I thought it would be in place forever.

It is really is over the top.

Both the current and earlier versions are obnoxious.
Tell you what - since the population of Cleveland is 52% African American (as compared to 40% Caucasian), wouldn't it be more appropriate, oh, I dunno, to change their logo altogether to some obnoxious picture of a black person?

I can't imagine what the team name from "Cleveland Indians" would change too.. have to think about that.
Let's see how THAT flies..

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Like an arrow Head, or an eagle feather. Something that represents the name rather than demean it with a stereotype.

(seems unlikely)

The Spokane Indians is a Short Season A team. When the big push to rename teams with Native names was happening, the Spokane Tribe decided they liked the name and bought the team. Their mascots are two monsters, a superhero named Recycle Man (the park they play in belongs to the power company) and a person in a fish suit.

How about a sun with a warrior crouched down in a thoughtful pose in front of it?

Hastening to add the obligatory cautionary explanation:

But if you remove the feather and bright red hue from the current Wahoo it could be rebranded as a tribute to Bob Feller.

On the other hand Foxxx fans will be on the proper boiling temperature for a year.

Correctness can't interfere with capitalism, after all.

We should be praising the Cleveland Indians for making a smart and socially responsible decision.

Changing their logo will be a massive undertaking. It's not just the jerseys and the ball caps. Most likely, the tickets have been printed and programs and other publications finished. Certainly, there are lots of other things that have the existing logo on them. It will take them some time to make all of the changes.

I agree that it's taken them a long time to do the right thing but here we are. I hope the Redskins are next.

They are almost caught up to normal expectations I guess? Yay! Go teAm! woooo

Very... progressive.

It's frustrating when society does not adhere to our own timetables of change.

Very... rational.
(wow! the irrelevant petulance truly is entertaining! Now I see why you do it)

This shit ain't hard. And we didn't even have a cartoon-ized mascot. It was just a side-profile headdress logo.
The counter-argument during the removal was 'hey, it's respectful! it's not crude!'

Never mind that it was a depiction of a Plains native American headdress style that is not used by the local Duwamish and Snoqualmie tribes.


'Society' has been chipping away at this problem for decades. They were late to the party.
So are the 'redskins'. later stil.

But that would be even more difficult than the logo.

Nobody should use that phrase to describe indigenous Americans anymore. It was purportedly first used by Columbus upon landing with the mistaken belief that India was somehow connected to this new land, and these people were brown too so......

Unless they want to change their logo to this:

It's the least critical issue, if you think about it. Total no-brainer. No one is hurt. No one is poorer as a result.

They went from Devil Rays to Rays.

to buy more merch. I'm a graphic designer. I did a complete rebranding of a very large institution with hundreds of line items that needed to be redesigned in a matter of weeks. It can be done in way less than a year.

They just want to make money off the racists who'll buy everything they can get their hands on in the next year.

I'm glad they finally made the right decision, but I'm not buying that it takes another year to get it done.

for proposed uniform changes.

They will make the all time best Baseball Movie irreverent!!

And he didn't look like Chief Wahoo, and neither did anyone in his family that he knew of.

He HATED that logo.

Daddy, it's finally being removed

and your Dad!

And a huge fan of the Major League movie

And I say

IT'S ABOUT TIME

I'll say good for you when you change the name.

Many people are dissatisfied when all their hopes and desires do not appear simultaneously, and slowly realize that great change often happens incrementally, regardless of the 'big deal' you allege.

the allegedly first American Indian in major league baseball - Louis Sockalexis?
He played for Cleveland in the late 19th century and as with so many at that
time faced blatant racism and had a tragic life and early death.

so this is a big move (although, way too late) for the Indians. You have generations that
grew up, lived their lives, and passed away w/Chief Wahoo as local icon that to those people
symbolized something good. Expect Fox News and the right wing to push this as a wedge
issue to keep the good white people in the suburbs upset. A Chief Wahoo flag or statue
in the day lily / rose flower bed in front of many homes for 30+ years was and still is a
way of life there.

I doubt its like they will prohibit fans from wearing Wahoo gear to the stadium...

I liked Wahoo - Indians fans always joked Wahoo was looked more like a Jewish indian - like the guys who played Indians on the old TV show F-Troop



I guess this post isnt the best support for keeping him...

F TROOP! Where Indian fights are colorful sights And nobody takes a lickin', Where paleface and redskin Both turn chicken!

But we should be thankful that it is happening. I would have liked to see this happen years ago. I would like it to happen for 2018 season. It is a big change. People will run out and buy up the last of the gear. People will still wear the old gear. It will be less and less. It is hard to make a change of this sort. And yes it could have happened sooner.

Now the pressure is on others to do the right thing.

That caricature was quite offensive

The little "Red Sambo" caricature his highly offensive to Native Americans. As a Native American, I can also say "Redskins" is offensive.

but if they want to change the team name forget that. Well except if the want to change it to the Cleveland Slovaks, that's fine with me.

"X" and not "cks," because it's the 21st century.

Take it away, Mott the Hoople:

What? Not Mott the Hoople? Okay, Ian Hunter then:

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Should have been done in the goddamned 90s when everyone was finally waking up.

So the 'skins have to be next, right? That's like the final boss of ethnically insensitive names...

5+ years ago @okpants nailed the Wahoo "debate" in one of his best @ClevelandScene covers

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Now, can they get rid of that stupid "Tomahawk Chop" thing they do in Atlanta? I remember seeing Jane Fonda do it with Ted Turner after she had made "Dances with Wolves". Did she learn anything from the experience?

look how easy that was. Washington.

Today on Uni Watch: Some thoughts about the mothballing of Chief Wahoo, plus Collector's Corner, a new Key Ring Chronicle, and more. Look here: https://uni-watch.com/2018/01/30/finally-indians-to-scrap-chief-wahoo-in-2019/ …

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For those wondering why the @Indians will still be selling merchandise with Chief Wahoo on it, that's to satisfy "use in commerce". It's a requirement for the team/league to maintain ownership of the trademark #SportsBiz

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Major League baseball is a game of hallowed traditions. For the Cleveland Indians, the traditional throwing out of the first pitch every season is accompanied by a few other time-honored rituals, which include throwing out insults to Native Americans, some of whom come to the team’s stadium each spring to protest the team’s name and its cartoonish logo and mascot, Chief Wahoo. “We’re going to hold up signs, get ridiculed for about two hours and then we’re going to go home,” Sundance, the director of Cleveland AIM, told Akron News Now before this year’s demonstration.

Those Native American protestors who gather at the ironically named Progressive Field—some of them members of the Cleveland American Indian Movement (AIM) and the Committee of 500 Years of Dignity and Resistance—have not been met with open arms or friendly words. Cleveland’s baseball fans have hurled beer cans and spat on them. The protesters have been called stupid and “Custer-killers.” Cleveland AIM calls the use of the Chief Wahoo mascot “bigoted, racist and shameful,” and the Committee of 500 complains that the logo is a negative stereotype against indigenous people.

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Sundance reports that things can get pretty tense outside the gates of the Cleveland stadium on Opening Day. “We have been actively protesting at the stadium since 1973,” he says, adding that the Cleveland AIM was, “formed in 1972 and in that same year we filed a lawsuit against Cleveland baseball for slander and libel… Obviously it was unsuccessful, because we are still standing out there today.”

He says the anti-Wahoo protestors are often joined by members of the Native organization known as The Peacekeepers, who stand as a human barrier to protect them from an often unruly and inebriated crowd. “There were a couple of years in the recent past when The Peacekeepers were not there. In one of those years there was an assault,” he says. “The young gentleman who was assaulted came as a bystander… He had a video camera and was doing a project for a class.”