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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,567 posts)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:03 PM Jan 2018

Apple Plans $350 Billion Boost to U.S. Economy Over 5 Years, 20,000 New Jobs, and a New Campus

Source: Apple press release, via MacRumors

Apple Plans $350 Billion Boost to U.S. Economy Over 5 Years, 20,000 New Jobs, and a New Campus

Wednesday January 17, 2018 10:28 am PST by Juli Clover

Apple today highlighted its plan to to bolster the U.S. economy (1) through job creation, existing investments, and new investments, with the company on target to contribute $55 billion to the economy in 2018 and $350 billion over the course of the next five years. ... Along with its $350 billion contribution through direct employment, investment with domestic suppliers, and the App Store economy, Apple will increase its Advanced Manufacturing Fund (2) from $1 billion to $5 billion.

The Advanced Manufacturing Fund is designed to create jobs in the United States through investments in Apple suppliers. Apple has already invested $200 million in Corning, (3) maker of Gorilla Glass, and $390 million in Finisar, a supplier that makes vertical-cavity surface-emitting laser (VCSEL) components found in the iPhone X's True Depth camera.
....

Apple plans to repatriate much of its overseas profits and expects to pay taxes of $38 billion when doing so, which Apple says is likely to be the largest payment of this kind ever made. That tax payment, combined with its U.S. investments and planned capital expenditures, will account for $75 billion of its projected $350 billion contribution. ... Apple will be paying 15.5 percent in taxes to repatriate its overseas cash, suggesting the company plans to repatriate approximately $245 billion, or nearly all of its foreign money.

Apple will create 20,000 new jobs and spend $30 billion hiring new employees at its existing campus and opening a new campus. Apple has a new campus in the works that will "initially house technical support for customers." Its location will be announced later in the year.

(1) https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/01/apple-accelerates-us-investment-and-job-creation/

(2) https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/03/tim-cook-manufacturing-fund-mad-money/

(3) https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/12/apple-awards-corning-manufacturing-fund-investment/

Read more: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/17/apple-350-billion-us-economy-boost/



Full disclosure: I own shares of APPL, and I have a bunch of Mac computers, and Airports, and monitors, and printers at home.

Woo-hoo; way to go, militant homosexual agenda!
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Apple Plans $350 Billion Boost to U.S. Economy Over 5 Years, 20,000 New Jobs, and a New Campus (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 OP
I didn't know so many Trump supporters were Mac users jmowreader Jan 2018 #1
Very good news highmindedhavi Jan 2018 #2
Also, looks like Apple may repatriated 200+ Billion. Trumpsters will take credit. Hoyt Jan 2018 #3
Well, that's a welcome act. byronius Jan 2018 #4
I agree, it's a good thing. But apparently it is due to tax cut provisions. So, we'll have to listen Hoyt Jan 2018 #5
Seems unlikely its specifically because of tax cut angrychair Jan 2018 #6
Well, only having to pay 15.5% vs. 35% of profits seems like a big incentive to me. Hoyt Jan 2018 #11
The tax implications are obvious angrychair Jan 2018 #16
Ah. Thanks for the insight. Did not know that. byronius Jan 2018 #7
I've been a Mac user for years but this kind of pisses me off. This could've been done... brush Jan 2018 #26
Trump will take credit for it. SpankMe Jan 2018 #8
Trump also takes credit for the Yellowstone super volcano not erupting today. apnu Jan 2018 #9
when it does erupt, expect him to blame Democrats 0rganism Jan 2018 #13
I do (nt) apnu Jan 2018 #14
Well, Apple took Iowa for about $200 million in tax abatements, free utilities and rurallib Jan 2018 #10
Not a wet blanket BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #12
Yep, fuck em maxrandb Jan 2018 #15
Crumbs . . . MichMary Jan 2018 #18
Well...."alot" of the people getting those Wally World bonuses.... Bengus81 Jan 2018 #21
We should boycott ANY corporation maxrandb Jan 2018 #29
This is so misleadingly packaged. liberal_patriot_md Jan 2018 #17
Yeah well,I belive stuff like this when I see RESULTS,not some PR statement...... Bengus81 Jan 2018 #19
Coming soon - $1,000 bonuses!!!! hatrack Jan 2018 #20
I guess I wouldn't MichMary Jan 2018 #22
Neither would I, but it's a Band-aid on a traumatic amputation . . . hatrack Jan 2018 #23
Even many middle class people MichMary Jan 2018 #24
Oh, that's definitely part of it, and I've known plenty of people like that . . . hatrack Jan 2018 #25
Foxconn has presented the same thing here in Wi. old guy Jan 2018 #27
a snip from the PR RussBLib Jan 2018 #28
well, I didn't have to dig too far RussBLib Jan 2018 #30

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
1. I didn't know so many Trump supporters were Mac users
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:07 PM
Jan 2018

Recommend not reading the comments...it's All MAGA All The Time.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. I agree, it's a good thing. But apparently it is due to tax cut provisions. So, we'll have to listen
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:06 PM
Jan 2018

to cheers from trumpsters and the orange buffoon himself. That part sucks.

angrychair

(8,732 posts)
6. Seems unlikely its specifically because of tax cut
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:40 PM
Jan 2018

You don’t announce a decision to move around hundreds of billions of dollars and change your manufacturing model because of a tax cut signed little more than a couple weeks ago...a deeper dive is needed but there is more to that story than a tax cut...one possibility is that the Chinese are becoming much more interested in promoting and advocating for native Chinese businesses and creating tougher and tougher barriers to entry and day-to-day business for outside companies or even for vendors of outside vendors. It’s been a noted trend developing over the last couple of years.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Well, only having to pay 15.5% vs. 35% of profits seems like a big incentive to me.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:59 PM
Jan 2018

They aren't changing their manufacturing model, only what they do with the money generated.

Besides, explain it to the dolts who voted for trump and GOPers that dominate Congress and most state government. Good luck with getting that message across to them, which is my point. trump will take credit, we'll scream and whine, but the dolts will say yeah trump is making America great and white again. You watch.

angrychair

(8,732 posts)
16. The tax implications are obvious
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 08:36 PM
Jan 2018

But a decision of this magnitude would have been months in the making. I agree there could have been a plan A or B or C depending on legislation outcome but tax cuts alone are not significant in the big picture for them. I just believe there were several factors in play here...it’s never that straight forward.

byronius

(7,398 posts)
7. Ah. Thanks for the insight. Did not know that.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:41 PM
Jan 2018

I want Apple to be the better corp. But. Money and power, power and money.

And developing primates.

Can we just skip the Eugenics Wars and get to the Federation already? Sheesh. Slow.

brush

(53,815 posts)
26. I've been a Mac user for years but this kind of pisses me off. This could've been done...
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 04:08 PM
Jan 2018

during the Obama admin.

The tax scam is, IMO, an excuse not the reason for this move.

Apple has billions off-shored and an army of accountants that makes sure they pay minimal taxes.

I'm disappointed in the company as trump will be crowing about it all the way to the 2018 elections.

This actually might help repugs keep the house and senate.

Isn't Tim Cook supposed to be a liberal?

Again, this could've been done during the Obama admin.

SpankMe

(2,963 posts)
8. Trump will take credit for it.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:41 PM
Jan 2018

I don't want Trump to take credit for every little bit of corporate success that happens on his watch - even if these victories were hatched before he even got "elected". But, I guess we can't expect all businesses to defer growth until after the orange tide has receded.

But, one would hope the leaders of those companies would clarify what factors were involved so the record shows that Trump really didn't help at all.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
9. Trump also takes credit for the Yellowstone super volcano not erupting today.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:46 PM
Jan 2018

Any anything else positive he can grab.

He's still taking a victory lap about the Stock Market when the Market hasn't felt any of his policies yet because they haven't passed or change a thing. The economy is running on Obama auto-pilot right now, but the stupid orange one thinks its all his doing.

Trump is also taking credit for North Korea and South Korea talking today while ignoring that him and his State Department have been so incompetent, both countries are running around us and cutting us out of all that in totality.

Tomorrow he'll take credit for water being wet and oxygen as a vital component to life as we know it on this planet.

0rganism

(23,962 posts)
13. when it does erupt, expect him to blame Democrats
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jan 2018

"Why no wall? My wall would have protected us all from the lava! Democrats prevent, angry about election loss. Sad"

rurallib

(62,433 posts)
10. Well, Apple took Iowa for about $200 million in tax abatements, free utilities and
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:55 PM
Jan 2018

other giveaways from local and state governments when they decided to site a center near Des Moines.

Last I heard state and local governments all over the place were beating themselves up to get an Amazon warehouse.

If Apple will be building more facilities here, expect more huge giveaways that you and I will eventually either pay for or will trade in good schools and roads for.

Pardon me for being a wet blanket.

BannonsLiver

(16,434 posts)
12. Not a wet blanket
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:09 PM
Jan 2018

Apple is making the decision on what to do with my next phone easier and easier between catering to Trump's economic agenda and screwing with people's batteries to get them to buy more of their shitty products. Fuck 'em.

maxrandb

(15,345 posts)
15. Yep, fuck em
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:54 PM
Jan 2018

Didn't Volkswagen and Daimler support Hitler?

Hope they can sell a lot of iPhones to toothless hayseeds in Dumbfuckistan, amerikka.

I know what products I won't be buying anytime soon.

All of these corporations made billions on the backs of Americans and then hid their fucking tax requirements overseas... and we're supposed to be thankful for the fucking crumbs?

If we want to deport someone, it should be these corporate CEOs that have forgotten what economic patriotism truly means.

Edited to add:. The bonuses and $2 raise Walmart announced adds up to about 1.5% of the largess they got from this shitty Retrumplican tax scam

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
18. Crumbs . . .
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 08:48 AM
Jan 2018

I bet a lot of the people who are receiving the $2000 bonuses don't think of that as "crumbs."

So, you're going to be boycotting Apple for repatriating a ton of $$$, giving out bonuses, paying $38 billiion in taxes, investing $350 billion over the next five years,and creating 22,000 new jobs. No wonder the rwnj make fun of this site.

Bengus81

(6,932 posts)
21. Well...."alot" of the people getting those Wally World bonuses....
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 10:38 AM
Jan 2018

are managers and district managers who have been with the Company for the required TWENTY years. 99.9% of Walmart employees will get $190 bucks.

The Apple deal would be good IF it happens. Trust me,living in an aviation city I've seen PR like this turn into BS months later. I've seen those Company's run down to City hall and get another ten years of FREE property taxes and then start laying off hundreds a week later.

I'll cheer the Apple deal when I see some PROOF along with some steel and concrete.

Oh gosh,RW nut jobs make fun of DU?? I'm soooooo hurt!!

maxrandb

(15,345 posts)
29. We should boycott ANY corporation
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 05:53 PM
Jan 2018

that provides aid, comfort and cover for this authoritarian piece of shit.

Like I said; go back in history, a lot of folks said Hitler was "good for the economy".

And I'll thank no company for this happy horseshit tax bill.

Bottom line is that Apple, Walmart, Amazon, or ANY other corporation could have raised wages and invested in production in the United States 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago...or, at anytime over that past 40 years of "trickle-down" bullshit, if they had felt that making 1,000 times more than their highest hourly paid worker was adequate and fair, instead of making 3,000 times what their hourly workers were making.

Instead, we reward their greed and corporate treason and bribe them to do the right thing.

All these corps are doing is showing us just what their price is to sell their soul to the devil.

While we're rewarding these frauds, we're punishing the Middle Class. "Hey Moe, here's an extra $600 buck a year, but your kids education is going to cost you $12,000 more", Oh, and "don't drink the water".

So yes, any corporation that does this propaganda bullshit and credit this fucking orange shart-spewing charlatan deserves to be driven out of business.

I would strongly caution Apple and any corp that being associated with the Donnie Short Fingers brand is NOT A LONG TERM WINNING strategy.

Fuck them, fuck Walmart, fuck the Koch Brothers.

I just tell them to enjoy it while it fucking lasts.

liberal_patriot_md

(194 posts)
17. This is so misleadingly packaged.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 10:44 PM
Jan 2018

Once you get past the eye-grabbing numbers up top - it’s not that big of a deal. At least not for Apple. This is business as usual. The $38B is a hefty price tag, but it’s a diversion from a likely massive stock repurchase.

The $350B is not all direct investment; it’s their total economic contribution to the US economy. A majority of it is normal business expenditures i.e. payments to suppliers - from the announcement today they estimate it will be $55B in 2018. Big whoop - they spent over $50B on the same in 2016. https://www.apple.com/job-creation/ They are only talking about $30B in actual capital expenditures over five years. Big money - but keep in mind they spent at least $5B on their fancy new HQ campus.

20,000 new jobs over five years? So what? Their yearly average in job growth over the past decade is around 4000 per year.

The additional $4B in advanced manufacturing is cool (from the initial $1B announced months ago) - but I doubt it is much more than they already spent in R&D and acquisitions over a five year period.

To put this in context - Keep in mind that over the past five years Apple has spent $142B on share buybacks. https://www.investopedia.com/news/apple-bought-back-107m-stock-daily-past-5-years-aapl/ They spent 5 times their proposed capital investment just to make their stock prices go up - and fatten many executives’ bank accounts.

And all the big numbers - $350B and the like are dependent on Apple’s continued profitability. But they need better products in their pipeline since revenues from iPhones and other iDevices are shrinking and their computer division is practically non-existent.

Bengus81

(6,932 posts)
19. Yeah well,I belive stuff like this when I see RESULTS,not some PR statement......
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 10:31 AM
Jan 2018

Meaningless IMO...............

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
23. Neither would I, but it's a Band-aid on a traumatic amputation . . .
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jan 2018

Half of all Americans have no retirement savings - IRA, 401k, whatever.

34% of American adults have no savings at all - zero.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/19/heres-how-many-americans-have-nothing-at-all-in-savings.html

A one-time bonus, even if it's $1,000 (before taxes, of course) isn't going to solve the fundamental problem - most people just don't get paid enough to live on, let alone aspire to "middle-class" status.



MichMary

(1,714 posts)
24. Even many middle class people
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jan 2018

don't really have a clue about saving for their retirement. I used to work at a bank, and I often saw people I knew, people with good, high-paying union jobs, withdraw (borrow?) money from their 401(k) plans to pay dental bills, or whatever.

Had good, good friends years ago who spent every nickel they made--cars, boats, motorcycles, vacation homes, trips, whatever. He was in sales, and they had a LOT of $$$, but no pension, or any other benefits. They never thought of the future, ever. They tended to kind of look down their noses at us, who lived more mode lives, but had some bennies, and wouldn't have dreamed of touching the retirement savings.

I don't know if there is a cure for any of that. Trouble is, the post-WWII generation was willing to do without and live within their means. Our lifestyles have gotten to the point where we have to have the biggest, best, the latest. For many people the idea of "necessities" now include things they really could do without, but won't.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
25. Oh, that's definitely part of it, and I've known plenty of people like that . . .
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 03:59 PM
Jan 2018

But at the same time, look at Wal-Mart's "big news" of raising pay to $11/hour.

Before taxes, that's $22,880 a year, and that assumes you'll get forty hours every week (which doesn't always happen) and that you don't take any time off.

That's enough for a family of 3 to miss the federal poverty guideline ($20,780) but not enough for a family of four ($25,100).

https://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty-guidelines

Rent? Insurance & health care? Food & clothing? Vehicle, fuel, insurance, maintenance? It adds up, and adds up quickly, even if you're not a spendthrift.

RussBLib

(9,028 posts)
28. a snip from the PR
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 05:48 PM
Jan 2018

The snip from the Apple press release linked in the OP below implies that Apple HAD to do this because of recent changes to the tax law. Uh, which changes exactly? How far will I have to dig until I find a satisfactory answer?

Apple, already the largest US taxpayer, anticipates repatriation tax payments of approximately $38 billion as required by recent changes to the tax law. A payment of that size would likely be the largest of its kind ever made.

RussBLib

(9,028 posts)
30. well, I didn't have to dig too far
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 05:58 PM
Jan 2018

From a more-recent Mac Rumors post about Apple's dealings in Ireland and the EU:

Apple's plans to repatriate much of its foreign cash reserves under new U.S. tax laws, which lower the corporate tax rate to 15.5 percent, will have no affect on the outcome of this European tax case.

Mac Rumors

So I guess that the reduction of the corporate tax rate to 15.5% from 35% also allows all those foreign profits to be brought back to the states by paying the 15.5% rate? I guess I assumed that the 15.5% rate was a "going-forward" kind of thing and I didn't think it might be used to repatriate all those foreign profits.

So, this is a good thing, right? It would have been better to have the larger amount (35%) in taxed proceeds, but taxing them at 15.5% is better than getting $0, right? I'm not sure I understand this very well.



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