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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:09 AM Feb 2018

Trump Talks New Gun Measures, Gun Owners Talk 'Betrayal'

Source: Associated Press




February 24, 2018 at 8:26 am

DENVER (CBSMiami/AP) — President Donald Trump is upsetting a new group of Americans; his own supporters.

As Trump talked this week about banning “bump stocks” and curbing young people’s access to guns, the gun owners and advocates who helped propel his political rise talked about desertion and betrayal.

Trump’s flirtation with a set of modest gun control measures drew swift condemnation from gun groups, hunters and sportsmen who banked on the president to be a stalwart opponent to any new gun restrictions.

In his pledge to make schools safer and curb gun violence after the massacre at a Florida high school, gun advocates see a weakening resolve from the man they voted for in droves and spent millions to elect.

Read more: https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/02/24/trump-talks-new-gun-measures/

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Trump Talks New Gun Measures, Gun Owners Talk 'Betrayal' (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2018 OP
Stupid asses if they trusted him. lark Feb 2018 #1
gun groups, hunters and sportsmen paleotn Feb 2018 #2
Not only that, jeffreyi Feb 2018 #9
Suck it, pro-gun militants. Suck it HARD. (nt) Paladin Feb 2018 #3
Talk is cheap. malthaussen Feb 2018 #4
This hunter and sportsman want weapons of war off our streets GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #5
!!!!! vkkv Feb 2018 #16
They can just wait 20 minutes. christx30 Feb 2018 #6
what is fox telling him Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #7
The momentum STOPPED all right. Shouldn't you have Hortensis Feb 2018 #10
the momentum has returned Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #11
I hope you're right that momentum is returning. Hortensis Feb 2018 #12
there! Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #13
+1000! Hortensis Feb 2018 #15
wait til next week gun nuts D_Master81 Feb 2018 #8
I don't think they're really upset. They know they just have to put on a show fighting this. Calista241 Feb 2018 #14

lark

(23,138 posts)
1. Stupid asses if they trusted him.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:15 AM
Feb 2018

durmpf has no soul, no inner compass, no morals at all, it's all situational, how does he look best. That's all he cares about, winning "points", hurting brown/black/poor/working class and pleasing Putin. Guess Putin didn't get to him soon enough this time, but don't be surprised if congress passes a bill doing these things and Putin calls and tells him to veto it, he 100% will do as commanded.

paleotn

(17,938 posts)
2. gun groups, hunters and sportsmen
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:19 AM
Feb 2018

shouldn't that read nuts, psychos and idiots? Hunters / sportsmen, and women for that matter, don't require bump stocks, semi-auto, 50 round magazines, body armour piercing bullets and silencers. Gun groups are pretty interchangeable with nuts, psychos and idiots.

jeffreyi

(1,943 posts)
9. Not only that,
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 03:42 PM
Feb 2018

Hunters hunt on public land. Hunters aren't liking the current assaults on our collective property.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
4. Talk is cheap.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:24 AM
Feb 2018

Whisky costs money.

Seriously, the number of rumors and leaks from the WH about what Mr Trump is "talking about" or "considering" don't impress me much. What the fool does is what matters.

-- Mal

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
16. !!!!!
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:24 PM
Feb 2018

You said it. I'm having great fun with my new BL-22 Grade 2. Iron cites, hits reactive targets at 50 yards when I'm steady.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
6. They can just wait 20 minutes.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:19 PM
Feb 2018

He'll totally change his mind, and flatly deny ever talking about any gun controls. Trump is no threat whatsoever to gun nuts' toys.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,391 posts)
7. what is fox telling him
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 02:47 PM
Feb 2018

TrumPutin gets his final orders through Fox. Just have to wait and see what Putin passes through to him.

Meanwhile, from the article:


Colorado has been a test case for the politics of gun control and the ability of gun groups to retaliate against those who vote for it. In 2013, after the Aurora theater shooting was followed by the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, Colorado’s Democrat-controlled state legislature passed a package of gun restrictions, including universal background checks and a ban on magazines that hold more than 15 bullets.

Gun control advocates hoped to roll the program out to other states after showing a libertarian, Western state could pass the bills. But then the NRA backed successful recalls of two Democratic state lawmakers who backed the legislation. The momentum ended.

Democrats won back those seats in the 2016 election. Still, the message has lingered: Democrats have not proposed any major gun legislation since the recalls.


Need to take away some more of the NRA's power. I don't know how to do that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. The momentum STOPPED all right. Shouldn't you have
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 03:45 PM
Feb 2018

mentioned that Colorado voters punished the Democrats for passing only a couple of sensible gun control bills by putting Republicans in control of the senate and just short of control of the house?

"Democrats have not proposed any major gun legislation since the recalls." No kidding. Success requires the right time and conditions.

This implied criticism of people who fought very hard and paid a huge price for passing even limited gun control in Colorado is not just incomplete, it denies and insults the commitment of Colorado's Democratic caucuses to stopping the slaughter.

Why? When it's the Republicans who are determined to perpetuate the slaughter and -- critically -- the voters lack the necessary commitment to gun control?

Ballotpedia: "In 2013 and 2014, Democrats were disabused of any sense of invincibility. The newly Democratic-controlled legislature ruffled feathers by enacting several liberal-leaning bills, most notably a gun control measure in the wake of a massacre at a movie theater in suburban Aurora. The measure imposed background checks for private gun sales and a cap on ammunition magazines of 15 rounds. In a low-turnout recall election, two Democratic lawmakers who had voted for the gun bill were ousted in a fight that drew in both the National Rifle Association and gun-control supporters like New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. On Election Day 2014, Democratic Sen. Mark Udall, who began the election cycle seeming not especially vulnerable, lost to GOP Rep. Cory Gardner by 2 points after focusing excessively on abortion and other social issues; the GOP took over the state Senate and fell just short in the state House. Hickenlooper - like Gardner, buoyed by his personality - prevailed by 3 points."

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,391 posts)
11. the momentum has returned
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 05:28 PM
Feb 2018

I think you may have misread my comment. There was no implied criticism. Sorry I was not clearer.

LBN on here shows multiple corporations separating themselves from the NRA, due to the grassroots protests the teens in Florida started. Quinnipiac shows the highest support ever for gun control measures. The same poll shows that most people want Democrats in control of both House and Senate.

This is a different time, but the NRA is not toothless and they will push for more guns through all the same puppets and megaphones. (TrumPutin will be steered back to spouting NRA marketing, soon. He's only cooing about "gun measures" because of the publicity the survivors of the massacre have put on him).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. I hope you're right that momentum is returning.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 05:51 PM
Feb 2018

There are really promising signs. But the NRA's power lies in its ability to get out the vote for or against hopeful candidates, and gun rights zealots won't drop away the way corporations are, may even double down if that's possible.

Sorry that I misunderstood the bald statement without explanation as reflecting your own thoughts. That Democrats don't do anything, don't reflect the people's wishes, don't stand up for their principles, yada-yada, are such common laments of those who don't look, and often don't vote as a result.

In 2018 we desperately need to get congress away from the people directing the Republican Party, so I'd guess that we will not rush to push gun control in races where there is still strong sentiment against it, or any other strong wedge issue. No matter how important they are, of course, we can only do something about them if voters give us the power to do so.

If more people can understand that does not mean lack of commitment to principles, we will be that much stronger in the midterms. Maybe more as negative complaints to others drop.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,391 posts)
13. there!
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 06:35 PM
Feb 2018

You said:


In 2018 we desperately need to get congress away from the people directing the Republican Party, so I'd guess that we will not rush to push gun control in races where there is still strong sentiment against it, or any other strong wedge issue. No matter how important they are, of course, we can only do something about them if voters give us the power to do so.


I wish that could be drummed into the head of every 'purity' voter out there! I'd be tickled to see a Democratic candidate on the ticket where I live, regardless of his or her stance on gun control. They don't have to support everything I want, just caucus with Dems to make the country better for all, step by step.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
8. wait til next week gun nuts
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 02:53 PM
Feb 2018

he'll be back in your camp soon enough. He's just goes whichever way the wind is blowing at the moment.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
14. I don't think they're really upset. They know they just have to put on a show fighting this.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 06:49 PM
Feb 2018

or the next time they'll be giving up more.

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