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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:01 PM Aug 2012

Ryan says his plan keeps Obama's health savings

Source: Reuters

Aug 16 (Reuters) - Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan acknowledged on Thursday that his proposed healthcare reforms rely on many of the same spending reductions for which he has criticized President Barack Obama, something that could undercut a central message of the Republican campaign.

Ryan and Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney, charge that Obama's 2010 health law would weaken the popular Medicare health plan for the elderly by reducing its costs by $716 billion over the coming 10 years.

On Thursday, Ryan acknowledged that his own budget plan would keep the savings included in Obama's Affordable Care Act even as it would do away with the law itself.

"We voted to repeal Obamacare repeatedly, including those cuts," he told reporters at a hot dog stand in Ohio.

"When you repeal all of Obamacare what you end up doing is that repeals (those savings) as well. In our budget we've restored a lot of that," he said, referring to the savings.

Ryan's statement underlines the fact that his own budget plan, which passed the House of Representatives this spring, envisions spending $205 billion less on Medicare than Obama would during that time period.

Read more: http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/16/usa-campaign-ryan-medicare-idINL2E8JGGW720120816

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Ryan says his plan keeps Obama's health savings (Original Post) maddezmom Aug 2012 OP
Did he just buy an Etch-A-Sketch? greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #1
more like a slate board maddezmom Aug 2012 #2
He must be low tech. Heartless too. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #6
Oh-kay...we'll beat him up for doing what we plan to turn around and do???? Maeve Aug 2012 #3
So Obama's plan does have "savings." Nice to admit it, huh? nt nanabugg Aug 2012 #4
Romney's Strategy bucolic_frolic Aug 2012 #5
Call Ryan$Romney out - loudly Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #7
This old strategy Phlem Aug 2012 #8
The R & R stance on Medicare changes daily Chemisse Aug 2012 #9
That's the same $700 billion they claim he stole from Medicare, right? zbdent Aug 2012 #10
yuppers maddezmom Aug 2012 #12
So Why change? Why don't they ask them that... Historic NY Aug 2012 #11
The Numbers Cannot Work For Ryan DallasNE Aug 2012 #13
...and gives it to rich people! sofa king Aug 2012 #14
He lies with ease.. riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #15
simply amazing that they didn't expect push back on their attack against Obama on this one.. BREMPRO Aug 2012 #16
He can't keep his stories straight brightertomorrow Aug 2012 #17
"Ryan says his plan keeps Obama's health savings" area51 Aug 2012 #18

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
5. Romney's Strategy
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:22 PM
Aug 2012

Attack

Lie

Cling to Obama on the issues until Mitt sounds like Barack

Just like GWBush did to Al Gore

You knew Bush was lying, but a lot of Americans trusted him

Obama camp must answer every lie, every bear hug, every nuance

And portray Mitt as Liar.

It's that type of race.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
7. Call Ryan$Romney out - loudly
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:31 PM
Aug 2012

spell out what RomneyHood care would do and what they intend to do. This backtracking cannot go on

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
8. This old strategy
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:34 PM
Aug 2012

make ours look like their's and then proceed to confuse the fuck out of everyone. Obama need's to point out the factual difference's and contrast them with the Republican lies, and hammer into the brains of the half awake populous.



-p

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
11. So Why change? Why don't they ask them that...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:44 PM
Aug 2012

unless your dump the pre-existing conditions, college age children , etc etc etc.....and they are even spending less on Medicare how do they reconcile that with the savings seniors get?

That math doesn't match the rhetoric.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
13. The Numbers Cannot Work For Ryan
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:47 PM
Aug 2012

When you repeal the Affordable Care Act you end up kicking 30 million people off of health insurance that were added by ACA. That means you need to return to the same cost structure as before and that means losing the Medicare saving in ACA. Why? Because private insurance and Medicare pick up much of the tab when the uninsured go to the emergency room and with more people uninsured there is a larger tab to be picked up by those covered either privately or with Medicare. The saving were built in to ACA to assure that providers didn't simply pocket the windfall. If Ryan attempts to impose those saving then that would be a form of rationing because some providers would bypass Medicare patients due to the payment structure. The Obama plan is a win-win and the Ryan plan is a lose-lose.

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
15. He lies with ease..
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:38 PM
Aug 2012

and people who are not educated, informed or elderly will believe him.

He will lie for votes.

BREMPRO

(2,331 posts)
16. simply amazing that they didn't expect push back on their attack against Obama on this one..
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:51 PM
Aug 2012

a blatant attack (a lie) on a provision that is also prominent in Ryan's budget?? Terrible coordination.. Romney looks like he has bad judgment and Ryan looks like he's out of his league in the spotlight.. faltering on the budget questions and rand worship on fox news of all places!! maybe so deep in their RW echo chamber that they are deaf to reality and also so used to Dem's just rolling over that they didn't but this time!!

brightertomorrow

(122 posts)
17. He can't keep his stories straight
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:05 PM
Aug 2012

One moment he's out there saying Obama is making cuts but he really knows they aren't cuts at all but in fact savings so of course he has a hard time explaining it all.. First they have Congressman Ryan, the creator himself of "vouchercare" out running around telling that story about how President Obama took 716 billion out of the medicare fund. That really isn't true. They’re intentionally implying a cut in Medicare benefits and thats just false. The new affordable health care act actually will achieve "savings" of 716 billion by attacking fraud and by reductions in payments to health care providers (which they mostly signed on to in exchange for all the new customers they would get under the plan). But it's not cuts to medicare beneficiaries themselves. There is no reduction in medicare benefits under Obama care, in fact some of the savings were reinvested in greater benefits for seniors, including no cost preventative care and closing the Medicare Part D prescription drug ‘donut hole’ and adding at least an additional eight years to the life of medicare. Paul Ryan liked that part so much he even included it in his plan but that makes no sense either as if they did away with obama care the savings wouldn't be there as far as I can see. And why are they cuts to medicare when Obama does it and yet savings if he does?? Was happy to see Ed tonight finally saying they were savings. I wish all would start saying they are saving and not cuts..

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