Trump Talks New Gun Measures, Gun Owners Talk 'Betrayal'
Source: Associated Press
February 24, 2018 at 8:26 am
DENVER (CBSMiami/AP) President Donald Trump is upsetting a new group of Americans; his own supporters.
As Trump talked this week about banning bump stocks and curbing young peoples access to guns, the gun owners and advocates who helped propel his political rise talked about desertion and betrayal.
Trumps flirtation with a set of modest gun control measures drew swift condemnation from gun groups, hunters and sportsmen who banked on the president to be a stalwart opponent to any new gun restrictions.
In his pledge to make schools safer and curb gun violence after the massacre at a Florida high school, gun advocates see a weakening resolve from the man they voted for in droves and spent millions to elect.
Read more: https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/02/24/trump-talks-new-gun-measures/
lark
(23,138 posts)durmpf has no soul, no inner compass, no morals at all, it's all situational, how does he look best. That's all he cares about, winning "points", hurting brown/black/poor/working class and pleasing Putin. Guess Putin didn't get to him soon enough this time, but don't be surprised if congress passes a bill doing these things and Putin calls and tells him to veto it, he 100% will do as commanded.
paleotn
(17,938 posts)shouldn't that read nuts, psychos and idiots? Hunters / sportsmen, and women for that matter, don't require bump stocks, semi-auto, 50 round magazines, body armour piercing bullets and silencers. Gun groups are pretty interchangeable with nuts, psychos and idiots.
jeffreyi
(1,943 posts)Hunters hunt on public land. Hunters aren't liking the current assaults on our collective property.
Paladin
(28,269 posts)malthaussen
(17,215 posts)Whisky costs money.
Seriously, the number of rumors and leaks from the WH about what Mr Trump is "talking about" or "considering" don't impress me much. What the fool does is what matters.
-- Mal
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)You said it. I'm having great fun with my new BL-22 Grade 2. Iron cites, hits reactive targets at 50 yards when I'm steady.
christx30
(6,241 posts)He'll totally change his mind, and flatly deny ever talking about any gun controls. Trump is no threat whatsoever to gun nuts' toys.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,391 posts)TrumPutin gets his final orders through Fox. Just have to wait and see what Putin passes through to him.
Meanwhile, from the article:
Colorado has been a test case for the politics of gun control and the ability of gun groups to retaliate against those who vote for it. In 2013, after the Aurora theater shooting was followed by the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, Colorados Democrat-controlled state legislature passed a package of gun restrictions, including universal background checks and a ban on magazines that hold more than 15 bullets.
Gun control advocates hoped to roll the program out to other states after showing a libertarian, Western state could pass the bills. But then the NRA backed successful recalls of two Democratic state lawmakers who backed the legislation. The momentum ended.
Democrats won back those seats in the 2016 election. Still, the message has lingered: Democrats have not proposed any major gun legislation since the recalls.
Need to take away some more of the NRA's power. I don't know how to do that.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)mentioned that Colorado voters punished the Democrats for passing only a couple of sensible gun control bills by putting Republicans in control of the senate and just short of control of the house?
"Democrats have not proposed any major gun legislation since the recalls." No kidding. Success requires the right time and conditions.
This implied criticism of people who fought very hard and paid a huge price for passing even limited gun control in Colorado is not just incomplete, it denies and insults the commitment of Colorado's Democratic caucuses to stopping the slaughter.
Why? When it's the Republicans who are determined to perpetuate the slaughter and -- critically -- the voters lack the necessary commitment to gun control?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,391 posts)I think you may have misread my comment. There was no implied criticism. Sorry I was not clearer.
LBN on here shows multiple corporations separating themselves from the NRA, due to the grassroots protests the teens in Florida started. Quinnipiac shows the highest support ever for gun control measures. The same poll shows that most people want Democrats in control of both House and Senate.
This is a different time, but the NRA is not toothless and they will push for more guns through all the same puppets and megaphones. (TrumPutin will be steered back to spouting NRA marketing, soon. He's only cooing about "gun measures" because of the publicity the survivors of the massacre have put on him).
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)There are really promising signs. But the NRA's power lies in its ability to get out the vote for or against hopeful candidates, and gun rights zealots won't drop away the way corporations are, may even double down if that's possible.
Sorry that I misunderstood the bald statement without explanation as reflecting your own thoughts. That Democrats don't do anything, don't reflect the people's wishes, don't stand up for their principles, yada-yada, are such common laments of those who don't look, and often don't vote as a result.
In 2018 we desperately need to get congress away from the people directing the Republican Party, so I'd guess that we will not rush to push gun control in races where there is still strong sentiment against it, or any other strong wedge issue. No matter how important they are, of course, we can only do something about them if voters give us the power to do so.
If more people can understand that does not mean lack of commitment to principles, we will be that much stronger in the midterms. Maybe more as negative complaints to others drop.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,391 posts)You said:
In 2018 we desperately need to get congress away from the people directing the Republican Party, so I'd guess that we will not rush to push gun control in races where there is still strong sentiment against it, or any other strong wedge issue. No matter how important they are, of course, we can only do something about them if voters give us the power to do so.
I wish that could be drummed into the head of every 'purity' voter out there! I'd be tickled to see a Democratic candidate on the ticket where I live, regardless of his or her stance on gun control. They don't have to support everything I want, just caucus with Dems to make the country better for all, step by step.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)D_Master81
(1,822 posts)he'll be back in your camp soon enough. He's just goes whichever way the wind is blowing at the moment.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)or the next time they'll be giving up more.