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highplainsdem

(49,044 posts)
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 12:49 AM Aug 2012

How Todd Akin And Paul Ryan Partnered To Redefine Rape

Source: ThinkProgress

Earlier today, Missouri U.S. Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) claimed that “legitimate rape” does not often lead to pregnancy because “the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” This is not the first time the biologically challenged senate candidate tried to minimize the impact of rape. Last year, Akin joined with GOP vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as two of the original co-sponsors of the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” a bill which, among other things, introduced the country to the bizarre term “forcible rape.”

Federal law prevents federal Medicaid funds and similar programs from paying for abortions. Yet the law also contains an exception for women who are raped. The bill Akin and Ryan cosponsored would have narrowed this exception, providing that only pregnancies arising from “forcible rape” may be terminated. Because the primary target of Akin and Ryan’s effort are Medicaid recipients — patients who are unlikely to be able to afford an abortion absent Medicaid funding — the likely impact of this bill would have been forcing many rape survivors to carry their rapist’s baby to term. Michelle Goldberg explains who Akin and Ryan would likely target:

Under H.R. 3, only victims of “forcible rape” would qualify for federally funded abortions. Victims of statutory rape—say, a 13-year-old girl impregnated by a 30-year-old man—would be on their own. So would victims of incest if they’re over 18. And while “forcible rape” isn’t defined in the criminal code, the addition of the adjective seems certain to exclude acts of rape that don’t involve overt violence—say, cases where a woman is drugged or has a limited mental capacity. “It’s basically putting more restrictions on what was defined historically as rape,” says Keenan.

Although a version of this bill passed the GOP-controlled House, the “forcible rape” language was eventually removed due to widespread public outcry. Paul Ryan, however, believes that the “forcible rape” language does not actually go far enough to force women to carry their rapist’s baby. Ryan believes that abortion should be illegal in all cases except for “cases in which a doctor deems an abortion necessary to save the mother’s life.” So rape survivors are out of luck.

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Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/19/712251/how-todd-akin-and-paul-ryan-partnered-to-redefine-rape/

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How Todd Akin And Paul Ryan Partnered To Redefine Rape (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2012 OP
Chickens, meet roost. Looking forward to tomorrow's news cycle. nolabear Aug 2012 #1
What they failed to realize it that they would end up with Todd Akin costing the women's vote Coyotl Aug 2012 #2
No kidding...OMG... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #11
Good analysis Berlum Aug 2012 #14
Is the intent of this outrageous issue bucolic_frolic Aug 2012 #20
Sadly, there are some Julian Assange supporters who would also pnwmom Aug 2012 #3
Ouch. joshcryer Aug 2012 #4
What does Julian Assange have to do with abortion legislation in the USA? Quantess Aug 2012 #9
Thx 4 ur concern, pnwmom blkmusclmachine Aug 2012 #10
I completely agree that he's innocent till proven guilty. pnwmom Aug 2012 #28
Key takeaway: Ryan believes abortion should be illegal in all cases except for mother's life Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #5
Ryan believes that some women who are raped shouldn't have abortions! CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #12
RYAN'S ANTI-WOMAN RAPE "POLICY" IS FAIR GAME IN THE 2012 ELECTION drynberg Aug 2012 #16
this needs to be a problem... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #22
agreed Liberalynn Aug 2012 #29
K&R nt avebury Aug 2012 #17
Joined at the hip (pic) Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #6
Who is the poor, frightened, mezmerized woman behind Ryan? Berlum Aug 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Aug 2012 #7
The elephant in the elephants' room: they say these things because they're Christians. stopbush Aug 2012 #8
Anyone who deems it necessary... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #13
Yes,they are sick. smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #24
Wait a minute- I'm a Christian, and I don't say these things lavenderdiva Aug 2012 #25
Why don't women just stop having sex with Republicans? alarimer Aug 2012 #18
What is it with Republicans and sex? bucolic_frolic Aug 2012 #19
why don't they MTOB? Because the fairy stories in the Bible tells them what's right and wrong wordpix Aug 2012 #23
ironic that DU has a Linda McMahon ad on this page b/c she glorifies rape in her WWE skits wordpix Aug 2012 #21
tie Akin around Ryans neck riverwalker Aug 2012 #26
Yes, and we must do our part to make this happen CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #27
Sadly, I wonder if this stuff will cost Akin or Ryan ANY votes with Missouri Republicans. Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #30

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
1. Chickens, meet roost. Looking forward to tomorrow's news cycle.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 12:54 AM
Aug 2012

It should have occurred to them somewhere along the line that when they chose Paul Ryan they'd end up with...well, Paul Ryan.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
2. What they failed to realize it that they would end up with Todd Akin costing the women's vote
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 01:10 AM
Aug 2012

Let the Photoshops Begin = Rep. Todd Akin
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125173320

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
11. No kidding...OMG...
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 05:03 AM
Aug 2012

I read about Akin earlier in the evening. Now, I hope on line (with insomnia) and I read about Ryan being the sicko behind the "forcible rape" verbiage that he coined.

I never realized that it was Paul Ryan who spearheaded that sick, twisted effort. Turns out he co-sponsored a bill -- with Akin of all people -- to redefine rape as "forcible rape" which suggests that some rape is not forced, consensual if you will.

Seriously. Can anyone believe this? Paul Ryan is going to be very busy this week -- all week -- and no doubt he'll be asked about this in the debates. His actions are indefensible.

He wrote and co-sponsored this "forcible rape" bill with Akin. Paul Ryan hitched his wagon to a meteorite, I believe.

The upside to all of this--is that Paul Ryan is going to be held to account--on steroids. That sick bastard coined the term "forcible rape" and he spearheaded the effort to force this on every woman in the United States. This personal "forcible rape" project was very important to Ryan. He worked hard on it with Mr. Akin. However, he was forced to abandon the language because public outcry killed his bill. The issue faded away without Ryan being held accountable.

But today is a new day.

I am really looking forward to hearing Ryan explain what "forcible rape" is and the differences between rape and "forcible rape." He cannot escape accountability this time. This was his pet project for which he fought.

bucolic_frolic

(43,344 posts)
20. Is the intent of this outrageous issue
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:21 AM
Aug 2012

to make Ryan into some macho superhero?

He can redefine rape, make it legitimate in some cases to violate
the sanctity of women

His budget attempts to make it legitimate to violate the sanctity
of Medicare with VoucherCare

and violate the sanctity of Social Security with private accounts
managed by Wall Street

Rape is rape by any definition

Trying to make superheros by twisting and manipulating minds with
garbage is anti-Christian in my book

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
3. Sadly, there are some Julian Assange supporters who would also
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 01:11 AM
Aug 2012

like to redefine rape. Apparently, giving consent for sex with a condom the night before means a woman gives consent to being penetrated in her sleep the next morning -- without a condom.

Otherwise, it's not a legitimate rape.

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
4. Ouch.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 01:47 AM
Aug 2012

I try to stay out of it because I support Sweden's very feminist interpretation of justice but don't want to be thrown under the bus as anti-Wikileaks / anti-justice.

Anyway, just wanted to say you put it perfectly. It's really frustrating to see those comments.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
9. What does Julian Assange have to do with abortion legislation in the USA?
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 03:23 AM
Aug 2012

Hmm, let's see....
NOTHING.

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
28. I completely agree that he's innocent till proven guilty.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 11:45 AM
Aug 2012

I disagree with those who say the allegations, if proven, wouldn't constitute rape.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
5. Key takeaway: Ryan believes abortion should be illegal in all cases except for mother's life
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 02:30 AM
Aug 2012

Quote: "Ryan believes that abortion should be illegal in all cases except for “cases in which a doctor deems an abortion necessary to save the mother’s life.” "

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
12. Ryan believes that some women who are raped shouldn't have abortions!
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 05:14 AM
Aug 2012

Paul Ryan tried to narrow and distort the definition of rape--so that he could further legislate the denial of more abortions. He coined the term "forcible rape" because he wanted to further constrain abortions--for some women who are raped.

Ryan's legislation, that he co-authored with Mr. Akin -- would have made abortions illegal for women on Medicaid who were raped when no overt violence was used. That means women who are raped with the date-rape drug are on their own. Children who are raped by their fathers, uncles, grandfathers or coaches are on their own. Those situations almost always don't include violence as this type of child rape involves grooming, trauma and psychological games that leave the child unable to fight back. Any woman who blacked out due to trauma--and didn't fight back--is on her own.

This is really sick and inhumane, people. I don't know how Paul Ryan lives with himself. Yet, he authored this legislation and proudly sponsored the bill. He believed so deeply that some rapes are not "forcible rapes" that he spearheaded this effort with Akin.

So, I'd say the "key takeaway" is that Paul Ryan is willing to suggest that some rapes are not forced--just so he can personally force some women to continue pregnancies when they are raped in ways that didn't involve overt violence.

Again, that is sick. And it needs to be discussed and Paul Ryan needs to explain.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
16. RYAN'S ANTI-WOMAN RAPE "POLICY" IS FAIR GAME IN THE 2012 ELECTION
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 06:44 AM
Aug 2012

1. Relevant to his VP attempt
2. Very relevant to those seeking to terminate a pregnancy, esp. from RAPE
3. We are judged by the company we keep (like Atkin)
4. Rmoney, we have a problem...

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
22. this needs to be a problem...
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:58 AM
Aug 2012

...but I'm seeing no Akin/Paul Ryan this morning from our oh-so liberal media.

If the media ignores this...they are disgusting.

We must post the Ryan/Akin article about their co-sponsoring HR3--EVERYWHERE. Fire up your
Facebooks, write in the comments sections on CNN and other national outlets.

It is unfair if the media dismisses this. This is huge.

Ryan co-wrote this legislation. He devoted a great deal of time and resources to redefining what rape is. He even
came up with a new definition "forced rape." The man needs to explain--big time.

Please everyone--spend a few minutes today disseminating the truth.

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
8. The elephant in the elephants' room: they say these things because they're Christians.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 03:16 AM
Aug 2012

They are saying things that are supported by their church doctrine.

They have elevated make believe (religion) to the status of reality, and are going through life under the delusion that they are tuned into some cosmic truth. They aren't.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
13. Anyone who deems it necessary...
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 05:21 AM
Aug 2012

...to fight like a dog--to prevent women who are raped from having abortions--is a very sick person.

This is not about saving babies. This is about controlling women and being very sadistic.

It's creepy that some man would work tirelessly to redefine what rape is -- just so he can force more women to continue pregnancies caused by rape.

I don't think these men think of women as people. They're just objects about which they're legislating and dictating what they can and can't do with their bodies. As they write these sick words, they are not really thinking about women as people.

It's psychopathic and it's disgusting. Paul Ryan and his cohort Mr. Akin are sick.

lavenderdiva

(10,726 posts)
25. Wait a minute- I'm a Christian, and I don't say these things
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 10:13 AM
Aug 2012

you paint with a very wide brush, stopbush. Not all Christians think this way. IMHO, they say these things not because they are Christians, but because they are ignoramuses of the highest order.

Yes, there are a lot of fundie nutjobs out there going off at the mouth about these sorts of things, but I can name you at least a hand-full of people who, like me are Christians, and believe the way that I do, that women should make their own decisions about their own bodies -- and I'm sure there are lots more too, even here at DU. You just don't hear them blasting away through megaphones with signs that are misspelled, or giving interviews saying very stupid things revealing their lack of knowledge about basic biology.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
18. Why don't women just stop having sex with Republicans?
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 07:33 AM
Aug 2012

Let's give them all the cold shoulder.

I hate these fucking people. I hate them. They are truly horrible.

bucolic_frolic

(43,344 posts)
19. What is it with Republicans and sex?
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 07:58 AM
Aug 2012

Birthers

Why don't they get out of everyone's bedroom?

"forcible rape"??? "legitimate rape"???

Maybe they're illegitimate anti-birthers, if 2 negatives make the opposite

Why don't they just go quietly about their business and live and let live?

Everything the Republicans ain't:

"Desiderata

Go placidly amidst the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its shams, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy."

--- Max Ehrmann

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
23. why don't they MTOB? Because the fairy stories in the Bible tells them what's right and wrong
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:58 AM
Aug 2012

I had this argument with a Xtian friend of mine, who justifies pro-life and anti-gay activism with, "It says in the Bible," and "God is for this and against that."

When I said, "That argument does not hold water because many people are atheists and don't believe in God and know the Bible is a collection of stories written 3000 yrs. ago, some of which cannot possibly be true," she then attempted to "prove" God is real because she's seen fall on the floor and speak in tongues when God has "anointed" them.

I told her I could fall on the floor and speak gibberish, too, but there is no physical evidence God exists.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
21. ironic that DU has a Linda McMahon ad on this page b/c she glorifies rape in her WWE skits
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:52 AM
Aug 2012

depicting rape and violence against women as something male spectators should hoot and holler for and beg for more. A tearful woman is dragged around by the hair, turned over a man's knee, slapped, spanked, yelled at and ordered around, and otherwise degraded as violent sex acts are intimated.

http://www.mothersopposingmcmahon.org/

DU should ban these ads for McMahon! I'm all for free speech but DU, you should not be putting them up to help McMahon who has done nothing to make her millions but glorify abuse and violence against women.

It's not entertainment, it's SICK.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
27. Yes, and we must do our part to make this happen
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 11:33 AM
Aug 2012

Facebook, Twitter and the comment sections need to be fired up with our words--letting people know that Akin and Ryan both co-sponsored legislation that narrowed the definition of rape to "forcible rape." As if some rapes aren't forcible????

Who in the hell are these people? What is wrong with them?

Their crazy ideas need to be revealed to the electorate. They need to know who is running for office.

Please--post to social media and get on the comment sections of articles and voice these concerns.

Here is the link to the legislation (co-sponsored by many, including Akin and Paul Ryan) that clearly spells out this "forcible rape" redefinition that was added. This was specifically added, but luckily it died.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr5939

Spread the word!!!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
30. Sadly, I wonder if this stuff will cost Akin or Ryan ANY votes with Missouri Republicans.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 11:55 AM
Aug 2012

Seriously, there seems to be no limit to the stupidity, extremism and just plain evilness of the GOP and their minions.

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