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Judi Lynn

(160,586 posts)
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 10:49 PM Dec 2017

FAMILY BOOTED FROM DISNEYLAND FLIGHT OVER FALSE LICE ALLEGATIONS

Source: Newsweek

BY MARIA PEREZ ON 12/30/17 AT 6:33 PM

A Chicago family was kicked off a Southwest Airlines flight to Disneyland because of a lice allegation on Friday.

The Newman family were waiting to board a flight to Santa Ana, California when J Newman’s wife noticed something in their six-year-old daughter’s hair, NBC 5 reported.

“There was some dry skin in my daughter’s hair,” he said. “So, she was just kind of taking it out of my daughter’s hair.”

About half an hour later, the family was approached by a Southwest Airlines gate attendant with the concern that his daughter had lice.

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/lice-southwest-airlines-disneyland-us-766686?piano_t=1

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FAMILY BOOTED FROM DISNEYLAND FLIGHT OVER FALSE LICE ALLEGATIONS (Original Post) Judi Lynn Dec 2017 OP
I hope the airline picked up the hotel bill because if they did not I would be demanding that they cstanleytech Dec 2017 #1
Don't the airlines realize by now that these actions will only result in.. Laffy Kat Dec 2017 #2
+1 nitpicker Dec 2017 #15
OMG! True Dough Dec 2017 #27
Nice to know corporate surveillance is steamrolling along bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #3
hmmm...it sounds like you are trying to avoid suspicion...very suspicious yurbud Dec 2017 #20
Its really important to me to know if this family was African-american. Anon-C Dec 2017 #4
My thought 100%. marble falls Dec 2017 #7
I was wondering the same thing. Chemisse Dec 2017 #18
If they weren't white, the race would definitely be mentioned. nt B2G Dec 2017 #19
same here gopiscrap Dec 2017 #22
It was my understanding during our "lice years" that A-A families don't tend to have lice issues underpants Dec 2017 #26
Why was that ? Did it have to do with texture and it being less likely JI7 Dec 2017 #31
Yes. djg21 Dec 2017 #36
Fake cooties? Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #5
Damnit, Southwest was supposed to be one of the good ones IronLionZion Dec 2017 #6
in what universe are they supposed to be good? getagrip_already Dec 2017 #9
I've always had good experiences with them and I'm brown IronLionZion Dec 2017 #11
With just under 2.5 million miles under my belt, Sailor65x1 Dec 2017 #12
frequent fliers get treated well.... getagrip_already Dec 2017 #17
I'm not talking about how I'm treated Sailor65x1 Dec 2017 #24
Yup, all I ever Fly is Southwest if I can help it ... they're always good-to-great mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #23
Was the flight full? Perhaps some standby wanted the seat. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #8
Odd. I have flow SWA for years, many of which with psoriasis flare ups with no problems Freethinker65 Dec 2017 #10
Well, that's pretty weird, picking stuff out of her daughter's hair and looking thru it. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #13
If you are white with stringy straight hair your assertion might apply. BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #14
I'm over 60. I've certainly been around a lot of races of all different ages. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #25
It doesn't matter how old you are BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #32
Oh, come on. There's a description in the article... Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #37
You apparently have some cultural missing links. BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #39
The only thing you are supposed to pick at in public is your nose snooper2 Jan 2018 #43
Don't forget this BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #44
Or maybe . . djg21 Dec 2017 #33
My reference to "race" BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #34
I agree. This isn't about race. I don't even know the race of the child. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #38
The fact that the impacted family's child did NOT have lice BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #40
I have no idea why you think culture or anything of the kind enters into it. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #41
You are insistent on blaming the victim. BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #42
No doubt, many people believe that cursory examinations of one's children is pretty weird, indeed. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #45
The lice is in your post. milestogo Dec 2017 #16
Flied lice ? OnDoutside Dec 2017 #30
Lice Unca Jim Dec 2017 #21
I hoped someone called the True Dough Dec 2017 #28
lice enid602 Dec 2017 #29
The truth is, as travelers, we don't know what kind of ''creepy crawlers'' surround us. YOHABLO Dec 2017 #35

cstanleytech

(26,303 posts)
1. I hope the airline picked up the hotel bill because if they did not I would be demanding that they
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 10:55 PM
Dec 2017

do it.

Laffy Kat

(16,384 posts)
2. Don't the airlines realize by now that these actions will only result in..
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 10:58 PM
Dec 2017

Terrible press, public apologies, and monetary compensation?

bucolic_frolic

(43,228 posts)
3. Nice to know corporate surveillance is steamrolling along
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 11:02 PM
Dec 2017

Wear dark glasses, keep your hands in your pockets, eyes and ears open, mouth shut.

And don't make any sudden movements.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
4. Its really important to me to know if this family was African-american.
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 11:08 PM
Dec 2017

My Spider Sense is atingle, feeling like the elephant in the room not being discussed.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
18. I was wondering the same thing.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 10:54 AM
Dec 2017

Often, it seems, an article will mention race if they are nonwhite, but have no mention of race if they are white.

But who knows?

underpants

(182,848 posts)
26. It was my understanding during our "lice years" that A-A families don't tend to have lice issues
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 05:11 PM
Dec 2017

This was conveyed to us by both our daycare and co-workers.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
36. Yes.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:20 PM
Dec 2017

“In the United States, infestation with head lice is much less common among African-Americans than among persons of other races, possibly because the claws of the of the head louse found most frequently in the United States are better adapted for grasping the shape and width of the hair shaft of other races.”

https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/lice/head/gen_info/faqs.html

IronLionZion

(45,472 posts)
6. Damnit, Southwest was supposed to be one of the good ones
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 11:30 PM
Dec 2017

I'd really like to know what the Newman family looked like.

getagrip_already

(14,792 posts)
9. in what universe are they supposed to be good?
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 11:58 PM
Dec 2017

southwest has a very old, and very long, history of abusing passengers. From muslims, to mathemeticians, to short skirts and tee shirst they found offensive.

They are among the most authoritarian airlines in the country. And they suck.

IronLionZion

(45,472 posts)
11. I've always had good experiences with them and I'm brown
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:06 AM
Dec 2017

They have always gotten great ratings and customer satisfaction. When I fly somewhere, I look for flights on Southwest first.

 

Sailor65x1

(554 posts)
12. With just under 2.5 million miles under my belt,
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 03:53 AM
Dec 2017

I am happy to tell you this post is nonsense. Did they forget your peanuts or something? Make you wear a pesky seatbelt?

 

Sailor65x1

(554 posts)
24. I'm not talking about how I'm treated
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 04:36 PM
Dec 2017

But rather how I see the airline treat everybody. Absent a very few incidents, this is not a problematic airline.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
23. Yup, all I ever Fly is Southwest if I can help it ... they're always good-to-great
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 03:46 PM
Dec 2017

Never had any serious issues w/their service, policies, etc. Basically, for an airline? They're pretty damn cool. 2 free suitcases, tickets where you can miss your flight and transfer to another without a fee, etc.

Freethinker65

(10,028 posts)
10. Odd. I have flow SWA for years, many of which with psoriasis flare ups with no problems
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:28 AM
Dec 2017

And am pretty sure during the waits at the gate I have scratched my head from time to time and flakes were visible.

In high school I was reported to the school nurse for a possible case of lice. While embarrassing for me and the nurse, it was not that big of a deal. I explained my dermatological condition and after a quick check for nits a sincere apology was given to me and I was back in class within minutes.

SWA blew it big time. Also there is no excuse for making the family wait to fly out two days later. They should have paid for the family to get on a next available flight on an alternate carrier if necessary. A PR nightmare.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. Well, that's pretty weird, picking stuff out of her daughter's hair and looking thru it.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 05:57 AM
Dec 2017

I can see why the other passengers were concerned. It's contagious.

Mothers....if you're going to pick stuff out of your kids' hair, and things like that, go to the restroom. Does she really need to be told that?

I've been around a long time. Never have I ever had to pick anything out of my hair in public, or seen anyone do that. And I've seen some weird things. That activity is consistent with having lice, and it's an unusual thing to do in public for any other reason. Yuk.

The airline made the only decision it could, since it couldn't be confirmed yea or nay, and the airline would have been responsible for other passengers getting lice, if that's what the problem was.




BumRushDaShow

(129,202 posts)
14. If you are white with stringy straight hair your assertion might apply.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 07:03 AM
Dec 2017

But with black hair, particularly in any "natural" style, there is a higher tendency for lint to adhere to the coarser curly strands and it would be ridiculous to haul off to a bathroom to do a quick groom. Doing such has nothing to do with any "lice".

There was no indication in the article what the race of the family was but the assumptions about "hair" are a flashpoint in certain cultures.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
25. I'm over 60. I've certainly been around a lot of races of all different ages.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 05:08 PM
Dec 2017

In all types of places. I've NEVER seen anyone picking stuff out of hair like she was doing. So I can understand the other passengers' concern. It wasn't like a leaf falling on the head, and someone brushed it off. She was digging through the hair to pick out something or something(s), just like you do with lice.

Lesson learned. Do such things in the restroom, and then wash your hands.

BumRushDaShow

(129,202 posts)
32. It doesn't matter how old you are
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 07:36 PM
Dec 2017

and given there wasn't any video of this incident, no one on DU knows what was actually observed. What you think is "lice" might not be interpreted as that by another culture.

Perhaps something similar might be if you come inside from the cold into a dry static environment and pulled off a puffy knit hat and the pills of the yarn stick to your hair, I assume you'd walk around like that.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
37. Oh, come on. There's a description in the article...
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:13 PM
Jan 2018

And it was the passengers, more than one, who expressed concern. Lots of parents are familiar with lice.

My point is merely that it the actions were consistent with a lice issue, so the airline really didn't have a choice, since it couldn't be determined one way or the other. Had the parents gone to the restroom to begin with, none of this would've happened.

And yes, my years of exposure to people in public places IS something that matters. I've been around a lot of different kinds of people in my decades on earth, so I've seen a thing or two that my younger self had not yet seen, or that other younger people have not yet seen.

BumRushDaShow

(129,202 posts)
39. You apparently have some cultural missing links.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jan 2018

"Being around" people is completely different from living in a community with cultural perceptions, expectations, and practices that are completely different from yours. Everyone has "seen a thing or two" that others have not seen and your post is an example of apparently "not having seen" a whole range of things yet insisting you have.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
43. The only thing you are supposed to pick at in public is your nose
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 11:30 AM
Jan 2018

The only thing people around you will be curious about is if you are a wiper or a flicker

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
33. Or maybe . .
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 07:41 PM
Dec 2017

This had nothing to do with race at all (African-Americans generally don’t get lice), and there was a legitimate concern that the child may have had head lice, which could have crawled into the aircraft seating and then onto the unlucky passenger to next sit in the seat occupied by the child. I once got lice after staying at a 5-Star hotel on Central Park. It happens. And I won’t fault the Airline in the absence of evidence that it actually did something wrong.

https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/lice/head/gen_info/faqs.html

BumRushDaShow

(129,202 posts)
34. My reference to "race"
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 08:04 PM
Dec 2017

had to do with cultural perceptions of a particular situation such as this and the assumption of what might be going on. And the fact that AAs are not generally as prone to lice is part of the reason why, but not ALL of the why.

In some cultures, "grooming" is paramount and often done immediately... not unlike seeing a woman's bra strap or slip or clothing tag "showing" and letting them know or gently correcting the malfunction (although nowadays the millennials and younger seem to like that type of thing as a "style" ).

BumRushDaShow

(129,202 posts)
40. The fact that the impacted family's child did NOT have lice
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:36 PM
Jan 2018

is exactly why there are some serious cultural issues in this country, regardless of "race", although they may emanate from certain "races" due to shared belief systems by ethnicity. I.e., "assumptions" are made based on cultural expectations, perceptions, and indoctrination that often can be detrimental to others.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. I have no idea why you think culture or anything of the kind enters into it.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jan 2018

We do not actually know that the child did not have lice. The family says that, but there was no way to determine that at the time. A health provider or someone would need to determine that. The airline could have called a health provider to examine the child, I suppose...I assume the airport has a nurse on call.

I support the airline. They have to be cautious about things like that.

I don't know why you're fixated on culture or race or whatever. I don't know what culture or race they were...but possibility of lice is worldwide. Culture doesn't enter into it. The family didn't claim, "Oh, our culture picks through the heads and hair of people all the time." In fact, to the contrary, the dad said mom was picking through the hair because of big dry skin flake(s). Clearly, there was something about what she did that was NOT just pulling a leaf or object from the hair. It was a procedure that looked like picking out lice.

BumRushDaShow

(129,202 posts)
42. You are insistent on blaming the victim.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:27 AM
Jan 2018

And your comment "Oh, our culture picks through the heads and hair of people all the time." truly exposes a breathtakingly insulting bias.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. No doubt, many people believe that cursory examinations of one's children is pretty weird, indeed.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:08 PM
Jan 2018

"That's pretty weird, picking stuff out of her daughter's hair and looking thru it..."

No doubt, many people believe that cursory examinations of one's children is pretty weird, indeed.

It's also an effective way to rationalize blaming someone for something they are not guilty of, and to ignore that the vast majority (95%+ as per CDC) of lice cases are transferred via hair-to-hair contact only.

It's rather a shame you provide zero objective evidence for your many, many claims.

Consistent, though.

Typical, even.

Yet still rather a shame indeed.

Unca Jim

(556 posts)
21. Lice
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:26 PM
Dec 2017

People just don't understand lice very well. "Highly contagious disease"? Please. Lice can't fly and die off the body in a few hours.

enid602

(8,627 posts)
29. lice
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 05:21 PM
Dec 2017

Now, if it were one of Ivanka's kids scratching his/her head, I can see why the airline officials might be concerned. . .

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
35. The truth is, as travelers, we don't know what kind of ''creepy crawlers'' surround us.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 10:55 PM
Dec 2017

There should have been a better way of handling the situation more discretely.

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