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George II

(67,782 posts) Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:08 PM Feb 2018

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BREAKING: Mueller files new charges against Manafort

Source: MSNBC

A federal Grand Jury has returned a superseding indictment against Paul Manafort. It alleges he, "secretly retained a group of former senior European politicians to take positions favorable to Ukraine, including by lobbying in the United States.”

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Read more: http://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/breaking-mueller-files-new-charges-against-paul-manafort-1169011779970

The train has left the station, and it's picking up steam!

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BREAKING: Mueller files new charges against Manafort (Original Post) George II Feb 2018 OP

Mueller is applying the pressure big time! Downtown Hound Feb 2018 #1

pppplease flamingdem Feb 2018 #11

I'm thinking in that direction, too. malthaussen Feb 2018 #18

Mueller will go down in history for this, to be sure. Downtown Hound Feb 2018 #19

pdf here jberryhill Feb 2018 #2

Thanks. Good stuff in that document. George II Feb 2018 #6

thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #30

Manafort Destiny Blue Owl Feb 2018 #3

I like that - though not territorial expansion, indictments expansion! George II Feb 2018 #4

Putin will probably take him out Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #5

Yeah I was looking at a weather forecast and saw that on AP BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #14

A brief AP report: Princess Turandot Feb 2018 #7

Former chancellor? "Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schrder nominated to Russia's Rosneft board" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #25

Not looking like he'll be taking his Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #8

Ho ho! Dear Paulie Walnuts, have a nice weekend, you traitor and scumbucket! Signed TCB. n/t Turn CO Blue Feb 2018 #9

No wonder Dotard has been saying such stupid (even for him) stuff lately. mobeau69 Feb 2018 #10

Mrs. Webster the third grade teacher surely knows how to sling a gun flamingdem Feb 2018 #12

Never, never misunderestimate the dotard! mobeau69 Feb 2018 #16

The GOP platform was written favorable to Russia and eastern Ukraine. joshcryer Feb 2018 #13

Yep. The RUSSIAN side of Ukraine. George II Feb 2018 #15

I'm thinking Mr Manafort is toast. n/t malthaussen Feb 2018 #17

Bless his heart. I'm thinking Russian agents may be rolled up Hortensis Feb 2018 #32

Random tinfoil theory woundedkarma Feb 2018 #20

Manafort needs to give his prison forwarding address to AARP. 3Hotdogs Feb 2018 #21

What is the Russian/Ukraine equivalent to the AARP? George II Feb 2018 #22

Nail that as s! laserhaas Feb 2018 #23

I'll bet Manafort will have a fatal accident in prison. Ligyron Feb 2018 #24

Wouldn't be surprised if he meets a dark, mysterious fate before trial AdamGG Feb 2018 #28

And republithugs will try to tie HRC to it. fleabiscuit Feb 2018 #31

Notice that the more active Mueller gets, the more distractions Trump comes up with? Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #26

That's probably why shortly after Gates flipped, Mueller added new charges. He probably.... George II Feb 2018 #27

The safest place for Manafort for the reast of his life erlewyne Feb 2018 #29

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)

1. Mueller is applying the pressure big time!

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:09 PM

Feb 2018

And if I had to guess, I'd venture these new charges have something to do with the plea agreement he just got from Gates. Basically saying, "I've got Gates and everything I need to put you away for a long time. Now give me Trump or that's what I'm going to do!"

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)

11. pppplease

Reply to Downtown Hound (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:25 PM

Feb 2018

be true

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)

18. I'm thinking in that direction, too.

Reply to Downtown Hound (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:45 PM

Feb 2018

The fun part is that Mr Manafort is only one potential route into the Trump administration.

I'm wishing I worked for the Special Investigator. Oh, to be a fly on that wall.

-- Mal

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)

19. Mueller will go down in history for this, to be sure.

Reply to malthaussen (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:49 PM

Feb 2018

Yeah, I think Trump is cooked even without Manafort. But I'm thinking that with Manafort, the whole dirty, rotten, lying swindling house is going to come down, and crashing down HARD.

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

2. pdf here

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:10 PM

Feb 2018

It includes further information on an interesting lobbying arrangement involving former European politicians, Company A, and Company B.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download

George II

(67,782 posts)

6. Thanks. Good stuff in that document.

Reply to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:14 PM

Feb 2018

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,403 posts)

30. thanks!

Reply to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:26 PM

Feb 2018

Blue Owl

(50,490 posts)

3. Manafort Destiny

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:13 PM

Feb 2018

n/t

George II

(67,782 posts)

4. I like that - though not territorial expansion, indictments expansion!

Reply to Blue Owl (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:14 PM

Feb 2018

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)

5. Putin will probably take him out

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:14 PM

Feb 2018

right now someone rammed barrier at WH

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)

14. Yeah I was looking at a weather forecast and saw that on AP

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:35 PM

Feb 2018

from a link at one of my local TV stations. Just posted it in LBN here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141996448

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)

7. A brief AP report:

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:14 PM

Feb 2018

AP, via Sacramento Bee https://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article201753554.html

4:40 p.m.

Special counsel Robert Mueller is accusing President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman of secretly paying former European politicians to lobby on behalf of Ukraine.

The new allegation against Paul Manafort comes in a newly unsealed indictment made public Friday. The indictment followed a guilty plea by Manafort's longtime business associate, Rick Gates.

The indictment accuses Manafort of paying the former politicians, informally known as the "Hapsburg group," to appear to be "independent" analysts when in fact they were paid lobbyists. Some of the covert lobbying took place in the U.S.

The indictment says the group was managed by a former European chancellor. Court papers accuse Manafort of using offshore accounts to pay the group more than 2 million euros.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,355 posts)

25. Former chancellor? "Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schrder nominated to Russia's Rosneft board"

Reply to Princess Turandot (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:33 PM

Feb 2018

A friend of the Russian president, former German Chancellor Schröder has been working for the Russian energy industry since he lost to Chancellor Merkel in 2005. Rosneft has been hit by Western sanctions.

A Russian government decree published late on Friday night nominated former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder to join the board of the Russian energy giant Rosneft. The company is majority-owned by the Russian government and has its headquarters near the Kremlin in Moscow.

Schröder was nominated as a non-executive director of Rosneft as part of the company's plans to increase the number of board directors from nine to 11. His name was one of seven presented in the decree signed by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and published on the Russian government's website.

Rosneft is the world’s largest publicly traded petroleum company and is headed by Igor Sechin, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who served as deputy prime minister until 2012. The company has been hit by Western sanctions following Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea region and its support for pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine.

Schröder has publicly opposed the sanctions placed on Rosneft.

http://www.dw.com/en/former-german-chancellor-gerhard-schr%C3%B6der-nominated-to-russias-rosneft-board/a-40070458

Though NBC notes:

The term chancellor is used in only a small number of countries, including Germany and Austria. The Associated Press reported last year that Mercury LLC, which was involved in the Manafort lobbying effort, employed former Austrian Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer as an expert. He could not immediately be reached for comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-trump-campaign-aide-rick-gates-set-plead-guilty-n849256

Phoenix61

(17,018 posts)

8. Not looking like he'll be taking his

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:15 PM

Feb 2018

kids anywhere for spring break.

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)

9. Ho ho! Dear Paulie Walnuts, have a nice weekend, you traitor and scumbucket! Signed TCB. n/t

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:15 PM

Feb 2018

mobeau69

(11,156 posts)

10. No wonder Dotard has been saying such stupid (even for him) stuff lately.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:15 PM

Feb 2018

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)

12. Mrs. Webster the third grade teacher surely knows how to sling a gun

Reply to mobeau69 (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:27 PM

Feb 2018

and such

Can it get more stupid?

We'll see!

mobeau69

(11,156 posts)

16. Never, never misunderestimate the dotard!

Reply to flamingdem (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:37 PM

Feb 2018

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)

13. The GOP platform was written favorable to Russia and eastern Ukraine.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:33 PM

Feb 2018

It's just now that we're seeing that Trump was literally elected as a puppet. When it comes out that he was compromised it will be clear he is unable to fulfill his duties as President.

George II

(67,782 posts)

15. Yep. The RUSSIAN side of Ukraine.

Reply to joshcryer (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:35 PM

Feb 2018

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)

17. I'm thinking Mr Manafort is toast. n/t

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:42 PM

Feb 2018

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

32. Bless his heart. I'm thinking Russian agents may be rolled up

Reply to malthaussen (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 02:52 PM

Feb 2018

in a bunch of cooperating nations that Russia's been making the same kind of war on. This would undoubtedly involve seizing assets purchased with stolen and laundered fortunes.

Foreign governments have been trying to deal with this occult warfare with varying degrees of success for a long time now.

Question: We know foreign governments are helping us. Has, or how much has, bringing us into this war started substantially helping them? Do we have an international critical mass yet?

woundedkarma

(498 posts)

20. Random tinfoil theory

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:22 PM

Feb 2018

Consider the possibility that Mueller has everything he needs.

That he's releasing these new indictments one after another.

Each one, he well.. he was giving a few days for the media to look through them, stew and chew 'em and then regurgitate it to their listeners.

Russians, money laundering, now bribery.

I think these indictments are going to keep getting released at a drip-drip pace until everything is tied together in a way that many americans will have followed.

(the alternative.. everything coming in one big boom... would have been whitewashed and smoothed over by the republicans way too easily... but the drip drip drip... keeps people riveted and every time they cover for one thing they get exposed to the next)

It's just a thought.. and likely completely wrong. But thought it was worth sharing.

3Hotdogs

(12,402 posts)

21. Manafort needs to give his prison forwarding address to AARP.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:36 PM

Feb 2018

George II

(67,782 posts)

22. What is the Russian/Ukraine equivalent to the AARP?

Reply to 3Hotdogs (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:37 PM

Feb 2018

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)

23. Nail that as s!

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:22 PM

Feb 2018

Link to tweet

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)

24. I'll bet Manafort will have a fatal accident in prison.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:31 PM

Feb 2018

AdamGG

(1,294 posts)

28. Wouldn't be surprised if he meets a dark, mysterious fate before trial

Reply to Ligyron (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 09:00 PM

Feb 2018

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)

31. And republithugs will try to tie HRC to it.

Reply to AdamGG (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 24, 2018, 02:41 PM

Feb 2018

Welcome to DU.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)

26. Notice that the more active Mueller gets, the more distractions Trump comes up with?

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:42 PM

Feb 2018

Heard on the news that Gates flipping is a big deal, since he can add to Manafort's woes. Gates has evidence against Manafort, of course. They were partners in crime.

George II

(67,782 posts)

27. That's probably why shortly after Gates flipped, Mueller added new charges. He probably....

Reply to Honeycombe8 (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:59 PM

Feb 2018

....was ready but needed a little more corroboration. Gates gave him that.

That man (Mueller) is one shrewd prosecutor!

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)

29. The safest place for Manafort for the reast of his life

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 09:27 PM

Feb 2018

Is in prison if he stays on the good side of the G.O.P.

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