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OnlinePoker

(5,724 posts)
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 10:42 PM Dec 2017

Two reportedly killed after Iranian forces 'open fire on protestors' as demonstrations continue for

Source: Telegraph

Two people are understood to have been killed after Iranian security forces reportedly opened fire on anti-government demonstrators on Saturday as the largest protests seen in the country since 2009 continued for a third day.

Reports of the two deaths were were posted on social media. There was no official confirmation of the fatalities but the posted images appeared to show several bodies being carried away after clashes with police in the western city in Dorud

Angry protests escalated in cities across Iran as demonstrators tore down posters of Ayatollah Khamenei, the Islamic Republic’s supreme leader, while police on motorbikes charged into crowds swinging batons.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/30/iranian-students-clash-police-tehran-protests-enter-third-day/



Every time it looks like things may be loosening up there, the zealots rear their ugly heads.
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Two reportedly killed after Iranian forces 'open fire on protestors' as demonstrations continue for (Original Post) OnlinePoker Dec 2017 OP
It's a potential counterrevolution. DavidDvorkin Dec 2017 #1
The protests are against the religious leader, not the democratically elected President, a major Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #2
They are protesting both Mosby Dec 2017 #3
The end result may be an IRGC military dictatorship. roamer65 Dec 2017 #4
America and the West are violating their promise to lift all sanctions. Protests are actually Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #7
Iran: protesters will 'pay price' for biggest unrest since 2009 muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #5
CNN showed footage of what appeared to be Iranian forces shooting the protestors oberliner Dec 2017 #6

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. The protests are against the religious leader, not the democratically elected President, a major
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 11:12 PM
Dec 2017

distinction being lost for some reason.

"Angry protests escalated in cities across Iran as demonstrators tore down posters of Ayatollah Khamenei, the Islamic Republic’s supreme leader, while police on motorbikes charged into crowds swinging batons."

"Several dozen students at the University of Tehran protested at the campus gates yesterday and chanted “death to the dictator” in apparent reference to Ayatollah Khamenei."

Mosby

(16,328 posts)
3. They are protesting both
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:12 AM
Dec 2017

On Dec. 10, President Hassan Rouhani presented his budget, which essentially would make life more expensive for citizens and, at the same time, include generous allocations for religious organizations in Iran and elsewhere. The slogan “Not Gaza, Not Lebanon, I Give My Life for Iran” was repeated in the protests across different cities. Many Iranians regard their government’s generous help to the Palestinian Hamas, Lebanese Hezbollah, Syrian Assad regime and Yemeni Houthis as unnecessary and even treasonous.

Despite people’s passion and energy, no one knows what is happening in Iran. Analysts are confused and mostly silent. And the people on the streets are not supporting any individual or group; they have chanted slogans against Rouhani and Khamenei, but unlike in 2009, there are no leaders to guide them.

Rouhani has, at the time of this writing, reportedly gathered his ministers and advisers to assess the situation. So far, Rouhani’s government has managed only to blame the demonstrations on its conservative critics. Rouhani’s vice president has implied that the hard-liners are using people’s economic problems to bring down the government. Some hard-liners have been happy about the anti-Rouhani slogans, but many of them have chastised protesters for chanting slogans against the supreme leader, who is supposed to be a sacred being.

...

The demonstrations have shown the dissatisfaction of Iranians with the regime as a whole — both the so-called pro-reform Rouhani and the conservative Khamenei. Dealing with this outbreak of hatred may unify the regime for a short while, but, inevitably, the factions will start their infighting again. Rouhani and Khamenei have different interests and bases of support. They cannot coexist peacefully and simultaneously cater to their constituencies.

Rouhani cannot ignore the destructive role of the ayatollah’s cohorts in the Revolutionary Guard and their firm grip on the economy. The Guards practically run Iran’s policies in the wider region — including supporting Bashar al-Assad and Hezbollah – and they have made a mockery of Rouhani’s attempts at rapprochement with Iran’s neighbors and the West.

The supreme leader, in turn, cannot satisfy millions of Iranians who want prosperity and freedom and also maintain the support of his fanatic die-hard supporters who have been enjoying power for the past four decades.

...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/12/30/a-second-revolution-in-iran-not-yet/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-f%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.0a81467ca867

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
4. The end result may be an IRGC military dictatorship.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 06:05 AM
Dec 2017

God forbid Soleimani takes control. That will definitely lead to a large Middle East War.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. America and the West are violating their promise to lift all sanctions. Protests are actually
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:20 AM
Dec 2017

against that, in truth. Getting completely distorted media reports after applying the West information filters.

How about keeping these promises since Iran has kept theirs, per UN and all other nations on the planet, including UN inspectors?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,337 posts)
5. Iran: protesters will 'pay price' for biggest unrest since 2009
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 06:14 AM
Dec 2017
Early on Sunday, Iran’s interior minister said protesters’ actions would have consequences. “Those who damage public property, disrupt order and break the law must be responsible for their behaviour and pay the price,” Abdolrahman Rahmani Fazli said on state television.

The two men killed in Doroud have been identified as Hamzeh Lashni and Hossein Reshno, according to an Iranian journalist with the Voice of America’s Persian service who has spoken to their families. Videos posted online showed their bodies on the ground, covered with blood. Another video showed protesters carrying their bodies to safety. At least two others were also reported to have been killed in Doroud, but this could not be independently verified.

Elsewhere, it appeared that the security forces held people back, with sporadic use of teargas. The number of people joining protests increased as night fell, making it difficult for the authorities to target protesters.

“Death to Khamenei” chants, in reference to the country’s supreme leader, featured in many demonstrations. Videos posted on social media from Tehran and at least one other city – Abhar in Zanjan province – showed protesters taking down banners depicting the images of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Such chants and acts of resistance are unprecedented in a country where the supreme leader holds the ultimate authority and criticising him is taboo.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/30/iran-protests-trump-tweets
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. CNN showed footage of what appeared to be Iranian forces shooting the protestors
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 08:15 AM
Dec 2017

With images of bodies on the ground afterwards. That was on New Day right at the top of the hour.

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