they have done it enough to us.

Bravo Schumer.

That's when they have to do this government funding vote all over again.
Five bucks is my bet that the repukes will do nothing until midnight of February 7th.

what progress he has made on that front. Show some ceremony that indicates Mexico has agreed to pay for his wall.

And remind the American Taxpayer that the 2.7 Billion Dollars+ went to the Corporations and wealthiest in this nation in the form of tax cuts....

And the audience can yell "Mexico !!"

Good if true, time to match republicans’ bait and switch.

I'd love to see the expression on the Grand Buffoon's face right now.

Schumer is moves ahead.

He offered an enticement then snatched it back after getting funding for CHIP and a promise for a

DACA vote (with the shutdown chip still in his pocket if needed in 3 weeks in case of a turtleman renege).

It makes us look duplicitous. Not that we don’t have a right to be, with all the bullshit and lies coming from shittler.

The way I see it, a deal was offered to fund the wall, tRump shat all over that deal, so the two parties went and worked out a deal on their own. Which doesn’t include funding for his stupid wall.

The art of the deal, my ass. TRump is so out of his league. No bait and switch, just dumb-assery from the moron in chief.

the repugs. You put it how you want, I'll go with outmaneuvering them in his chess moves.

And btw, I don't think "duplicitous" is recognized in the lexicon of politics (see McConnell/turtleman and his evil actions).

agreeing to fund the government for another 17 days (!) in return for McConnell's agreement to allow a straight vote on DACA.

No matter what, the only way the Republicans can come out of this without looking really bad now includes honoring this agreement, PLUS actually voting to restore DACA. And of course, finally getting their act together enough to fund the government after 4 emergency extensions.

According to one major poll, 80% of ALL Americans support honoring the DACA agreement Trump rescinded.

And, of course, CHIP -- Pubs lost their attempt to blackmail us with the lives of children and ended up just glad to be able to fund it off the table before stories about sick kids started hitting the news.

VOX:

...said the Master to the young Qhuy Chang Cane

unable to struggle out of the hole he and the other Republican squabblers dug themselves into, and Schumer offered to rent them their hole for another 17 days. Quite reasonable rent, really.

They still have to fund the government, though, and all they have to show after 4 (!) dysfunctional extensions is an even deeper hole and another 17 days of media count-down while the Democrats wait up top. 16 now.

You have to go back to when both parties had significant liberal factions and when hard-core conservatives were split between the two to find some fairly competent, effective Republican congresses -- when they cooperated with the Democrats.

Now that conservatives are heavily concentrated in the GOP, notably including those hard-core Southern-type conservatives, they manage to kneecap themselves every session.

some stolen "wins" lately (see trump, W and turtleman).

Karma swings back though.

As Dr. King said: "The Arc of the Moral Universe Is Long, But It Bends Toward Justice."

We do advance, even if we seem to average something like 19 steps back for every 20 forward.

He lets himself look like he was outmaneuvered, but in reality, pragmatically, 1) he gets the govt running again, which is the responsibility of the party in power, after all. 2) he puts the DACA bill on the floor in a couple weeks, and even if it passes he's out of the woods, he's done his bit, and 3) the hot potato is successfully tossed over to the House, where it becomes Paul Ryan's problem. Ryan has to wrangle the wacko Freedom Caucus, but also has to deal with sane House members who know that DACA is reasonably popular back home, and ALL of them are up for reelection soon. What to do, what to do? Ryan is the one it all falls on.

I think it's plausible that McConnell & Schumer gamed this all out & agreed it was the way they come out cleanest. Comity of the Senate and all that.

and achieve the goals promised long before that looks to professional observers like both incompetence and badly divided conservative factions that he can't bring together. He is not admired by anyone.

True that, by smashing senatorial procedures, ethics and traditions that were developed over 200 years, he did have some victories before this year. But they all cost today's morally bankrupt Republicans and the nation dreadfully, even if the results aren't apparent to lay people.

It'll be up to us, and a few conservatives, to restore them because we believe in the our government, to rescue our nation from them. The barbarians will end up hiding, as they always have, behind our principles and integrity and loudly claim them for their own. Those who educate themselves about government will know, but that's the way it's always been.

I am speculating on how the deal between Schumer & McConnell might have come about. McConnell is morally bankrupt & a sleaze of the first water but he's not exactly a slow-witted newbie to Schumer's wily old hand. I don't believe he was as rolled or hoodwinked or somehow caught by surprise as we'd like to believe. They all think several moves ahead, and personal survival always figures in.

understand that these people who've risen to the top over years aren't exactly thinking on our level. Same for Schumer and others working with him.

You may well be right about McConnell's immediate strategy right now, though his biggest obstacle these days of course isn't our party but his party's far right, especially in the house.

Sorry I went off on some other track answering you, guessing frustration brought from another thread. So many here imagine that it's Democrats who are constantly being rolled and hoodwinked, ascribing their own ignorance to their own and competence only to the other.

Come to think of it, what better example of that insecurity and fear of others than Trump? He's sure the planet's only superpower always failed at everything, every nation cheating us because we needed to be smart but that was always supposedly beyond us.

And having denounced fear, , what I actually believe is that McConnell and the hugely wealthy archconservative factions mostly controlling the GOP see all this as only a rock in their path to winning further power on November 6 and in 2020. That battle for power is what they're focused on, and they set their goals and pulled out all the stops long ago.

If you reject the offer, it can be withdrawn. No need to go further into anyone's motives, it seems to me.

keep poking at something until it collapses

How sad that to get Trump to sit down and 'negotiate',
he must be bribed with cheeseburgers.

NOT the same....apologies here:..................................................

Mondays bill had CHIP for 6 years fully funded, and 35 billion in tax cuts including delay in medical devise tax.

Sometimes things are WAY for complicated than INSTANT INTERNET NEWS!

It is a notorious RW site banned at DU. But you probably know that.

another "organization" formed by the same eugenics promoter mofo John Tanton.

Whenever you see "FAIR", NumbersUSA, or CIS, they were all created by Tanton.

There was no agreement on this, and when someone rejects an offer, the other party has a right to amend it in any way they see fit, for possible future submission.

moderate deplorables (if there are any.)

The wall offer was made because Schumer knew Trump wasn't serious about a deal.

I stole this from someone, I forget who. Things are getting so bad here that Mexico wants a wall to keep us out.