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Eugene

(61,964 posts)
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 08:28 PM Jan 2018

Trump threatens to cut US aid to Palestinians to force peace talks

Source: Associated Press

Donald Trump on Tuesday appeared to threaten to cut off US aid money to the Palestinian Authority, saying they were no longer willing to negotiate.

Trump, in a pair of tweets, said the US paid “the Palestinians HUNDRED (sic) OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year and get no appreciation or respect. They don’t even want to negotiate a long overdue … peace treaty with Israel.”

He added: “We have taken Jerusalem, the toughest part of the negotiation, off the table, but Israel, for that, would have had to pay more. But with the Palestinians no longer willing to talk peace, why should we make any of these massive future payments to them?”

Trump infuriated many in the Middle East when he announced late last year the US would consider Jerusalem the capital of Israel and move its embassy there.

-snip-

Associated Press
Tue 2 Jan ‘18 23.50 GMT


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/03/trump-threatens-cut-aid-palestinians-peace-talks

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Trump threatens to cut US aid to Palestinians to force peace talks (Original Post) Eugene Jan 2018 OP
He doesnt know what he is doing, he is following what Bannon is telling him to do, Bannon Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #1
2 things Botany Jan 2018 #2
He is a dangerous and ignorant man. madaboutharry Jan 2018 #3
Indeed. iluvtennis Jan 2018 #8
Tough choice: Send the $ directly to Bibi or send it to his wife's account. mpcamb Jan 2018 #4
Yeah, this will work. Scurrilous Jan 2018 #5
Nothing else has worked. Igel Jan 2018 #6
It might be pointless pushing, but it's saner than sending them $$$ appal_jack Jan 2018 #15
Whatever he's doing he is saying it on Twitter JonLP24 Jan 2018 #16
Doesn't Congress appropriate funds for foreign aid? oberliner Jan 2018 #7
Thats what President Jackson said about the ,,, Cryptoad Jan 2018 #9
He's insane, you know. MrScorpio Jan 2018 #10
He's the world's most bumbling statesman. C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #11
He thinks US funding should be negotiated as bribes. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #12
Isn't that what foreign aid of this sort is? leftynyc Jan 2018 #22
Sure, because using more violence against people trapped under the whims procon Jan 2018 #13
Is cutting aid "violence"? EX500rider Jan 2018 #14
Deliberately denying people basic aid is torture. procon Jan 2018 #17
So all the countries who aren't sending aid to Palestine are guilty of torture? EX500rider Jan 2018 #18
Why do you defend such selective ethnic cruelty and inhumanity? procon Jan 2018 #20
I have seen way too much support of Trumps decisions regarding Israel here JonLP24 Jan 2018 #21
No, if Palestine has a big earthquake I am fine with sending them aid. EX500rider Jan 2018 #27
Then its long past time to stop using the taxpayer's money to procon Jan 2018 #28
Except one is democratic ally and the other isn't. EX500rider Jan 2018 #29
No, its only "democratic" for some, but its mass discrimination for other peoples. procon Jan 2018 #31
Can't they just get the aid from somewhere else Yupster Jan 2018 #19
Good question leftynyc Jan 2018 #23
Probably our choice treestar Jan 2018 #25
It will force something but it won't be peace. nt Javaman Jan 2018 #24
Following Putin's orders again. lark Jan 2018 #26
Yeah, that'll work.... Xolodno Jan 2018 #30

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
1. He doesnt know what he is doing, he is following what Bannon is telling him to do, Bannon
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 08:30 PM
Jan 2018

and that prick over in Israel.

He isnt qualified, you see, to decide who gets to go on a lunch break first over at your local 711 store, let alone this.

He really , actually isnt.

madaboutharry

(40,231 posts)
3. He is a dangerous and ignorant man.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 08:39 PM
Jan 2018

A Clear and Present Danger not only to the United States, but the entire planet.

25th Amendment.

Igel

(35,362 posts)
6. Nothing else has worked.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 09:05 PM
Jan 2018

But the idea of pushing the PA to do much of anything seems pointless.

They went to the IC; this, of course, triggered closure of their mission. Strictly speaking, the only way to avoid that was to have substantive talks with Israel. The law was conveniently ignored until 2017. "Expediency over compliance" was the name of the game, not "it's the law of the land."

So they terminated diplomatic contact. And then Trump didn't waive the change of US embassy location that Congress mandated in the mid '90s.

They complained more, so now he's threatening to withhold funds. That'll be interesting, because the official PA position in the past was that the US gave the Palestinians no money. It goes through a UN organization, so in a strictly technical sense that's true. But it's earmarked, so "strictly technical sense" here is a weasly way of saying "false." So the question is, will the PA say, "What funds?" or will they protest?

But what's the requirement for restoration of the yet-to-be-withheld funds?

Substantive talks with Israel. Bringing us back to the first ordered pair of events.

Perhaps the next round will start off with, "But the PA has no legitimately elected officials to negotiate with." Or perhaps they'll protest Trump by cancelling Easter celebrations in Bethlehem. Because nothing hurts Trump like cancelling the festivities of people who dislike him and hurting local tourism.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
15. It might be pointless pushing, but it's saner than sending them $$$
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:10 AM
Jan 2018

I know Trump is a deranged loon, but his no-nonsense approach to the the undemocratic intransigence of both the Palestinian Authority and Pakistan is refreshing. Prior administrations from both Parties have not seen much success from continuing "How Things Were Done," fwiw.

-app

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
9. Thats what President Jackson said about the ,,,
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 09:23 PM
Jan 2018

Southeast Amer Indians before he rounded them up and marched them a thousand miles!

C_U_L8R

(45,022 posts)
11. He's the world's most bumbling statesman.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 09:51 PM
Jan 2018

What a hack. Trump is a world-class idiot who has no idea how to make a real deal.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
12. He thinks US funding should be negotiated as bribes.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 10:08 PM
Jan 2018

The way he does business in a number of countries he does licensing and promotions in.

Or launders money in for his financiers.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. Isn't that what foreign aid of this sort is?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 08:35 AM
Jan 2018

Trump isn't the first to reward "good" behavior and punish "bad" behavior. What exactly has the benefits to the US been for the $368 million we gave to UNRWA last year? Sometimes we give money for purely humanitarian reasons (like after earthquakes, tsunamis, etc) but mostly it's not.

procon

(15,805 posts)
13. Sure, because using more violence against people trapped under the whims
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 10:21 PM
Jan 2018

of military occupation forces has always been so effective in every country who tries the same tactic.

procon

(15,805 posts)
17. Deliberately denying people basic aid is torture.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:30 AM
Jan 2018

If someone said they would make your children slowly starve to death without food or water, and make sure your elderly kin would suffer for a long time without any medicare, would you see those outcomes as any less an act of cruel "violence" than killing them outright?

EX500rider

(10,877 posts)
18. So all the countries who aren't sending aid to Palestine are guilty of torture?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 02:06 AM
Jan 2018

I don't think so, indifference and torture not the same thing.

procon

(15,805 posts)
20. Why do you defend such selective ethnic cruelty and inhumanity?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:10 AM
Jan 2018

The topic at hand is Trump, not other countries. His decision to use extortion and retaliation to get his way is motivated by his extremist views and hatred of Muslims.

If the people needing succor and humanitarian aid were earthquake victims in Italy would you be equally as "indifferent" and willing to deprive them of aid money as you are with people of Palestine?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
21. I have seen way too much support of Trumps decisions regarding Israel here
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:09 AM
Jan 2018

I have big concerns here because unlike most things Trump has a plan regarding Israel.

Just after Trump became President, Papadopoulos visited Israel and told settlers in the West Bank that Trump supported their settlements.

On January 22, 2017, shortly following Trump's inauguration as President, Papadopoulos met with the head of Israel's Shomron Regional Council, Yossi Dagan, in Washington D.C. Papadopoulos was reported to have communicated to Dagan the Trump administration's desire to work closely with Israel on the question of settlements.[41]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Papadopoulos

EX500rider

(10,877 posts)
27. No, if Palestine has a big earthquake I am fine with sending them aid.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:39 PM
Jan 2018

But we don't have to support them any more then any other country has to.

procon

(15,805 posts)
28. Then its long past time to stop using the taxpayer's money to
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:29 PM
Jan 2018

support the Israeli occupation forces and their oppressive political policies of land grabbing and discriminatory apartheid tactics that makes it necessary for the subjugated people of Palestine to depend on humanitarian aid for their basic survival.

If cutting aid to Palestine is supposed to be good for peace, then stopping the billions of US dollars that we hand over to Israel should likewise motivate them to negotiate a peaceful solution as well, yeah?

procon

(15,805 posts)
31. No, its only "democratic" for some, but its mass discrimination for other peoples.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:33 PM
Jan 2018

Look, the US is allied with many countries that are not democracies, so you're just repeating someone else's talking points without thinking that it's not a particularly erudite argument. In the ME region, we are allied with our good pals, Saudi Arabia, hardly the poster child of democratic ideals. We also give aid and support to countries that are not exactly our friends because it has always been in our best interests to hold out the hand of friendship to block our Russian and Chinese opponents who are also competing for the hearts and minds (and the riches of untapped natural resources) of impoverished third world nations.



Yupster

(14,308 posts)
19. Can't they just get the aid from somewhere else
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 02:29 AM
Jan 2018

besides America?

How did the US become the required provider of the Palestinian people|

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. Good question
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 08:37 AM
Jan 2018

I see that after 6 hours, nobody has seen fit to answer it. Where are the Saudi's, the Gulf States, the EU? The US gave fully 1/4 of the entire budget for UNRWA last year. Why?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
25. Probably our choice
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 10:23 AM
Jan 2018

We seem to want to run the world. And be looked to as the world leader. Something goes wrong anywhere, and it was immediately Obama's problem and Obama who was not doing enough. R Presidents can't wait to get involved.

lark

(23,166 posts)
26. Following Putin's orders again.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:24 AM
Jan 2018

Russia wants us to be seen worldwide as the bad guy, wants us to destroy relationships & agreements so they can go in and establish themselves as the top dogs, the mover and shaker. I'm sure the decision to move the US embassy was also demanded by Putin. All of his cabinet hate this idea and tried to talk him out of it, but he's obeying his master, Putin, and doesn't give a shit about what this causes.

Xolodno

(6,406 posts)
30. Yeah, that'll work....
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:58 PM
Jan 2018

...until the PA seeks "aid" somewhere else.

As long as we were feeding them the carrot, they had to at least begrudgingly follow along. But with the embassy move, cut aide, etc. The US has effectively removed itself as broker.

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