There were so many here that have said the votes were not tampered with; that it's not possible.

And the effect is the same anyway.

That's how they did it, looks like. Only in the swing states with electronic tabulation.

Voter databases were penetrated but vote counts wern't? Unlikely!

head of cybersecurity at the Department of Homeland Security, Jeanette Manfra - if this story is true, may just join the list of resignations...ahem....

WE KNEW IT ALL ALONG!
VOID this stupid coup & every law they changed, FOR every person harmed, every dollar they stole AND every bit of Top US Security Data they gave away.

McConnel was well aware of the coup already set in motion.
That's why he denied Pres Obama his right to seat a SC of his choice.

The proof is there but hidden in the datafiles. It's taking too long and the GOP is stalling for as much time as they can. Meanwhile the next elections are coming up and we have to protect our sovereignty and our democracy, or they will do it again. If it happens again, our goose is cooked.

Undo the damage now! Impeach the traitors, kick the Russians out of our business and our government.

The voter rolls in at least one state were altered, and 39 states were involved in the hacking.

http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data

The hacking of state and local election databases in 2016 was more extensive than previously reported, including at least one successful attempt to alter voter information, and the theft of thousands of voter records that contain private information like partial Social Security numbers, current and former officials tell TIME.

In one case, investigators found there had been a manipulation of voter data in a county database but the alterations were discovered and rectified, two sources familiar with the matter tell TIME. Investigators have not identified whether the hackers in that case were Russian agents.

The fact that private data was stolen from states is separately providing investigators a previously unreported line of inquiry in the probes into Russian attempts to influence the election. In Illinois, more than 90% of the nearly 90,000 records stolen by Russian state actors contained drivers license numbers, and a quarter contained the last four digits of voters’ Social Security numbers, according to Ken Menzel, the General Counsel of the State Board of Elections.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

affected vote totals. We may find out....eventually. Not during this administration's time.

Because, I think there are many in the intelligence community and many congressional leaders and party leaders who are old school and value stability and an appearance of continuity over public awareness of a collapse in our election processes.

If, a year ago, there had been clarion calls by a few in the know about an illegitimate election and illegitimate administration it could have serious effects on world stability and perception of the US. I would think that there could have been a way to stop and figure out that a coup occurred...but I wouldn't be surprised if hacking information was withheld from the public in the hopes that eventually a slow and steady approach could be found...in a way that avoids chaos, vulnerability, constitutional crisis.

If the Putin/45* hackers deleted voter records from heavily Democratic districts, even if some of the voters they deleted were repubs, statistically they'd be assured of tilting the vote total toward the repub side. Given how close those swing states were it wouldn't take a lot. How many people showed up on election day and found out they weren't on the voter rolls anymore? And out of those how many would go to all of the trouble to prove they were legitimately registered?

& their imaginary bot vote then registered for Trump?
Human Identities stolen & then given a bot name.

Conspiracy maybe, but maybe not.
I don't trust any of this voter coup to be legitimate.
That's why trump had 60 million votes but scant people showed up at his ignauration parade.
Because Bots Can't Show Up In Person!
They only appear in data.

They denied or discounted only a few, but enough Democrats their votes in a few areas and it was enough to swing one or two counties, in a key states. That's why it's so hard to prove, but they definitely did it. Ultra right-wing moles supported by Russian hackers did this, and many of the machines were actually hacked years ago. Let's face it, the Russians can hack anything given enough help by the complicit GOP, and everyone else looking the other way. Also the GOP played games with absentee ballots by "losing them" or otherwise disqualifying them.

Here's the key: the hacking only happened where electronic voting machines are used. Wherever paper ballots were/are in use, the cheating can't be done. Paper ballots mean there's a physical archive of documents in case a recount is needed. Electronic voting machines have no such safeguard, and that's why the GOP LOVES THEM!

Hacking the electronic voting machines + gerrymandering in many key states = Total control by the GOP
It has taken at least 20 years to get this point, but they showed us in 2016

This isn't exactly new news, and here's some other coverage:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210201621#post7

Oh wait, YES THEY DID!
Question: When will the Fucking Moron enforce them though???

Answer: NEVER!

Something has to be done to make this right and people need to be going to jail.

"The Blue Wave". I will not become overly confident. Nothing has changed since 2016. Fux Ruse has their cult/base, Facebook and Twitter haven't done anything to stop social media crap, big $$$ from Religious Right, NRA, Kochs, Mercers, big $$$ donors, MSM still is going after ratings/$ to a degree, everyone is aiding the Russian enemy, and too many people have been drinking the Kool-aid.

We have to get great candidates to run (especially women, minorities, etc.), volunteer to call and knock on doors and drive people to the polls, and donate small sums to candidates.

It needs to be soon.

WAPO article, 3 weeks after election:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/?utm_term=.ed9ce46c2c27



The most important states, though, were Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump won those states by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too.

... but skipped voting for POTUS? In Wisconsin Russ Feingold was @ > 90% chance of
winning.

including how many of them voted for whom. Names,addresses, email, party, voting history.

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45/140 wants to nationalize the build out of a national 5G wireless network. Fed Gov builds and companies buy spectrum. Granted 4G has not been profitable. Granted even more - 45/140 killed net neutrality. If the Kremlin Bunch manages, implements, and operationalizes it . . . I don't trust them to NOT give the Russians key to the kingdom.

It won't be secure - and Cyber War is a real thing. 100 years later and it would be building a Wireless Maginot Line. Lots of holes left in that "wall".

which includes names and likely party registration and/or voting record. This alone can be a very useful tool for targeted propaganda. My guess is that 2018 interference will be on a more massive scale than 2016 with more effective and nuanced if not personal propaganda tactics in key races. They are getting sophisticated in hiding ip addresses too.

what about the "Democratic establishment" being the reason that SCROTUS is in office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks very much like the Russians kicked very specific groups of people off of the voter rolls...

I wonder how a bunch of Russians could know which groups of people to remove. If only there was a company that had a database of all voters in the US and their likely voting patterns.

Oh wait... that's EXACTLY what Cambridge Analytica was doing. I guarantee you there is a connection.

Wisc seems especially ripe for fruitful investigation vis a vis Koch Machine & Putin teaming up to destroy our democracy one state at a time.

I hope this exposes the whole "rat's nest" of vote flipping and or vote dumping ....
in 2015 in KY's Governor's race the D. A.G. was at 5 points up but lost by 9 .... a
14 point swing.

The Russians had to have help from inside America too. BTW how did McConnell
know that if he waited until after the election he would have somebody new to pick
for SCOTUS?

and especially because there were Democrats elected in 3 top state positions (State Attorney General, State Treasurer, State Auditor General) AND additional Ds for the State Supreme Court allowing Democrats to control it, yet McGinty & Clinton lose.

He’s been so foolish lately with his antics questioning the FBI and wondering if there’s a “secret society.” Seems like he’s been told to toe the party line, self-respect be damned.

and wanted to designate the elections process as "critical infrastructure" (which would trigger funding and federal assistance to secure the systems) but the (GOP) states weren't having it.

"Government overreach" was the response.

between the entire Republican Party Infrastructure and the bottomless pockets of Putin. They have precisely the same methods and goals. Trump has just behaved out loud what they've all been up to together for a very long time.

Trumps collusion, and obstruction of justice constitutes TREASON in my opinion.

“I’m shocked!” said absolutely no one who’s been paying attention.

“There are a lot of ways the Russians can meddle in the elections, a lot of different tools they can use,” he said.

“We are seeing a number of important elections in this hemisphere this year and leading up as well to the U.S. in 2018.”

“I think it's important we just continue to say to Russia, ‘Look, you think we don't see what you're doing. We do see it and you need to stop. If you don't, you're going to just continue to invite consequences for yourself,’” he told Fox.

BULL. SHIT.
So...we don't have the capability to cripple the Russian internet system?
We need better technicians.

Might his caseload expand to the penetration of voter registration rolls?

Ken Starr went from Whitewater to a BJ.

support to the states to secure their voting systems.

Big difference.

Every time Trump sees his good pal Vlad he says he didn't do it! And if we can't believe our "president", and a nice guy like Vlad, who can we believe?

Shitler must go! He's an illegitimate "president", and he's destroying our country!

They're already conspiring with the Russians to rig our upcoming elections.

accuracy of voter rolls across 50 states beforehand, and by court decree, surrender all corporate ownership of voting machine hard drives to FBI voting monitors and management.

Understanding how it happened is the booby prize.

It's been time to do something systematic across the nation, and there's no state or national leadership to make that happen.

So it will happen again until we step up and help defend against a bad system that's supposed to create good government.

It wasn’t the angry rural white voter that did it, HRC didn’t run a bad campaign, and it wasn’t that Trump went back to Wisconsin … it was a hacked election and Russia had to have inside help in America to do it. Once again how did McConnell know that after the election he would have somebody else to pick for SCOTUS? And the media and the democratic leadership will not do or say s damn thing. No doubt this also affected many other races too such as the senate races in PA and WI.

Ever since they passed HAVA (help america vote act) that had all of us voting on electronic machines
we have seen a "red shift" in the vote that goes against the population dynamics of America.

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national audit. Do you want to audit voter rolls? Machines? Counters? Software?

On first thought, it sounds good, but think about it: a national audit for the third largest country on the planet would still have to be properly monitored every step of the way, from precincts to capitol buildings.

This is probably too big a country to interrupt reform with an audit. We already have enough systematic fraud evidence to go on without letting this huge audit become a whole other layer of problem to solve, don't you think.

Simply put, your suggestion is impossible to implement.

Paper ballots, though, can wipe out all the digital "problems," domestic or foreign. Paper ballots can be assigned serial numbers and implemented -- with voter copies -- across the US's 3,142 counties.

A count can be witnessed by lawyers, filmed, with certifications delivered like money by armored truck to state auditors and foreign observers. Yeah, it takes longer, but so what.

When Virginia eliminated all digital election machines and went to paper ballots, the state suddenly turned blue.

Imagine that. Across the country.

From what I have seen Florida was a mathematical impossibility for Trump to
win because of the early vote .... he needed to win >80% of all the vote on
election day to win but that would have been impossible because some predominantly
African American areas voted that day.

I think Beth Clarkson of Wichita State U. would be good a person to talk to.

the url addresses (i.e. 10.11.12.13) for that server..... In distributed batch processing, if you're executing on a specific url......it's very easy to switch to another server/another rogue programming. Execute the rogue program/batch and 'switch' back to original server(url). That's how you programmatically alter vote results without anyone watching the screens noticing.t
We need to have access to all server logs as well as paper scanned ballots...for post election verification....see if url was ever changed, then changed back..

A simple FOI request will get you the same information. To do harm Russia would have to alter the data in some way. Did that happen?