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elleng

(130,947 posts)
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:32 PM Feb 2018

House Republicans Release Secret Memo Accusing Russia Investigators of Bias.

Source: nyt

House Republicans released a previously secret memo on Friday in which they accuse senior officials at the F.B.I. and Justice Department of bias in the early stages of the Russia investigation.

The House Intelligence Committee made the memo public after a week of pleading from senior national security officials not to disclose the classified details, reading it aloud on a conference call with reporters after President Trump declassified the memo.

“A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves and much worse than that,” Mr. Trump said on Friday.

The memo alleges that senior government officials favored Democrats over Republicans and accuses federal law enforcement officials of abusing their authorities when they sought permission to surveil a former Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-memo.html?

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House Republicans Release Secret Memo Accusing Russia Investigators of Bias. (Original Post) elleng Feb 2018 OP
Here we go. n/t orangecrush Feb 2018 #1
Now let's see how the MSM handles this Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #2
trump and republican party just declared war on law enforcement chelsea0011 Feb 2018 #3
Simply shocked Spouting1horn Feb 2018 #15
I just read the entire memo, it doesn't say shit louis c Feb 2018 #4
Exactly! It's a big nothing burger. The memo also fails PaulRevere08 Feb 2018 #5
It gives Putin all he needs to know FakeNoose Feb 2018 #6
Every person who supports this "memo" is a traitor, and should be treated as such Fluke a Snooker Feb 2018 #7
Oh, please pink-o Feb 2018 #8
Well... hurple Feb 2018 #9
What if Rosenstein is fired on this BS Juliusseizure Feb 2018 #10
I don't think Trump has "counsel". Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #12
I've read the PDF "Memo" just now - that's ALL THEY'VE GOT ????? vkkv Feb 2018 #11
Thanks. elleng Feb 2018 #13
News Flash - professional prosecutors and ... Whiskeytide Feb 2018 #14
I just finished the memo and I am quite disappointed. It's RepubliCON whining about Hillary 101 Farmer-Rick Feb 2018 #16
Memo Juliusseizure Feb 2018 #17

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
2. Now let's see how the MSM handles this
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:43 PM
Feb 2018

If they simply report on the memo as if it was legitimate, unassailable, and a viable explanation of the truth, we can forever rid ourselves of the notion of a "liberal media".

If they tear it to pieces and show its obvious bias and lack of objectivity, then most Americans will see it for what it is.

The only squawking will come from the right wing echo chamber. They were predisposed to believe this shit anyway. They don't count.

Mainstream media: ball's in your court.

 

Spouting1horn

(46 posts)
15. Simply shocked
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:25 PM
Feb 2018

I thought the Republicans were the party of LE? How dare they question the integrity of the FBI, especially the top brass!

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
4. I just read the entire memo, it doesn't say shit
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:50 PM
Feb 2018

Carter Page was initially under surveillance authorized by a FISA warrant in 2013, before anyone, including Trump, thought he would run for anything.

Carter Page was visited by FBI officers and told that he was a target of Russian spies and was being recruited.

He ignored these warnings and continued to go to Russia, making ant-American speeches at a college sponsored by Putin.

How come all this public information is not also mentioned in the "memo"?

PaulRevere08

(449 posts)
5. Exactly! It's a big nothing burger. The memo also fails
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:57 PM
Feb 2018

to state that a judge (most likely a repub as over 80% of those overseeing FISA requests are) had to review the evidence and grant the requests. It would be interesting ti hear what the judge who ruled on the FISA application has to say.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
6. It gives Putin all he needs to know
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:58 PM
Feb 2018

The whole point was to shield spies and agents who were helping us in Russia. Putin will find them all and kill them in a short time, unless they have some way of getting out quickly. We've burned our sources and the whole world knows it. None of our allies will ever give us info again. Trump is an absolute fool.

This is a very sad day.


 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
7. Every person who supports this "memo" is a traitor, and should be treated as such
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:08 PM
Feb 2018

Every person who supports this fictional account orchestrated by Trump and the Republican Party should instantly be discredited, and definitely removed from any influence in your life. If you have any friends or family that supports this in any capacity, immediately distance yourself, including your children, from their vile influence. This is that serious, and we must start taking measures to actively suppress a purportedly-political organization that, in reality, is the most oppressive criminal organization in the history of the planet. NO EXCEPTIONS!!

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
8. Oh, please
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:14 PM
Feb 2018

If this is all hand-wringing and clothes rending bcuz Carter Page was spied on (even if the complaint was legit) then who the eff cares??? No one needed to ferret out his secrets when he sang like a canary every day on Chris Hayes’ show. Not only are these worms completely craven, they’re not even good at it!

hurple

(1,306 posts)
9. Well...
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:59 PM
Feb 2018

At least the obstruction of justice charges are now ironclad

Is it time to start burning trump in effigy in the streets yet?

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
10. What if Rosenstein is fired on this BS
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:00 PM
Feb 2018

Isn't that just further evidence of obstruction? I assume yes.

Does Trump know that? I assume yes. He has counsel.

Has Trump asked for a loyalty pledge from whoever assistant DOJ underling would temporarily take over for Rosenstein? I have to assume yes.

If he gets the loyalty pledge, could the underling then independently narrow the scope of Mueller's investigation? I'm sure Mueller is complying with the scope, so wouldn't that be obstruction on the underling's part?

Then does Mueller prosecute his temporary boss for obstruction, and Trump for ordering it? Ok, then Trump has to fire Mueller.

So then a replacement is appointed. If he's a loyalist, does he just end the investigation? With all this blatant evidence for obstruction? And dems just accept it? I'm just trying to understand the strategy.

It just seems like a desperate overreach, and assumes dems will just be forced/oppressed to accept it.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
12. I don't think Trump has "counsel".
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:15 PM
Feb 2018

That is, if you're referring to the squadron of nincompoops that he relies upon for legal "advice".

I wouldn't enlist any of Trump's lawyers to try to talk down a jaywalking ticket in night court.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
14. News Flash - professional prosecutors and ...
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:23 PM
Feb 2018

... Law enforcement are biased against guilty people. I’m stunned.

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
16. I just finished the memo and I am quite disappointed. It's RepubliCON whining about Hillary 101
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:57 PM
Feb 2018

It's nothing I already haven't heard the baby Trump complain about. It's amazing that this is considered classified. But of course I don't know the implications for agents out in the field.

You can even see Trump's tiny little fingerprints on it with the fact that it claims bias because no one mentioned Trump enough.

And it's all the Democratic party's fault.

Waa, waa, and more boo hoo hoos, by the RepubliCON who seem to NOT know they won the election and aren't running against Hillary anymore.

Trump needs to get over the fact that he with Putin's help is the president.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
17. Memo
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:01 PM
Feb 2018

I read it and on its face there's missing a lot of information, it's full of assumptions, conclusions and contradictions. I'm a lawyer btw which grants me the discipline to wade through this boring legalese.

Just a few obvious points, and I'm sure I'm missing many others:

- They didn't provide the whole FISA application, so its DOA if this went before a judge. McCabe's alleged statement there would be no FISA application without the dossier is the only mildly concerning thing to me,but the fact its buried somewhere on page 2 tells me its misleading.

- It seems limited to Carter Page. Its public record there's a lot of info. separate from the dossier that would give cause for a warrant.

- There's at least one FISA judge who had to find probable cause. Gee, one would think that Judge would rescind it, and penalize the alleged evildoers. Guess not.

- A lot of assumed political bias. Not proven on Steele's part at all, and a HUGE weakness is there's no connection made between alleged bias and known untrue evidence submitted in the FISA application.

- The GOP members of the intelligence committee pretending their investigation and conclusions of political bias in undisclosed FISA applications is somehow impartial is a fucking farce.

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