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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:04 PM Feb 2018

Mike Pence Says Nancy Pelosi 'Lives In A Different World' After Describing $1,000 As 'Crumbs'

Source: Newsweek Magazine




MIKE PENCE SAYS NANCY PELOSI 'LIVES IN A DIFFERENT WORLD' AFTER DESCRIBING $1,000 AS 'CRUMBS'

BY LINLEY SANDERS ON 2/1/18 AT 9:42 AM

Vice President Mike Pence slammed Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi as "out of touch" with the American people for diminishing Republican-led tax cuts. He used the opportunity to highlight himself as a common man who comes from "the Joseph A. Bank wing" of the West Wing.

At a Republican policy retreat in West Virginia on Wednesday evening, Pence praised the tax cuts approved in President Donald Trump's first legislative victory, telling the lawmakers that three million Americans received bonuses as a result. He criticized Democrats like Pelosi, who said the bonuses are "crumbs" compared to what corporate leaders could afford to give their employees.

"I mean, the truth is, any leader in America that would say $1,000 in the pockets of working families is crumbs is out of touch with the American people," Pence said.

House Minority Leader Pelosi denounced large company bonuses as "crumbs that they are giving workers," while corporate America reaps the financial reward from the Trump tax bill. The former chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, also shrugged off the bonuses as insignificant, saying, "I'm not sure that $1,000—which is taxed, taxable—goes very far for almost anyone."

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-says-nancy-pelosi-lives-different-world-after-describing-1000-797098

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Mike Pence Says Nancy Pelosi 'Lives In A Different World' After Describing $1,000 As 'Crumbs' (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2018 OP
They are trying to sell their tax scam for mid-terms LeftInTX Feb 2018 #1
Pence is evil atreides1 Feb 2018 #2
And when corporations are getting ... aggiesal Feb 2018 #10
And the dems nrunning for office need to keep reiterating that. iluvtennis Feb 2018 #14
Yep catrose Feb 2018 #22
Pence is SUCH A FUCKING LYING SACK OF SHIT. Scoopster Feb 2018 #3
The real story, which Corporate media will never highlight. harun Feb 2018 #7
As I understand it ... aggiesal Feb 2018 #15
"I did hear yesterday, that everyone gets $24,000 deduction right off the top. " progree Feb 2018 #21
Confusion is part of the plan Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #40
Very much part of the strategy of attack The Mouth Feb 2018 #39
That portion of the tax bill ... aggiesal Feb 2018 #44
People are getting 1000 bonuses from many companies. Thats whats being referred to. 7962 Feb 2018 #41
After taxes that's about $50 per month! Whoa! DetlefK Feb 2018 #4
Think of that $50 a month as a loan because when the five year sunset law kicks in....... nolabels Feb 2018 #17
$2.74 per day. Pence wants us to believe that it is enough NCjack Feb 2018 #31
if $1,000 is substantive, then how meaningful are the billions we handed to the kochs? unblock Feb 2018 #5
Good one! nt Delmette2.0 Feb 2018 #11
Remember when R's were saying $200,000 per year was "middle class"? utopian Feb 2018 #6
Yes! hibbing Feb 2018 #30
True utopian Feb 2018 #45
99% of Republickans are ass holes Plucketeer Feb 2018 #8
The sad thing is not fooled Feb 2018 #9
Maybe enough for dental checkups for a family of four after taxes . . . hatrack Feb 2018 #12
Pelosi lives in the real world and that's pence's main issue with her. LOL Javaman Feb 2018 #13
If by "a different world" you mean Liberalagogo Feb 2018 #16
Says the stooge who's spent a lot of time in Trump's dictator-chic apartment and plane highplainsdem Feb 2018 #18
That $1,000 is just a reminder of how bad you're getting fucked by the system. Initech Feb 2018 #19
$1000 is about 1/12th my annual income. Kaleva Feb 2018 #20
It's crumbs when compared to what the 1% are getting. Vinca Feb 2018 #23
I think what she was saying is, Cold War Spook Feb 2018 #24
Only a tiny percentage of the bonuses are $1,000. Most are $100-$200, pre-tax. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #25
For most, the "bonuses" may as well be gift cards . . . hatrack Feb 2018 #35
Then they should say "most bonuses". But they keep mentioning the 1000 bonuses. 7962 Feb 2018 #42
Mike Pence fantasizes about torturing gay human beings, NOTHING out of his mouth Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #26
Compared to the dividend increases and stock buy backs JDC Feb 2018 #27
Somebody needs to remind Pastor Pence LittleGirl Feb 2018 #28
That is less than 50 cents per hour raise SHRED Feb 2018 #29
Pelosi's right. Weed Man Feb 2018 #32
January 1st tax rate is 10% MacKasey Feb 2018 #33
And that's temporary. Meanwhile, corporations got a permanent 40% tax cut. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #38
it is a big fucking scam Skittles Feb 2018 #46
Dems need to tread carefully in this minefield Jake Stern Feb 2018 #34
No, they just need to make things clear . . hatrack Feb 2018 #36
Agreed hueymahl Feb 2018 #37
Exactly. I don't see why thats not easily understood nt 7962 Feb 2018 #43

LeftInTX

(25,523 posts)
1. They are trying to sell their tax scam for mid-terms
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:07 PM
Feb 2018

Even Cornyn acknowledged the tax cuts are unpopular, so they have they are painting lipstick on a pig.

atreides1

(16,091 posts)
2. Pence is evil
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:09 PM
Feb 2018

$1000 bonus, minus state and federal taxes, results in an amount between $450-$700...multiply $700 by 365 days and you're getting $1.91 per day!

You can't even buy a Happy Meal for $1.91...so describing it as crumbs is pretty accurate!!!

aggiesal

(8,923 posts)
10. And when corporations are getting ...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:37 PM
Feb 2018

Billions in tax cuts, giving away $1M is 1/10th of 1%
While the corporations buy back their own stock, causing a spike in
stock prices, thus giving the elite stockholders Millions in ill gotten gains.

catrose

(5,073 posts)
22. Yep
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:31 PM
Feb 2018

I thought I was rich when I was allowed $1000 for moving. When I received it, it was less than $600, which made me very unhappy. Even the full $1000 won't pay a month's rent or mortgage in most places, isn't enough for a new deposit, won't pay a semester's tuition except at the cheapest community colleges. Maybe it would pay a non-major repair on a car.

And the fact that companies felt like they needed to lay off hundreds of workers at the same time is worrisome.

Scoopster

(423 posts)
3. Pence is SUCH A FUCKING LYING SACK OF SHIT.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:18 PM
Feb 2018

Last edited Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:55 PM - Edit history (1)

It's not $1000.

73 cents a week. Just under $40 a year. That was the increase I saw in my paychecks starting with the first one of 2018.

And I can no longer claim my student loan interest as a deduction, which negates the $40/yr.

And at the same time, my health insurance premiums went up 11% as a result of the mandate being repealed. That's just this benefits year - who knows how much more it'll increase in Mar '19.

And let's not even get into how much smaller my refund will be now that the deduction for state & local taxes is gone.

aggiesal

(8,923 posts)
15. As I understand it ...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:44 PM
Feb 2018

Last edited Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:53 PM - Edit history (2)

State and Local taxes have been lumped in with Property Taxes.
You can claim up to $10,000 in any combination you'd like.

Unfortunately for me, my Southern California Property taxes are more
than $10,000, so I won't be able to claim any part over that, and since
the $10,000 have been used, I can't claim my state taxes of local taxes
as deductions.
Also, starting in 2019, I can no longer deduct spousal support, while the
X will no longer have to claim that as income. So I end up paying for taxes
on money I will never use.

I did hear yesterday, that everyone gets $24,000 deduction right off the top.
So, if you make $50,000/yr., your tax base start at $26,000.
I have not been able to verify this information, so don't take it as
etched-in-stone

progree

(10,912 posts)
21. "I did hear yesterday, that everyone gets $24,000 deduction right off the top. "
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:25 PM
Feb 2018

That's the standard deduction for Married Filing Jointly
For singles it's $12,000
For Head of Household, I don't know what it is

Yes, that's quite an increase in the standard deduction from before, but it's been mostly offset by loss of the $4050 per-person per-dependent exemption.

On the other hand, for taxpayers with children, the child tax credit has been doubled, from $1,000 to $2,000. And for someone in say the 25% tax bracket, that extra $1,000 credit is equivalent to a $4,000 deduction. Well, now its the 22% tax bracket, not the 25% tax bracket.

For someone in the 15% tax bracket that $1,000 is the same as a 1,000/0.15 = $6,666 deduction. Well, its the 12% bracket now.

It is complex.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,403 posts)
40. Confusion is part of the plan
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:57 PM
Feb 2018

Every carnival huckster knows you have to get the suckers confused before you can bilk 'em.

The Mouth

(3,164 posts)
39. Very much part of the strategy of attack
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:53 PM
Feb 2018

us Californians are going to be more likely to squeeze Sacramento for tax cuts and/or support republicans if we can't write off state taxes. It's possibly an effective strategy; as long as I can write off my CA taxes, I have little incentive to NOT want lots of services from the state government, if I can't deduct what Sacramento takes me much less likely to approve a bond issue or any such thing. Brilliantly evil in a way.

aggiesal

(8,923 posts)
44. That portion of the tax bill ...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:13 PM
Feb 2018

was designed to penalize states that went blue that have large Property Taxes
CA., NY., ILL.,

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
41. People are getting 1000 bonuses from many companies. Thats whats being referred to.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:59 PM
Feb 2018

The same thing as DWS said; "1000 doesn't mean much to anyone" or something to that effect.
its a stupid self-inflicted wound to say stupid shit like that.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. After taxes that's about $50 per month! Whoa!
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:18 PM
Feb 2018

Just imagine if you would earn an additional $50 per month! Livin' large!

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
17. Think of that $50 a month as a loan because when the five year sunset law kicks in.......
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:56 PM
Feb 2018

You will be paying it back with interest while at the same time getting diminished and adulterated government services in the process.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
31. $2.74 per day. Pence wants us to believe that it is enough
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:09 PM
Feb 2018

to lift people out of poverty. Pelosi is right -- it is peanuts.

utopian

(1,093 posts)
6. Remember when R's were saying $200,000 per year was "middle class"?
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:28 PM
Feb 2018

By that standard, a thousand bucks ain't much at all. Their hypocrisy knows know bounds.

hibbing

(10,109 posts)
30. Yes!
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:57 PM
Feb 2018

I remember it coming up in a VP debate where Chris Wallace used Hannity's talking point that 250K was middle class. I think he even used the example of a firefighter and a teacher or college professor. Granted, depending on where you live, after many years of service that paring may make that much, but the figures are what is "middle class" is certainly a lot less than 200K.

On edit, I don't think comments like this from her helps our cause at all.


Peace

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
8. 99% of Republickans are ass holes
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:30 PM
Feb 2018

The other 1% have retired from screwing their constituents.

And DWS! One has to wonder what sorta Win-fall she's going to experience now that her owners (The Pay-Day Loan Shark meat grinders) have had any and all regulations discarded and buried. Will they send DWS a bonus too?

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
9. The sad thing is
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:32 PM
Feb 2018

many 'Muricans will believe dense's lies because they have such limited information about and understanding of the impacts of the tax scam.

pukes count on this.

However, I hope they are in for a nasty surprise come November. Perhaps the public is finally wising up to the scam that is GOPee tax policy.


Javaman

(62,533 posts)
13. Pelosi lives in the real world and that's pence's main issue with her. LOL
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:40 PM
Feb 2018

in other news: pence is still a fucking asshole. That is all.

Initech

(100,100 posts)
19. That $1,000 is just a reminder of how bad you're getting fucked by the system.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:02 PM
Feb 2018

It will do nothing to solve income inequality and all it will do is help the rich get richer when they lay you off. It's a bait and switch technique, and the MAGAholes won't realize it until it happens to them.

Kaleva

(36,332 posts)
20. $1000 is about 1/12th my annual income.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:21 PM
Feb 2018

But I won't get any tax breaks as I don't make enough to pay federal and state taxes in the first place.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
24. I think what she was saying is,
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:43 PM
Feb 2018

A thousand dollar bonus is nothing when compared to what corporate leaders get. And 3 million is less than 1% of the population. If the top 1% is getting large bonuses and 1% of poor and middle class are getting small bonuses, what are the 98% getting?

SunSeeker

(51,662 posts)
25. Only a tiny percentage of the bonuses are $1,000. Most are $100-$200, pre-tax.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:47 PM
Feb 2018

The $1,000 bonuses at Home Depot and Wal Mart go only to full-timers with over 20 years with the company. The vast majority at those companies' workers won't qualify. At best, they will qualify for bonuses in the $100 range. And that's pre-tax, pre-deductions. Most will only see about $50 cash in pocket. So yes, this is crumbs in anyone's world.

And that is a 1-time payment, NOT a permanent raise, unlike the employers' PERMANENT 40% tax cut.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
42. Then they should say "most bonuses". But they keep mentioning the 1000 bonuses.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:02 PM
Feb 2018

Its a stupid mistake, imo. It DOES make them look like elites.

JDC

(10,130 posts)
27. Compared to the dividend increases and stock buy backs
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:49 PM
Feb 2018

Crumbs are an overstatement.

Just look at Comcast's numbers. Look at the ATT layoffs, etc etc etc.


And mike pence wouldn't put on a pair of socks for a $1000. Who does he think he is kidding.

LittleGirl

(8,291 posts)
28. Somebody needs to remind Pastor Pence
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:49 PM
Feb 2018

what Jesus did with the money changers at the temple. He's the biggest hypocrite ever.

 

Weed Man

(304 posts)
32. Pelosi's right.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:11 PM
Feb 2018

$1,000 bonuses = 50c a hour or less than you worked for 1 year.

It's an insult. I want $100 a day bonuses.

MacKasey

(992 posts)
33. January 1st tax rate is 10%
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:15 PM
Feb 2018

Everyone got more money in their paychecks because the tax rate drops back to 10% January 1st, not because of the tax cuts unless you make $10,000 in a weak

When you hit $10,000 is when you will see a differ of 3%, tax is going down from 15% to 12%. If you do not make more then $38,000 that is all the tax break you will see

That's the way I understand it

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
34. Dems need to tread carefully in this minefield
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:22 PM
Feb 2018

Last edited Thu Feb 1, 2018, 07:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Especially Nancy Pelosi. The ads write themselves: a shot of Pelosi's house in an ultra affluent neighborhood while showing her "crumbs" statement. Oh so easy to paint her as an out of touch elite.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
36. No, they just need to make things clear . .
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:42 PM
Feb 2018

"How many hard-working Americans employed by Wal-Mart actually got a $1,000 bonus? Everyone? No. Half? No. 10%? No. Not even close. And if you got a pay raise to $11/hour, do you get a bonus? No, you don't. Read the fine print - especially when Republicans are involved."

hueymahl

(2,510 posts)
37. Agreed
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 02:42 PM
Feb 2018

Yes, Pence is almost as big a POS as the trumpster, but it was a good political move twisting her words to make Pelosi look like a limousine liberal.

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