2018 when we get the "2018-2019 Secured Property Tax Bill" this summer since we will only be deducting the payment due November 1 in 2018.

We will get hosed on the amounts due in 2019 through. Hopefully we flip the House in 2020 and that full deduction comes back.

4139

(1,893 posts)
9. This part is GOOD! The tax structure has skewed housing to McMansions...
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 08:04 PM
Dec 2017

To the detriment of low and moderate income housing.


We all also should be cheering this and the lowering of the interest deduction!

No and, no ifs, or buts!

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
16. No, it's deeply unfair to the mostly blue states that tax their residents to support services,
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:46 PM
Dec 2017

using local income, real estate, and sales taxes, and ALSO provide more Federal tax funds to the Federal government than they receive in Federal services -- with the balance going to poorer, mostly red states.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
22. When the median house price is more than half a million dollars for a 1300 sq. foot house
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 07:05 AM
Dec 2017

then having that house with its big mortgage doesn't make you rich.

Unfortunately, real estate in urban areas is much more expensive -- and that's where most of the jobs are. And foreign buyers who pay all cash and think they're getting a bargain. But people in blue states are also paying more to the Federal government than they get back in services -- so they're helping to support the lower cost states.

4139

(1,893 posts)
23. MEDium home price nationwide is $255,000... only a tiny number of counties are half a million
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 07:20 AM
Dec 2017

Only around DC, NYC and San Fran... maybe a couple others.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
24. The median in Seattle is over $700K. The median in the whole county is $600K
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 07:28 AM
Dec 2017

People with jobs in Seattle are competing to buy houses with foreign buyers who are paying all cash. What are Seattle employees supposed to do? Quit their jobs? They took the jobs and took the mortgages based on a tax system that has been in place for decades. And now they're going to be punished for it.

And people in many cities owe more than $10K in COMBINED income taxes, real estate taxes, and sales taxes. They just happen to live in blue states, which DT is determined to attack.

BeyondGeography

(39,379 posts)
26. It is a straight out hit job on deep blue states
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:05 PM
Dec 2017

And everyone in those states will be affected because all public wealth will be defined down as a result. But as long as your little ox isn’t being gored, no biggie eh?

SunSeeker

(51,696 posts)
30. Property taxes are the key funding source for our public schools.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:40 PM
Dec 2017

Until schools are 100% funded by the federal government, property taxes should be deductible. No ifs, ands or buts.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. I wonder how many people will actually hit the threshold AND
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 08:34 PM
Dec 2017

have the money available to do this ?

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
11. Wisconsinites will not be able to do this
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 09:00 PM
Dec 2017
Milwaukee Deputy Treasurer Jim Klajbor and Wauwatosa Finance Director John Ruggini pointed to a state law that says homeowners can't prepay property taxes until Aug. 1 of the tax year in question.

A spokeswoman for the Wisconsin Department of Revenue, Patricia Mayers, confirmed that the city officials are correct.

Gawenda said that the passage of the federal tax law so late in the year didn't leave time for state legislators to tweak Wisconsin law to adjust to these changes. His own office would have also needed two to four weeks to set up a different system for accepting early prepayments of property taxes, he said.

"It was done in a hurry without a lot of sharing of what was in it," Gawenda said of the federal law. "It's a shame that there wasn't any more time for planning."

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel




Rollo

(2,559 posts)
13. Here in California we don't get next year's property value assessment until late spring...
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 09:48 PM
Dec 2017

However I've already paid 50% on my taxes, sending the tax man the payment already billed and due Feb.1. Usually I delay paying until April 10, the drop dead date, but in some circumstance it's a tax advantage to pay before the end of the year.

Without the next property assessment we can't know exactly how much tax is due, and I understand the local tax authority won't accept them anyway.

There is a limit to how much we can mitigate the tax con that Trump, Ryan, McConnell, and the GOP has inflicted upon middle class.

The best answer is to vote the bastards out of Congress and the White House.

SunSeeker

(51,696 posts)
29. By paying the Feb. 1 payment now, most people will stay within the $10K limit for 2018.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:26 PM
Dec 2017

We will be putting the check for our property taxes due Feb. 1. 2018 in the mail today, since we already have a return stub with an amount for that. The property tax year runs July to July here; for once I appreciate that quirky fact. And that will assure we stay within the $10,000 limit for property tax deductions in 2018 when we get the "2018-2019 Secured Property Tax Bill"; we will only be deducting the payment due Nov. 1, 2018 as our property taxes paid in 2018. That is the best answer right now.

But of course, the best answer ultimately is to vote the bastards out of Congress and the White House.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
32. Yes, that's another angle... but...
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 05:01 PM
Dec 2017

I bought long enough ago that my property taxes, even with annual 2% assessment increases, is still well below $10,000. I prepaid the second installment primarily because I don't expect to be able to itemize going forward due to a combination of low property tax and waning mortgage interest deductions. This way I can guarantee some property tax deduction for the 2017 tax year.. and it will probably be the last year I can itemize.

SunSeeker

(51,696 posts)
33. Yes, you are reaping the Prop. 13 windfall, unlike me...and our schools.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 09:22 PM
Dec 2017

Prop. 13 should not apply to businesses or any artificial entity that can live forever. But don't get me started on Prop. 13.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
34. I agree that the loophole in Prop 13 that allows businesses to evade taxes should be closed...
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:28 AM
Dec 2017

To wit, many businesses have shirked their fair share of business property taxes by creating (or partnering with) real estate firms that hold the business's buildings in perpetuity, which the businesses lease back, thus allowing the business to move and/or expand/contract while retaining an effective low tax assessment that they could not have otherwise achieved if they owned the real estate they operate from.

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
14. IMPORTANT: you CANNOT just send in a check...
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:04 PM
Dec 2017

(my wife is a tex attorney and has studied this)

Your City/County tax office MUST issue an assessment for the taxes you're prepaying.

Maeve

(42,288 posts)
17. My property taxes are due in January
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:58 PM
Dec 2017

so I paid them tonight--that works, as I understand it. Paid three weeks earlier than needed, but deductible.

truthisfreedom

(23,155 posts)
15. I live in a small town area and the one-person tax office
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 10:22 PM
Dec 2017

Was overwhelmed with people doing this today. 25 people.

SunSeeker

(51,696 posts)
20. Friends here in CA told me their tax attorney advised them to pay their April 2018 taxes this year.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:34 AM
Dec 2017

He told them they just need to postmark the property tax payment check in 2017.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
25. My Florida county sends out property tax bills in October
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 11:42 AM
Dec 2017

If you pay in November, you save a significant percentage. Each month, the amount due goes up until it hits the total owed.

We always pay in November so our 2018 property taxes are already paid - though my taxes are far lower than the $10,000 limit. We saved several hundred dollars by paying right away.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»IRS says taxpayers trying...