Kind of a weird feeling to be more afraid of your own government and their actions than those of N. Korea.


Peace

Trump is considering this because someone put it in his tiny head that this stunt would be the only thing that can save the GOP in November...

I thought the military always had plans, in the odd chance that something like this would happen.

Seems legit.

Actually, that should be No FUN: No First Use Nuclear.

Preventive strikes only encourage retaliatory strikes. Trump is just trying to drum up the war he so obviously desperately wants. He wants to be a wartime president so he can be a big tough man and order around all the big guns. Also, the nation tends to rally behind the president at times of war. He doesn't care who gets hurt or killed as he bangs the drums. It's all for personal aggrandizement and political deflection/protection.

steady coordination and builds trust in the White House.

I'd hate to see him trying to command and coordinate the military. He'd be firing the generals all the time. It would be chaos.

To successfully wage war, you need a very mature temperament. That's because there are always challenges, always difficult moments. Trump's reaction to a difficult moment, a challenge, is to fire someone or to make them so uncomfortable that they quit on him.

Besides he would infuriate the troops by insulting them whenever things got tough, and they get tough a lot in wars.

Trump and a war would be a disaster for us in America.

Maybe we can throw his ass out before he gets us all killed.

Let the games begin


North Korea to Parade Dozens of Long-Range Missiles Before Winter Olympics



The parade is expected to include dozens of intercontinental-range Hwasong-15 missiles, which the North Koreans test-fired for the first time in late November, the sources said.

The news comes after US President Donald Trump delivered his first State of the Union speech, during which he criticized the Kim Jong Un regime’s human rights abuses and “reckless pursuit” of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles that could soon threaten the US homeland.

http://ktla.com/2018/01/31/north-kor...-olympics/amp/

Why won't they let HIM have a military parade?

The crutches in SOTU, the meeting in the oval office, the investigation closing in -- nukes for distraction.

Time to remove the thing in the Whitehouse, the co-conspirators, and every illegimately appointed wrecking ball in the cabinet and judiciary.

Lock them ALL up.

that there is a treaty between North Korea and China that would bring China into the war? Of course it could be a small war where only North Korea, South Korea and Japan are destroyed.

And no way China wants to take on S Korea, Japan and the US at the same time.

And if N.K. starts something and we get involved, China likely will too, as they do not want us on their doorstep there.

Hopefully it would be a kind of gentlemans agreement where we do the dirty work and China goes in to do the clean up/rebuild.

Why, because it is known that there is a treaty and if China didn't respond she would lose face. At that point China would let the US know that the war stops there. The US would be stupid to continue. The US does not have the same feeling about saving face.

Only way they could take out S Korea and Japan would be with nukes, and then the US would glass over China.

is an attack by the US on a sovereign nation. Accordingly the UN would consider this an act of war by the US. At this point China has to at least attack South Korea. At that point, China would let the US know that it is willing to stop it there. The US would be stupid to do anything further. Yes, the US would win any war, but how many cities are we willing to lose?

Don't think so.
And no way China would use any nukes in a conflict with a country with magnitudes more nukes plus a limited ABM system.

Okay the US attacks North Korea. China has to attack South Korea because South Korea is an ally of the US and if North Korea is weakened China knows that South Korea will attack North Korea.. North Korea has been attacked by an aggressor. The least China can do is attack South Korea. I do doubt that either side would use nuclear weapons.

...any leverage they had at the UN by being the aggressor against S Korea.
Now N Korea I do believe would strike out at S Korea.

cannons and rocket launchers that North Korea has aimed at Seoul? China would not be considered an aggressor since they would believe that South Korea would attack a weakened North Korea.

Only a few million dead and World War III. All to stoke Donnie Short Fingers ego.

Please look up what Japan did to the innocent population of China prior to and during WWII, and then tell me if China will allow a Japan/American ally on their boarder?

Hell, China wouldn't even need to attack South Korea...they could just start dumping our debt.

But, make no mistake! China will not allow North Korea to fall without a brutal fight.

That includes not taking on the 3 premier hi-tech military's in the area at the same time, S Korea, Japan and the US.
Yes they could dump our debt....we could also embargo all Chinese imports to the US, which would destroy their economy in short order. Plus we could make a back room deal, we take out their nuclear/missile capabilities, then they move in and install whatever puppet govt they want.

Maybe Donnie Short Fingers will put you on the case.

There is a reason that millions of Chinese forces crossed into North Korea and pushed us back to the 38th Parallel. That reason still exists.

"During WWII the Japanese invaded China by first occupying Taiwan, then invading Korea, from there to the northern provinces of China, then pushed southward towards the rest of the country. In 1950 the U.S. appeared to repeat the same invasion path - first Taiwan, then Korea. The U.S. first told China that it would not cross the 38th parallel, it crossed it. Then it said it would not cross the 40th parallel, it crossed it. Then it said it would stop 40 miles away from the Yalu River, then it bombed it. By then China became convinced that the real target of the U.S. was China. They attacked with overwhelming force that surprised the Americans and pushed UN forces back to the 38th Parallel.

I'm a little confused. Are you in favor of thousands of American troops being killed and potentially millions of innocents on the Korean Peninsula, just so Donnie Short Fingers shaking his tiny dick at Kim?

However I am also not in favor of allowing N Korea to get enough ICBM's with nukes to be able to nuke a lot of American cities.

a great big, LOOK OVER THERE!

War-time Presidents always get the best poll numbers, and Trump's would definitely be THE BIGGEST WAR-TIME PRESIDENT POLL NUMBERS EVER!

A first strike would target their nuclear capabilities, but those are so dug in that bunker busters aren't effective enough to guarantee a good chance of disabling them.

You'd need to use tactical nuclear warheads.

And if we go down this road, God help us.

Rangers jump in and secure the area, Delta Force/SEALS go in and destroy the target while US air forces prevent reinforcement, while striking command & control nodes, jamming coms and blowing up bottlenecks like bridges etc.
It wouldn't be pretty though.

what do you think those 10,000 to 15,000 cannons and rocket launchers aimed at Seoul will be doing. And China has not even come in to it yet. Remember the treaty between China and North Korea.

....it's unknown if they would strike south, I think they'd be more likely to send everything north to strike at the incursion.
And Seoul has bomb shelters for their entire population.

I think they'd do the math and realize a limited US strike would be easier to ride out then a conventional war with S Korea and the US which would result in their regimes demise.
And I think China would make a lot of noise but are too smart to get in a hot war with the US.

If I am remembering correctly, didn't China help North Korea once before? And I bet that they won't warn Seoul. By the way, most shelters do no have food, water or medical kits. They don't even have enough money in their budget to do anything about the shelters.

Okay so far you have been wrong on every point. I will give you one more shot before I forget you exist. To show how unintelligent you are, I have Parkinson's dementia and vascular dementia. It might take me half an hour or more to write a post, but I get it done.

China also remembers the ass kicking they got last time they helped N Korea, with over 600,000 KIA/MIA.
The S Korean military can deliver MRE's and water if needed to shelters, not like they will have to be done there forever, the N Koreans have a finite amount of ammo and will start losing batteries to counter-fire right away. The volume of fire will drop sooner then later.

You haven't shown me to be wrong on anything, you've just shown you have a different opinion.

In a recent post you said I lost the post by putting in "lol".
I find when you stoop to insulting the other posters intelligence you have definitely conceded and lost.

Be that as it may. South Korea had almost as many civilians killed as the Chinese military. Which country do you think fears a war more. As far as the shelters go, most do not even have a sign so people can find them. Now for the North Korean batteries aimed at Seoul, you are right. South Korea, North Korea, China and Russia, none of them wants a war. I put in Russia because it has a border with North Korea and if there is a war it has to decide whether or not to enter the war probably will depend on the safety of that border. The US should also not want a war. The North Koreans could get lucky and take out a US city. The US missile defense does not work well in a test when the system operators know where and when the missile will hit. If missile has countermeasures it's going to hit its target. Japan has the same problem with its shelters which are from WWII. They don't even repair them any more. Lastly, the belligerent talk on both sides is not helping.

Playtime is over Donnie. Let's give this to the grown-ups now.

Pence is an asshole, but he isn't completely nuts.

an attack on North Korea is an incredibly frightening thought.

And the reason he considers doing it is because he thinks that being a war president will make him more popular. Trump is always focused on his "ratings". He thinks of the world, and his presidency, as a TV show. He perhaps hopes his war will give him huge ratings.

He has no conception of the consequences of nuclear war. Remember, during the campaign when Trump asked that since we had nuclear weapons why aren't we using them? That's scary enough.

But maybe he just doesn't care how much damage and how many human beings will suffer and die for his popularity. That is psychotic on the grandest, scariest scale.