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brooklynite

(94,594 posts)
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 09:39 AM Jan 2018

MPR says Garrison Keillor wasnt fired for simply touching a womans bare back

Source: Washington Post

For weeks, Garrison Keillor’s initial belief that he was “fired” from Minnesota Public Radio last November for simply touching “a woman’s bare back” hung in the air, tempting his biggest fans with the hope that perhaps the creator of “A Prairie Home Companion” had been wrongly accused.

Minnesota Public Radio only said at the time that it decided to terminate its contracts with Keillor after investigating an allegation of “inappropriate behavior with an individual who worked with him.”

On Tuesday, MPR, sent a lengthy letter to its members explaining, for the first time, the allegations against Keillor.

“In the allegations she provided to MPR, she did not allege that Garrison touched her back, but did claim that he engaged in other unwanted sexual touching,” MPR president Jon McTaggart said in the letter. He later said that “the woman’s attorney presented us with a 12-page letter detailing many of the alleged incidents, including excerpts of emails and written messages, requests for sexual contact and explicit descriptions of sexual communications and touching.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/01/23/mpr-says-garrison-keillor-wasnt-fired-for-simply-touching-a-womans-bare-back/

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MPR says Garrison Keillor wasnt fired for simply touching a womans bare back (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2018 OP
Yikes Beakybird Jan 2018 #1
Always the same Stardust1 Jan 2018 #2
Have we crossed the line? Archae Jan 2018 #3
I've had a difficult time with this, because unless a Communist actually did something treasonous... moriah Jan 2018 #4
I do hurple Jan 2018 #5
Thanks for actually answering the question. moriah Jan 2018 #11
I knew someone would go into hysterics like this. Archae Jan 2018 #6
You certainly seem more "hysterical" than me. moriah Jan 2018 #8
I didn't say you were! Archae Jan 2018 #9
Re-read what you said... moriah Jan 2018 #10
What I was really afraid of. A shame and a shameful way to leave a carreer. marble falls Jan 2018 #7
Crap grantcart Jan 2018 #12
Damn.... And I used to love PHC, too Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #13

Archae

(46,335 posts)
3. Have we crossed the line?
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 10:39 AM
Jan 2018

To sexual McCarthyism, "guilt by accusation?"

The actual numbers are really small but they *DO* exist, women have sent men to prison with false accusations.

We have to be careful.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
4. I've had a difficult time with this, because unless a Communist actually did something treasonous...
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 11:01 AM
Jan 2018

... being a Communist itself wasn't a bad thing, and a lot of people fought for the right to have a political view without being automatically accused of a crime.

If you think we're at the point where we are saying being male itself is bad, and that men are having to fight for the right to have a dick without being automatically accused of misusing it....

I just don't see it.

BTW, do you have any cases where the woman *intentionally* made a false allegation that led to convictions? Eyewitness identification often is a failure for many reasons even though a person might not have a motive for the misidentification, and that includes all eyewitnesses, not just rape victims. I know many "rapists" have been released from jail after being "caught", but the reasons most were released was that DNA collected from the victim proved both a rape had occurred and they had the wrong guy.

hurple

(1,306 posts)
5. I do
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 11:32 AM
Jan 2018

"BTW, do you have any cases where the woman *intentionally* made a false allegation that led to convictions? "

On this... Me. Almost.

If I had not had a good lawyer, I would have possibly gone to prison over a false allegation from a revenge-obsessed ex.

It does happen.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
11. Thanks for actually answering the question.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jan 2018

I am sorry this happened to you. After posing my own question I was trying to look for places where the system fully failed -- even in the Duke Lacrosse case, the system did work even if it really put the men in terrible positions first -- and there was a lot of investigator screwups and prosecutorial misconduct in that case that led to the individual players being accused in the first place.

I so far have only found one case where a person wasn't forced into an unfair plea deal (the conviction Archae referenced) instead of actually being convicted by a jury, and that case -- like the Duke Lacrosse case -- had significant prosecutorial misconduct. Additionally, it wasn't the alleged "victim" who involved police -- the boyfriend she was trying to guilt trip by sending text messages faking an abduction called, and she decided to keep going with the lie.

Yet my own experience with seeing how at least one police department mishandled a true rape case, seeing the notes in my own file where they admitted exactly how they blew the case by giving him advanced warning before attempting a controlled call for evidence, it makes me wonder just how *any* attempt at a false accusation could actually be successful. I had him emailing admitting the attack and begging for forgiveness, they could have traced IPs and gotten warrants from the ISPs to prove they came from his house... but that wasn't enough to be taken seriously enough for them to properly investigate.

And considering he was arrested later on for harming a different woman, though then it was domestic violence instead of rape, my attempts to keep others from being hurt by him failed.

It has made it where I don't trust police to do their jobs, and really don't think I could go through with the reporting/physical exam process again if I ever am raped again. Obviously it doesn't *really* protect other women, so what's the point?

Archae

(46,335 posts)
6. I knew someone would go into hysterics like this.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 12:03 PM
Jan 2018

I did *NOT* say "All women is LIARS!"

I said we have to be careful.

Women DO make false accusations.

Remember the college lacrosse team, where a woman made false accusations?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Or the football player falsely sent to jail over a rape charge?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)

It DOES occur.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
8. You certainly seem more "hysterical" than me.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 12:58 PM
Jan 2018

I am not screaming in capital letters.

But carry on.

Archae

(46,335 posts)
9. I didn't say you were!
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 01:01 PM
Jan 2018

Fine, I'm sticking you into my "ignore" file, since you obviously can't imagine anything other than your own views.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
10. Re-read what you said...
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jan 2018

But if you still want me on your ignore, fine. I promise I won't "go into hysterics" over it.

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