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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:16 AM Jan 2018

Supreme Court refuses to hear challenge to Miss. LGBT law

Source: The Hill

BY LYDIA WHEELER - 01/08/18 10:08 AM EST

The Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear two cases challenging a Mississippi law that allows businesses and government employees to deny services to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people based on their religious beliefs.

The court’s refusal to hear the case leaves in tact the law, known as HB 1523, that says the state government will not take any discriminatory action against persons who don’t believe in gay marriage, homosexuality and transgenderism.

LGBT rights groups called the law the “worst in the nation” and the Supreme Court’s decision a “missed opportunity.” “The Court’s inaction today means that LGBTQ Mississipians will continue to face harassment and discrimination,” Masen Davis, CEO of Freedom for All Americans, said in a statement.

“HB 1523 fails to honor the tradition of religious freedom in America - instead, it allows people to use religion as a license to discriminate. The LGBTQ community remains in harm’s way every single day that this law is in effect, and we are committed to working with our legal partners to strike this draconian measure once and for all.”

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Read more: http://thehill.com/regulation/367891-supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-challenge-to-miss-lgbt-law

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Supreme Court refuses to hear challenge to Miss. LGBT law (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2018 OP
Damn. We are going backwards faster than I ever imagined we would. Laurian Jan 2018 #1
The damage in a year has been stunning. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #6
RepubliCons packing benches with Con judges. This nation is NOT right wing. It is progressive. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #19
Religion was excuse for slavery, then racism, then sexism. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #2
I think these others couldn't exist with out the driver of it all, Manifest Destiny nolabels Jan 2018 #12
I thought this was settled years ago. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #3
Actually not. J_William_Ryan Jan 2018 #13
HB1523 is loaded with bias language SharonClark Jan 2018 #4
Full text exboyfil Jan 2018 #10
this is horrible steve2470 Jan 2018 #5
Actually, at least one, and probably more than one of those Justices absolutely did agree to this. onenote Jan 2018 #23
Someone needs to be injured ... GeorgeGist Jan 2018 #7
I am shocked they don't have a plaintiff yet exboyfil Jan 2018 #11
Even then Gorsuch doesn't care. He ruled that a truck driver should freeze to death rather than Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #20
This should open the floodgates bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #8
"Missed Opportunity"? Scalded Nun Jan 2018 #9
While I agree the law is abhorent read the full text of the article jgmiller Jan 2018 #14
I saw. I sighed. I realized. Headline not true. Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #15
I've always wondered that too jgmiller Jan 2018 #18
So how do you punish Mississippi? TlalocW Jan 2018 #16
Remedy: boycott, boycott, boycott no_hypocrisy Jan 2018 #17
It's only going to get worse if Dems don't take back the Senate. Cattledog Jan 2018 #21
The Supreme Court refusal to hear the case relates to a narrow procedural issue only onenote Jan 2018 #22

CrispyQ

(36,502 posts)
6. The damage in a year has been stunning.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jan 2018

If he serves out his term, the justice department won't be recognizable.

Post this far & wide:

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,033 posts)
19. RepubliCons packing benches with Con judges. This nation is NOT right wing. It is progressive.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:24 PM
Jan 2018

The judiciary is being badly skewed because of a stolen election which includes the gerrymandering problem.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,033 posts)
2. Religion was excuse for slavery, then racism, then sexism.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jan 2018

Last edited Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)


(on edit: another poster writes that this case was not accepted plaintiffs did not have standing.)

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
12. I think these others couldn't exist with out the driver of it all, Manifest Destiny
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 12:37 PM
Jan 2018
"Manifest Destiny held that the United States was destined—by God, its advocates believed—to expand its dominion and spread democracy and capitalism across the entire North American continent."

quoted from History.com

or whatever they call it today from greed to profit motive or you name it. A concept drilled into our head starting in kindergarten

mountain grammy

(26,644 posts)
3. I thought this was settled years ago.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:27 AM
Jan 2018

Romer v. Evans, 517 U.S. 620 (1996), is a landmark United States Supreme Court case dealing with sexual orientation and state laws. It was the first Supreme Court case to address gay rights since Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), when the Court had held that laws criminalizing sodomy were constitutional.[1]
The Court ruled in a 6–3 decision that a state constitutional amendment in Colorado preventing protected status based upon homosexuality or bisexuality did not satisfy the Equal Protection Clause.[2] The majority opinion in Romer stated that the amendment lacked "a rational relationship to legitimate state interests", and the dissent stated that the majority "evidently agrees that 'rational basis'—the normal test for compliance with the Equal Protection Clause—is the governing standard".[2][3] The state constitutional amendment failed rational basis review.[4][5][6][7]

The decision in Romer set the stage for Lawrence v. Texas (2003), where the Court overruled its decision in Bowers,[1] for the Supreme Court ruling striking down Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act in United States v. Windsor (2013), and for the Court's ruling striking down state bans on same-sex marriage in Obergefell v. Hodges (2015). Justice Anthony Kennedy authored all four opinions, and was joined by Justices Breyer and Ginsburg in every one.

Contents [hide]
1 Passage of Amendment 2
2 Proceedings in state court
3 U.S. Supreme Court ruling
4 Dissenting opinion
5 Scholarly commentary
6 Related cases and events
7 See also
8 References
9 Further reading
10 External links

From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romer_v._Evans

J_William_Ryan

(1,756 posts)
13. Actually not.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 12:40 PM
Jan 2018

The Mississippi law concerns public accommodations with regard to the Commerce Clause, not the 14th Amendment.

The Court has not ruled on the constitutionality of private businesses refusing to accommodate patrons based on sexual orientation.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
4. HB1523 is loaded with bias language
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:31 AM
Jan 2018

"State government will not take any discriminatory action aganst persons who don't believe in..."

Unbelievable.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
10. Full text
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:51 AM
Jan 2018

SECTION 2. The sincerely held religious beliefs or moral convictions protected by this act are the belief or conviction that:

(a) Marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman;

(b) Sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage; and

(c) Male (man) or female (woman) refer to an individual's immutable biological sex as objectively determined by anatomy and genetics at time of birth.


To have such a broad carve out for "sincerely held religious beliefs".

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
5. this is horrible
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:35 AM
Jan 2018

I hope this law is repealed in MS asap, and I hope another case reverses this horrible decision by SCOTUS. I know Kagan, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Breyer did not agree to this.

onenote

(42,748 posts)
23. Actually, at least one, and probably more than one of those Justices absolutely did agree to this.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:29 PM
Jan 2018

It only takes four justices to grant a petition for certiorari. The fact that the petitions were denied means that at least one of those four did not support hearing the case.

In all likelihood, it wasn't just one of them. The issue raised by the petition did not go to the issue of whether the Mississippi law violated the Constitution or was otherwise unlawful. It went solely to the question of whether these particular petitioners had "standing" to bring the case. Even the liberal wing of the Court adheres to the requirement of a showing of standing. While separate statements on the denial of petitions for certiorari are the exception, if there was a close division in the court on this case, I would have expected to see a separate statement from one of the Justices. The absence of a separate statement is a further indication that this wasn't considered a close call.

GeorgeGist

(25,322 posts)
7. Someone needs to be injured ...
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:45 AM
Jan 2018

before the court will give a shit.

“We do not foreclose the possibility that a future plaintiff may be able to show clear injury-in-fact that satisfies the 'irreducible constitutional minimum of standing,' but the federal courts must withhold judgment unless and until that plaintiff comes forward.”

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
11. I am shocked they don't have a plaintiff yet
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:56 AM
Jan 2018

It basically gives carte blanche to everyone in the state to discriminate in any matter related to interactions with anyone from the LGBQT community. This includes official state and private personal interactions.

You shouldn't have to have standing for legislation so in conflict with prior SC decisions - that is unless you plan to overturn those decisions.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,033 posts)
20. Even then Gorsuch doesn't care. He ruled that a truck driver should freeze to death rather than
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:31 PM
Jan 2018

Gorsuch ruled that a truck driver should freeze to death rather than break a company rule about leaving a trailer beside the highway.

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
9. "Missed Opportunity"?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:51 AM
Jan 2018

Nothing missed at all.

We are only beginning to see the payoff for stacking the SCOTUS. Expect much worse to come from this reprehensible SCOTUS majority.

jgmiller

(395 posts)
14. While I agree the law is abhorent read the full text of the article
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jan 2018

The appeals court overturned the lower court based on standing, the supreme court is simply agreeing the original plantiffs had no damages from the law. Also remember the court is currently deliberating the CO cake designer case they are not going to take another case that is essentially the same thing while they haven't even issued a ruling on the current case.

If the court rules against the cake maker then the MS law can be challenged on it's constitutionality based on the new precsendent. If they rule for cake maker then someone who was discriminated under the MS law can sue again.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. I saw. I sighed. I realized. Headline not true.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 12:51 PM
Jan 2018

No choice but to dismiss based on standing...why is an elementary principal of law so often overlooked? Should have been no problem getting a plaintiff actually harmed.

jgmiller

(395 posts)
18. I've always wondered that too
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:19 PM
Jan 2018

when I read about a case being rejected for standing and it was so patently obvious. Why are they wasting the courts time, if they really want to bring the suit then find someone that is clearly harmed, it shouldn't be that hard.

TlalocW

(15,389 posts)
16. So how do you punish Mississippi?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 12:58 PM
Jan 2018

When Arizona went after Hispanics, groups moved their conferences to other states, businesses left, and new businesses stayed away costing the state billions of dollars. Is anything even feasible with a state like Mississippi, which doesn't have a lot to offer in the first place that can be boycotted?

A year or so ago, the evangelicals there were upset that some business owners were putting up stickers in their windows that said they served everyone, claiming it was somehow an attack on their religious freedom. I've often thought that instead of those stickers which are bought due to the desires of the business owner, there should be a law that says that you CAN discriminate in your business based on religious grounds. Every business has to fill out a form stating whether or not they want to, and stickers are issued accordingly. Any of the religious jerks object, ask them why they're so shy in defending what God wants, etc. Then wait for those businesses to go under as more people frequent the friendly businesses - even in Mississippi, where the younger generations don't hold truck with the older generation currently in power over LGBTQ issues.

TlalocW

onenote

(42,748 posts)
22. The Supreme Court refusal to hear the case relates to a narrow procedural issue only
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:23 PM
Jan 2018

Before people lose their minds over this, please understand that the question before the Supreme Court, as posed by the petitioners seeking Supreme Court review, was a narrow procedural one: namely, whether the petitioners had "standing" to bring the case.

As the petitioners in Southern Equality v. Bryant put it the question presented was: "Do petitioners have standing to
challenge HB 1523 on the grounds that it violates the Establishment Clause?"

For those who may not recall, standing can and often is a barrier to litigants. It was what stopped most of the birther cases in their tracks.

To get review, only four justices would have had to support hearing the case. The fact that the petition didn't get four justices and the further fact that no justice wrote a separate opinion (something that isn't typical, but sometimes occurs when there is a deep division in the court) suggests that this wasn't a particularly close call, even for the liberal wing of the court.




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