do we have a good Democrat we can support in Utah?

it would be unfortunate it Robmey succeeded him.

What we want, is a Cliven Bundy type. A real embarrassment for the GOP - as well as a well-deserved headache for Bitchy Mitchy.

Had a laugh at your Bundy recommendation. Though the correct religion for Utah, everything else about the Bundy Clan is a non-starter, especially intelligence. Please don't give them any ideas.

Just imagine the field day the press would have if an outright criminal à la Bundy were to clinch the GOP nomination!

Suffice it to say, it would our first real shot at electing a Utah Democrat to the Senate since Ted Moss (who left in 1977).

Cliven Bundy's biggest impediment to running for the Senate from Utah is that he isn't from Utah...scarily enough, a pure state's rights guy like Bundy but not Bundy Himself would do very well in a western-state election.

The more never-trumpers the better, I say.

They get away with it because they're smart enough to field fascists who don't "look" like they are.

But make no mistake: most of today's GOP lawmakers are most definitely neo-fascist (and the few that aren't - like Susan Collins and John McCain - either go along or are on their way out to pasture).

It was a superb strategy, and very well carried out - until now. Their voters, most of them, are no longer content to vote for wolves in sheep's clothing: they are utterly radicalized are want the wolf clothing as well.

That's the chink in the GOP armor. Their base loves it; but it turns off swing voters and just enough old-school conservatives to usher in Democratic victories (case in point: Doug Jones).

I think that if the GOP is left with no choice but to elect rabid, deviant, trashy arsonists like Bundy, it could really turn the tide in our favor - and above all, show them up for what they really are.

We were very lucky that Roy Boy turned out to be a deviant - and that brave women were able to speak out about it. But we can't always count on that kind of luck, unfortunately.

Bannonism doesn't play in Mormon Utah.

Mitt got 75% while Trump only 45% in Utah.

That said, welcome to DU Spouting1horn.

Happy New Year, and All the Best for 2018.

to get to the polls to vote for a person who made his fortune killing American companies and shipping the jobs overseas.

This is why we wont survive ultimately as a nation.

I'm no fan of Mitt, but Hatch is just a complete dementia suffering asshole. He's so old, he predates fire for god's sake. He sucks the round ample ass of Trump making a total fool of himself. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

We shouldn't turn our backs on any opportunity. It's now or never!
Get ready for the blue tsunami.

Romney would win in that matchup though.

and now the media anointing begins----------------------


The same asshole that buys companies and off shores jobs and money that he has made------------------
FUCK YOU Romney


And as for Hatch--------------FUCK YOU, really FUCK YOU


https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/net-worth?cid=N00009869


http://members-of-congress.insidegov.com/l/374/Orrin-G-Hatch

This is Utah. Romney is the prototypical Utah Mormon.

Let's be content that Romney is an asshole, but he will give Trump fits. Unfortunately, he may be exactly what Pence likes.

were to be front page news...they would love him for it!

Link to tweet

WTF? We need to pass a law about this crap. Since when is an 83 yr old allowed to continue to serve? Come on already.

For my 4000th post, I'm still bitching about these political hacks that are lifers on our dime. We need to stop this shit now.
Maybe for once, 45 has done some good...getting the fuckers to retire finally.

ugh. (don't flame me, I'm 58 and can't even get an interview, I know all about discrimination/ageism).

It begs the question: what then should the precise cut-off age be, and on what objective measure is that predicated on?

Or (and I find this to be more likely) will you provide no evidence to support your premise, and simply cling to vague, though trendy cliches in regards to age?

One is term limits. Not a direct age limit, but it will stop people from warming the same chair for 40 years.

Or maybe we need to require a physical and mental health exam to run for election/re-election. No criteria, just a standard exam performed by a military doctor and released to the public. The voters then decide if the person is healthy enough to continue serving. I'd like to see their tax returns too.

we need to get the millionaires out of Congress and have regular folks serve us.

And yes, tax returns and civic knowledge would be helpful too. Actually, I think they should have to pass a civics test or a citizenship test to become Congress members.

If we could end Citizen's United, we could have a congress that serves us and not corporations and millionaires.

of term limits beyond the ballot box, I am fully in favor of election reform that makes it more possible for non-millionaires to run and get elected AND that will make candidates less tied to shilling for dollars when they should be governing and making decisions that aren'y paid for.

I can't find a clip of him being led around and coached by his aides.

But he was long gone, long before he was really gone.

It's clear that we need something in place -

the same as your text? I have to repeat myself just reading your post and it makes me mad that I have to repeat myself these days.

What age would work? I think term limits on Congress would be fair because the POTUS has limits, why not congress?
If I senator is elected before they are 40, then they should HAVE to retire when they are 70. That's fair enough!

30 yrs in government is more than enough.

Most of us out here can't find a job that lasts 30 yrs, (or 3 for that matter) why should government jobs last that long?

30 years in government is more than enough

Two examples out of many I could give you

1. A person joins the army at 18. Serves 16 years. Gets his Master's Degree while in the army (Navy, Air Force, Marines) and moves to the Department of Defense. Using your argument, this person should be forced to retire at the age of 48.
Would you argue that if he/she stayed in the military that at 48 he/she should be forced to retire?

2. My father graduated law school from Berkeley in 1965, at the age of 25. He got a job as a federal prosecutor with the NLRB that same year and became a judge in 1973. By your cut off, he should have been forced to retire at 55, in 1995.

That's a lot of pension money when you include every forced retiree. That's also a lot of knowledge and experience you're insisting must retire.

Would you also include that with state employees? Many states got teacher's (and other state employees) to take early retirement in the 90's because they saw it as a way to keep taxes low. So you had a lot of fifty year old people retiring in their 50's and collecting pensions It is one of the causes of the havoc being imposed on so many state retirement systems.


There are numerous flaws with 30 years in government being the cut off, since many people can get their degree in their early to mid twenties.
If your concern is people finding jobs, instead of cutting the number of government employees (which has been happening almost non-stop since the late 70's), how about expanding some of the agencies, like Justice, Interior?

but I was referring to Congress members only.

You took one word "government" in my post and twisted it to include all government jobs which is not what I meant.
I meant if one is getting elected before 40, they should HAVE to retire by 70 which is older than the 'retirement' age of most companies.

Congress only. The rest of your examples don't apply to my post.

I didn't twist it.
I misunderstood your point
Explanation now understood

is when you can't get elected. People can elect who they want to represent them. Now, obviously that can get ugly, but that is the way it should be.

Just wondering because I see posts on age quite often now. oh dear, I think I replied to the wrong post.

No job should be for life. NONE. See my post above.

75 is a reasonable mandatory retirement age for all government appointees.

But I agree with you; term limits for Congress. But also for every state

has term limits, why not Congress! Of course!

Who has had the same job for 30 yrs? Who?
It's so rare anymore that it's just not feasible to allow it.

romney WILL be kissing trumps ass sooner rather than later...this is not good news, just news.

For Senator in 2018

Not a single one..

Link to tweet

Mitt's coming...

and there's nothing we can do....to stop him.

Replaced by another

they're treating this seat like Mormon Royalty

Mitts is on the rebound? Just when you think it can't get any worse

really is!

I hardly see Mitt though not supporting Pussygrabber's basic agenda since it will be full of stuff he normally supports, but I can see Donald actively trying to sabotage Romney's campaign, especially in the primary and maybe even in the general election, the consequences be damned.

TlalocW

Ryan couldn't stand Trump.
Now all is forgiven.

are your going to work with the sexual predator, "if" you get elected.....................or are you full of SHIT


I think your full of SHIT, because......................you have no principles, and you will vote along party lines , after all you said this..........................remember...................and you even went and had a dinner with him to be Sec. of State---------------your memory is really short, your just another fucking right wing hypocrite

He should run.

I wouldn't be surprised if he runs for President in 2020. That ballroom election night celebration was a disgusting example of his idea of America.

Stepping stone....

Will talk a lot about how he disagrees with Trump and will be super vocal, but at the end of the day, he'll fall in line and vote for everything in the Republican agenda.

The Senator Pro Tempore is the member of the majority party with the longest service. Right now the longest serving Democrat is Patrick Leahy of Vermont who started in January, 1975.

Just thought longest serving.

Especially, when it means - my life now - isn't worth spit.

..held by a GOP...and if old orrin drops dead midterm then the seats safe.

I think we would have Mitt’s vote for removal when Mueller’s report comfirms what we know to be true.

If Pence and Ryan get taken out by the Russian investigation for collusion, that would make Mitt Romney president. That's what I think this is all about. Keeping the presidency in Republican hands after the shit hits the fan.

I have been eyeing the chain of succession and I thought it would go Pence, Ryan, then McConnell, but it IS Hatch. I wonder if he is involved with Russia too since so many are. After him would be Tillerson had we all know how Mr. Exxon thinks ($$$$$$$$$$$$$ even more so with him than the rest of the GOP, if that's even possible).

President pro tem of the Senate is the person in the majority party with the longest service in the Senate.

Once Hatch is gone, I don't know who that would be, but it wouldn't be anyone just starting out in the Senate.

President Pro Tem is 4th, after VP and Speaker of the House.

"Trump got it wrong. I released back taxes in January '12, early in primary process, just like he should do."

"Taxes for last four years are still being audited. There are more bombshells or he would release them."

"No legit reason why Donald Trump can't release them while being audited, but if scared, released earlier returns not under audit."

"Methinks the Donald doth protest too much. Show voters your back taxes."

"He's playing the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat."

"Here's what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university."

and not Obama after all. I could live with that.

I think he'd look much more dapper with a chainsaw hand.

Buh-Bye.

Roy Moore could relocate to Utah and Donald endorse him again, against Romney

Those multiple-wife types like 'em young too.
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