So....republicans?

The company you keep Marco

as in "a disgusting group of idiot Republicans" who made up the claim...

You can't hide behind that cheezy extremist story after grabbing up all that cash.
Get 'em, Kids!!

Common sense alone would seem to indicate that a secret operation of this magnitude would not long remain secret. I guess you can't expect to reason someone out of a position they didn't arrive at via reason. If I were one of the grieving parents and someone spouted this nonsense in my hearing...

How, like you said, it would difficult to have everyone remain silent. Especially these child actors, who are now prepared to live their whole rest of their lives upholding this massive lie.

Also, what about the blood and bodies? Has this been all faked for the cameras? Amazing job. But it would mean that most every student and teacher were also in on it, as they would have had to take time to elaborately set the stage so to speak. What about the kids that have been, allegedly, shot and/or killed. Are they long time students at the school? I'm sure most were. They all had friends who knew them. So you'd have to believe that they just pretended to be friends and were meeting secretly behind closed doors. And then after the fake massacre, they were whisked away and given new names and new parents or guardians.

Then there's all the first responders. All in on it as well. They'd have to be. They would be the ones that pretended that the fake blood and hollywood calibre gore makeup was real. So all of them are deep state operatives, and this was planned for decades already, with individuals applying to work in the closest precincts and hospitals to the 'target' school at a set future date.

All these parents were seen raising these kids for years already. But they were all like the actors on The Americans?

And for what grand purpose? To try and force politicians to make gun control laws? How has that worked so far? That any secret society or group would spend that much effort, and be able to recruit that many psychopathic personalities, including child actors to be in on this to try and shame lawmakers into doing the right thing is beyond ludicrous . So bleeding heart liberals who care about lax gun laws because in part they are responsible for other mass shootings, will cold-bloodedly set up a horror show like this to make a point?

The fact that these "its all a hoax" trolls have this much of a voice is astounding. I'm sure much of it is stoked by Russian trolls.

The first time I encountered it I was just floored. But they keep banging on about it and they spread it as far and wide as they possibly can. The most irritating thing is that when you debunk it with facts and/or plain old common sense, they come back with "Aha, but that just proves what I've been saying!!1" It's like banging your head against a really, really stupid brick wall.

It's infuriating, and it's also dangerous, as the Pizzagate nonsense proved.

That if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.

Could it have been Russians spreading this disinformation?

But its also like a snowball. Putin trolls may start some snowballs, and others only add to the snowball along with other brainwashed Americans. A deplorable may see a Russian trolls tweet and then be encouraged to add something himself, or retweet the lie as fact to his friends. And so on.

Putins goal and efforts, probably ever since he was first Russian President, was a covert operation to undermine the American democracy. Russia lost the cold war and he was hell bent on using social media as a weapon to get back. And of course courting potential manchurian candidates. But his goal was and is to simply cause tension and upheaval between different groups.

Thats why he funds both tea party deplorable groups, and the NRA, and GOP campaigns, but also has used RT news to let liberal hosts rail on against the right wing corporate class, and concern trolled Green and Bernie sites before the election. The difference between the two is of course, one side uses fake news and CT, and the other just has to repeat the facts as they are, and Donnie's own words. But in the end, it still causes chaos.

And evil.

People hear a "fact" and just accept it without even thinking about it. It just settles into their brains and nests there, unless it's somehow challenged. Given that most people exist within a bubble that confirms their views, I don't think most are challenged that often. Then other "facts" in support of the first are put out there, and it eventually becomes a distorted worldview of "alternate facts."

This is why things like Rush Limbaugh and InfoWars and Fox News are so insidious. They piggyback on each other to completely obfuscate the truth, and people are so apathetic that they never bother to question what they're being told. They don't seek out differing viewpoints. When they finally do encounter someone or something that challenges these "facts" they interpret that as a threat and attack it, because it's "fake news."

Most of my family are diehard conservatives, so I've seen this play out several times. The best word I can use to describe it is what I said above: insidious.

Apathy is another head of the hydra. Along with voter suppression laws, crosscheck, gerrymandering. Along with a concerted effort by a crack troll team from both the GOP, and amateur American internet savvy true believers, as well as from Putin's troll factories.

One day a proper sociological study will be made of how this methodology works so well. To add to your assertions, I think the professional looking TV studio, plus high tech animated graphics, on Fox News gives them an air of professionalism. Like they really are a news network. They studied decades of the other major networks and how they set up a news broadcast and copied it and even amplified it, with even more extreme graphics, and hired sexy, usually blonde, women to read the news, and be commentators. Sex sells and they use it.

And that piggybacking they use to pass around their fake news 'developments' works great on a population that has been conditioned by decades of mostly professional and ethical behaviour by the other big 3 networks, who when they'd say things like "it has been reported such and such..." ...it really HAD been reported somewhere else backed by credited sources. But Fox will use some line like that to propagate yet another lie or CT that perhaps Rush spewed out on his show. Or visa versa. There is a whole RW media circle jerk out their repeating each others lies to the point where one doesn't even know where it started. But it all sounds so legit if EVERYBODY is saying it. (Everybody meaning the only shows one watches or listens to), including all their similar friends and family that hears the same things.

And, I have to say it, another brilliant tactic that the RW has mastered is accusing the other side of what they are doing. Sometimes even before they themselves are caught. Trumps team took a page out of that book, and got out ahead of the game, when he first coined the term "fake news". Using that repeated meme to defang any future accusations that actually it was Trump (and Putin) that were spreading the fake news. So that even if they are caught, the population that are less political savvy, will read the situation as, at the very least, ALL sides use fake news...and so you cannot trust anyone.

Many if not most of the people believe with every fiber of their being that around 3000 years ago some 600 year old dude built a big boat and put all the animals on earth inside this ship while the entire earth flooded. Many of them believe that explains the dinosaurs going away.

Still questioning their gullibility? They are just fucking stupid and have never had an original thought in their life.

I once tried to tell my mom that the Bible shouldn't be taken literally, especially the bits about people living to be 900 years old and the Ark and such. As a for instance from the conversation, the "40 days and 40 nights" thing for the Ark and for Jesus going into the wilderness. The expression "40 days and 40 nights" is a Hebraic idiom from that time. It essentially means "no one knows exactly how long it was, but it was quite a while."

Yeah, no sale. She was adamant that it was literally 40 days and 40 nights. I eventually gave up because the conversation was becoming uncomfortable. So I know very well what you're talking about.

As an aside, whereabouts on the Coast are you from? I grew up in Ocean Springs, MS.

Grew up in Baton Rouge with a fish camp near Houma. Since getting out of college have spent 30 years in Central Florida.

But the gulf coast has always been the focus of our recreation. From pulling the boat over for a day of fishing and scalloping out of crystal river to weeks long vacations with the boat on the gulf.

We have a place and plan on retiring in a small town on the gulf in the eastern panhandle.

I am fortunate enough to travel to amazing places. But none of them compare to the Gulf for me. The gulf coast will always be my spiritual home. And I do not believe in spiritual!!

Back to the subject at hand...I firmly believe that if some of the more fundamentalist Christians In my family represented a large majority of the nation, they would as repressive as the Taliban.

I moved there when I was 6, since my dad got stationed at Keesler. For all intents and purposes, it's home to me even though I was born in Oklahoma.

I really miss the Coast. People have this idea that Mississippi is banjos and toothless hayseed rednecks, and while that may be true of some parts of the state, the Coast is (or was, I left in 1998) fairly cosmopolitan. I miss the food most of all. Say what you will about Southerners, but damn do they know how to cook! I never got to do much boating, but I enjoyed being out on the water when I did get the chance.

And yeah, there are definitely some Christians who would happily enforce Taliban-style edicts, right up to stoning non-believers. I've never understood that mentality, because the Christians who think that way are... really grim in their outlook. They don't seem to be happy as a result of their faith. They're always ready to do battle, to the point that they totally forfeit the positive emotions. Let's hope those types die out. I'd just as soon not have that Jesus Camp documentary turn out to be prophetic.

We must stand with the Parkland young folks. They are our hope and future.

...yes, I am well aware of the hypocrisy involved. Yes, these are their "base". Even so. If Rubio wants, at least for awhile, to join the Coalition of the Sane...this can only be a good thing for the country. Yes, it's obscene to even have to discuss this. But if people on both sides attack the obscenity, maybe it will get a little less toxic.

And JarJar Kingston is another one.
Both of them can kiss my ass!

In about twenty lifetimes.

Grrr.

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http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/20/parkland-students-come-under-attack-for-their-outspokenness/




Update: Hours after this story posted, an aide to state Rep. Shawn Harrison, R-Tampa, Benjamin Kelly, sent an email to Alex Leary saying:

"Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen." Asked for backup to that claim, Kelly sent another email with a link to a YouTube conspiracy video about one of the students.

"There is a clip on you tube that shows Mr. Hogg out in California. (I guess he transferred?)," Kelly's email read.

Asked about the email, Harrison said: "If my aide disparaged a student from Parkland who is grieving than I will deal most strongly with my aide. … Clearly it was inappropriate for him to send that."

After that, he said Kelly had been put on leave.

Link to tweet

except for scumbag state reps who secretly agree with their aide's contempt for common decency. Otherwise, he would have fired his ass on the spot.

I agree with Rubio. Whoa.

I don't often tip my hat to a republican, but he could just as easily remained silent and let people think what they want. If asked directly about it, he could have dodged and weaved his way through distancing himself from the statement as so many do.

Instead, he manned up and flatly called those fellow party members what they are, idiots.

Shawn Harrison? @Shawnfor63

I was just made aware that my aide made an insensitive and inappropriate allegation about Parkland students today. I have spoken to him and placed him on leave until we determine an appropriate course of action. I do not share his opinion and he did so without my knowledge.
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FIRE THAT AIDE NOW PLEASE!
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Not a good look when you're running for re-election in the state this tragedy happened in...especially not when you have a) an A rating from the NRA and b) a Democrat opponent
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Her name is Fentrice Driskell, for anyone wondering
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@FentriceD follow her on Twitter and then vote this guy out.
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Also you can donate to her campaign here: http://fentriceforflorida.com/contribute ! I'm about to do so right now.

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prove it marco .

SCARED

...massacres, to taunt grieving family members by suggesting their loved ones are not dead, that it is all being faked, is so egregiously vile that I cannot even find words.

I wouldn't put it past those bastards to set these kids up, maybe with actors of their own.

Pigs.

Kingston turns everything into a threat from the left, and the left is always wrong. He's seriously fscked up and evil, and CNN should lose him as a "voice of the right".

Conservatives are, sadly, necessary for the sole reason that they show peeps what the left is not. Kinda like darkness. You won't appreciate the light without knowing darkness. You won't appreciate multiculti and diversity without knowing the horror of "all white christian reconstruction" theory garbage. Listen to the christian reconstructionists up in moscow idaho (i'm not kidding!) or the KKK and you'll truly appreciate multiculti and diversity.

Remember that Democracy implies debate and contrasting opinions. Democracy says, "it's okay that we don't agree."

"even a broken clock is right twice a day."

The GOP sought out these Alex Jones/Steve Bannon-type conspiracy theory mongers. The GOP owns them.

These are YOUR idiots. It's what your pollicies and rhetoric attract. Don't like it, then change.