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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:11 AM Jan 2018

DACA Recipients to Pack Trump's State of the Union

Source: Newsweek Magazine




TRUMP'S STATE OF THE UNION WILL BE PACKED WITH DACA RECIPIENTS

BY GRAHAM LANKTREE ON 1/26/18 AT 9:38 AM

When President Donald Trump looks out into the crowd gathered on Capitol Hill to hear his State of the Union address next Tuesday he will be looking into the faces of illegal immigrants he promised to protect.

Democratic House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi, and more than 23 other Democrats in Congress each plan to bring a Dreamer, a recipient of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, to Trump’s annual message to a joint session of Congress.

A number of Senators and House Representatives have said immigrants and Dreamers will be in the crowd. ABC News confirmed this with a list provided by a congressional official. During the address the president traditionally outlines his legislative plans.

In a statement early Friday, Pelosi said that the White House’s latest immigration framework released Thursday “is an act of staggering cowardice which attempts to hold the DREAMers hostage to a hateful anti-immigrant scheme.”



Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-state-union-will-be-packed-daca-recipients-791860

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DACA Recipients to Pack Trump's State of the Union (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2018 OP
I hope there aren't a bunch of ICE agents there ready to arrest them. groundloop Jan 2018 #1
That was my immediate thought.......nt Heartstrings Jan 2018 #2
I suspect this is in part a dare from Dems.... pangaia Jan 2018 #3
My first thought as well. BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #5
i very much believe that ICE will be there bluestarone Jan 2018 #13
We have a man here in Ohio PunksMom Jan 2018 #4
OMG. 30 years in US and arrested. Just SHAMEFUL. I despise the rethugs. iluvtennis Jan 2018 #7
so sad i wish more people in Ohio bluestarone Jan 2018 #14
Many are trying PunksMom Jan 2018 #15
blowing my mind too bluestarone Jan 2018 #17
This is so wrong! Ohiogal Jan 2018 #26
Ive only been here a few months PunksMom Jan 2018 #29
I wanted Dems to boycott the SOTU but this is far more powerful. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #6
He'll have the Moron Deplorable Choir there, too. Dave Starsky Jan 2018 #8
Bring on the women otchmoson Jan 2018 #9
Yes. Hortensis Jan 2018 #18
Wow, that brought a tear to my eye.. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #19
We'll make America America again. Hortensis Jan 2018 #21
I don't think we ever were, but we were going in that direction. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #22
Me too. Know what you mean for sure, but because people Hortensis Jan 2018 #23
We are in the middle of an undeclared war, I agree. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #24
I did run on last night, but Camelot did get me thinking. Hortensis Jan 2018 #25
Hortensis, your big picture thinking is spot-on. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2018 #27
You were spot on in the 1960s predicting decline Hortensis Jan 2018 #28
Yes! And I think often of how life was back in the 50s and 60s. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2018 #31
Please, please I beg someone in Congress to bring Stormy or her friend Evans who Pepsidog Jan 2018 #10
Oh, how I hope this works as intended. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #11
I think it will backfire, if not right away then down the road renate Jan 2018 #12
Nailed it....this could go horribly wrong in the long run AncientGeezer Jan 2018 #16
Good on our Dems and DACA! Cha Jan 2018 #20
Excellent idea...but risky for the kids. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #30

bluestarone

(16,972 posts)
13. i very much believe that ICE will be there
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:29 PM
Jan 2018

I hope these people have a good idea as to what might take place!!!!!!

PunksMom

(440 posts)
4. We have a man here in Ohio
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:01 PM
Jan 2018

who was tricked by ICE agents into thinking he was going to a meeting, & they arrested him. He’s been in jail for 10 days, & on a hunger strike. He is a business owner in Youngstown, and many people are fighting for his rights. He’s been here for 30 years, has a wife, & three daughters. It makes me sick to even read about it anymore. He’s being treated as a convict, and he really does not deserve it.

PunksMom

(440 posts)
15. Many are trying
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:03 PM
Jan 2018

but ICE is acting as if he is a criminal. They wouldn’t even allow him to see his family until just the other day. They have denied his request for a stay, and will be deported...eventually. They won’t tell the family when. It’s just blowing my mind that this is happening in our country!

bluestarone

(16,972 posts)
17. blowing my mind too
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:23 PM
Jan 2018

the world has certainly change, and never before have i had the helpless feeling i have today!!!!! Scary times ahead i'm afraid

Ohiogal

(32,005 posts)
26. This is so wrong!
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:23 PM
Jan 2018

I know people who know this man and his family. They are the nicest family you'd ever want to meet. He has a wife and four daughters. This man owns a store and works hard and pays taxes and does not even have a traffic ticket to his name. He is being treated like a criminal. There is much community support for his release and our rep Tim Ryan has been helping him as much as he can, but it's not looking too good for his future right now. Of course you're got the diehard anti immigrant faction here as well, who only see one side to every case.

I get that some people who are not citizens should leave, if they've committed a crime, etc. but why do they go after good people and good citizens? Why can't each case be judged on an individual basis? Why not give people like this man a path to citizenship? He is already proving that he is law abiding and self supporting. What good does it do to rip him away from his family? It makes me sick.

PunksMom

(440 posts)
29. Ive only been here a few months
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 08:34 AM
Jan 2018

this story is so difficult for me to watch. I can’t believe I’m in America anymore. I am heartbroken for his wife, & daughters...for the entire family & friends so closely connected to him. This man does not deserve this, and yet, here it is, another victory for tRump, and an assault against our freedom.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
8. He'll have the Moron Deplorable Choir there, too.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:03 PM
Jan 2018

So the net result probably won't be as effective as we hope.

otchmoson

(68 posts)
9. Bring on the women
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:09 PM
Jan 2018

I was hoping some of the House members would escort one of the Trump sexual abuse/harrassment victims. He probably wouldn't recognize them, or understand the irony-- but still, they might be available for comment to the media after the sideshow SOTU address concludes.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
22. I don't think we ever were, but we were going in that direction.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 08:09 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Now, full stop, then reverse. Geez, I love that picture of Michelle. This sounds goofy and unrealistic, but I felt like we finally got our 8 years of Camelot.

Now we have a daily horror show.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Me too. Know what you mean for sure, but because people
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jan 2018

are involved I never expect Camelot, and I never see it.

I think, because of the very hostile political environment (and what we now know was growing danger), what could have been a great presidency was a good period with one great and one very large advance--electing our first black male president and creating the ACA. Our administration was overall honorable and competent, restored the economy, and rather amazingly managed some other advances considering their tremendous disadvantages. I'm proud of us looking back and I miss it too, and the Obamas and their decency.

But all this while, a big, wealth-multiplied backlash to huge changes, which a lot of conservatives especially are inevitably reacting very poorly to, was already happening. A very illusory Camelot.

The explosive growth of enormously powerful and dangerous international billionaire classes, the weaponizing of the internet that can be mostly blamed on their greed for more, and the climate change that's not been stopped also mostly because of misused wealth had all been accelerating for more than 30 years. Including in Russia.

Scary times, daily horror shows. It turns out it's not time for Camelot yet. On the bright side, bad times are the usual catalysts for big changes. And encouragingly, when we elected Obama we did so in the middle of all this--against opposition that was already much larger, stronger, more organized and ruthless than we realized at the time. And lost with Hillary for the same reason, Obama's victories over them and the promise that she would continue only making them more ferociously ruthless.

So, we're in a bad spot, but I think we should be proud of ourselves for the enemies that our (general) decency and (mostly) adherence to principles have earned us. This fine collection is proof positive that we've been doing a lot more right than, from the middle of it, we tend to realize.

At least that's my view. We're in the middle of a war we missed the declaration of, of course.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
24. We are in the middle of an undeclared war, I agree.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:38 AM
Jan 2018

America has always been backwards except for a few short bursts of enlightenment. Hanging on to slavery and then aparthied for the majority of our exisistence, we've only just begun to recognize what the promise of America actually should be.

We've had some brilliant and amazing leaders rise up from our very unequal society, and some who came from the ruling class of elites themselves. I hang my hopes on those leaders who will continue to fight for what's right and good.

I will continue to register voters, go to marches, knock on doors, attend meetings and do what one person can, because when all of us "one persons" get together, we can be a force. But, I have to admit, I'm getting too old for this shit.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. I did run on last night, but Camelot did get me thinking.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jan 2018

After, as I thought of how Obama's Democratic administration felt compared to now, it DiD seem camelotish to me also.

I'm a lot more sympathetic to how America has come along because I am grateful when we are as good or better than other advanced nations, not expecting it. All of the European colonial nations made viciously exploitive and murderous colonial masters and most are still exploiting through possessions retained in former colonies. The only reason imported slavery never developed there is that their vast impoverished peoples provided sufficient forced labor.

Our intransigently conservative, or backward, regions became somewhat more understandable -- and worrisome -- when I learned that people and cultures in hot and other life-challenging climates (very cold or waterless for instance) tend to be more conservative than those from cooler, moister, gentler. A glance at any political map verifies that.

And now climate change, vast migrations of peoples, robots. Anxiety also makes whole peoples more conservative, even liberals, and even liberal democracies.

On the plus side is that tremendous explosion of relative wellbeing around the planet. It's creating billions of people who have whole new expectations for what they can and should have.

All in all, though, seems to me it's only reasonable to expect the major challenges to our cultural progression that are already occurring and not despair.

Blathering on again, I see. Please don't feel a need to answer. No work today, and I was just enjoying a captive screen.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
27. Hortensis, your big picture thinking is spot-on.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 06:27 PM
Jan 2018

Proven by the Repug's 60s Southern strategy and it was already working out West. I think religion also plays heavily in that song and dance, both here and abroad. It was after that when I had to watch my traditionally solid blue Tennessee drift to red.

In essence, "conservative" for the common man means "in fear".

It didn't take a genius back in the 60s to be frightened by the sudden influx of imported products in the very first big box stores (Big K - well before Walmart). I was early in college and saw hand tools on the shelf for one-third the price of American-made goods, and it was then I knew our standard of living was on the way down. It's happening (as planned) slowly but surely. We're seeing a very gradual leveling of the standard of living across the globe but most Americans don't want to hear it.

Climate change, exhausted resources, worsening inequality and mass migration are going to make for some big bumps in the road.

QED...............

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. You were spot on in the 1960s predicting decline
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:30 PM
Jan 2018

in living standards. 40 years later a majority of Americans had finally faced that reality, even if it took the crash of 2008 to force awareness. In spite of his limited power, Obama was able to start to reverse that trend, but the people in their deza-acquired wisdom transferred power to the party controlled by centimillionaire/billionaire white men. And here we are.

And yet, ...

Planetary wealth has quadrupled in the past 30 years, and much more still to come. A function of new technology. Unfortunately, of course most of that new wealth to date was channeled to development of new international centimillionaire and billionaire classes, many of whom have nothing but contempt for the democracy that would make our votes equal to

President Truman, without being able to foresee the coming technology revolutions, left office believing he had secured a prosperity that would double our actual incomes by the end of the century. By more equitable distribution of the fruits of labor.

Unfortunately, the plot to overset this plan for widespread prosperity had begun took national power with Reagan at the end of the 1970s. Not content with accumulating the new wealth, greed has "required" picking the pockets of the working classes. People would work for less. Yes.

As a nation we have been distracted from dangerously dropping incomes by housing equity inflation and by newly affordable...dishes and fishing rods. But half of us can't afford to take a vacation or dine in any of the nicer restaurants in town. Thrift shops are booming, and malls are closing. And if loan rates rise to normal levels, most will no longer be able to afford to own their own home.

We can and will redeal these stacked cards. Most Americans do want that, but... As you say. We may have to crash dreadfully before more are angrily forced to do what responsible people would have done long ago.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
31. Yes! And I think often of how life was back in the 50s and 60s.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:33 PM
Jan 2018

We're allowing the international corporate world to slowly take complete control of our lives, and I have trouble seeing how we can re-stack that deck. Money begets money and money begets power! Therefore, wealthy people's power has increased exponentially by their own hands using our earnings. Something seems horribly wrong with that picture!

Not only did those cheap imported tools wake me up, but when I saw thousands of local family-owned stores closing due to Walmart and other mega-outlets moving in, I began to fear for us as a society. All those little stores gave us much of our face-to-face human contacts, and also kept us closely linked to our local economy. That metric has changed so drastically now, so that numerous foreign economic powers could bring us to our knees at will.

As you said, it's becoming a rent-only world. Billionaires are using funds from our pockets to buy up every piece of real estate they can to turn them into rental properties. Countries like China are also using funds from our pockets to buy control of natural resources. Exactly when and how does this process of ever-increasing inequality end?


Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
10. Please, please I beg someone in Congress to bring Stormy or her friend Evans who
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:42 PM
Jan 2018

was smart enough to decline an invitation from Trump to join him and Stormy for a threesome (Sorry I know it is a sickening thought of Trump chasing Stormy around the hotel room in his tidy whities).

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
11. Oh, how I hope this works as intended.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:57 PM
Jan 2018

Blowback from this would potentially be catastrophic for the victims.

I'm also hoping very hard for the walkout in Davos.

renate

(13,776 posts)
12. I think it will backfire, if not right away then down the road
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 02:13 PM
Jan 2018

Trump hates to feel pushed into anything. Sure, he'll listen to the last person he talks to and thinks he's the one who made up his own mind, but that's the thing... he needs to think he's the one who made up his mind.

He's also extra resistant to looking weak. He'll think that doing anything positive for DACA will look like Pelosi et al forced his hand, so he'll do the opposite.

I think this is a big mistake, considering his psychological setup.

He's showing signs of actually wanting to solve the issue. Let it look like a solution to DACA came from his merciful heart, not Schumer and Pelosi. Or his base will whinge and moan, and it won't happen.

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