Clinton Apologizes For Critique Of Trump Voters
Source: TPM
Hillary Clinton on Saturday apologized for comments she made earlier this month when she claimed that states that supported her during the election were more wealthy than those who supported President Donald Trump.
In a lengthy Facebook post Saturday, Clinton clarified the intention of her remarks, that cities that do better economically typically lean Democrat and and places where there is less optimism about the future lean Republican.
That doesnt mean the coasts versus the heartland, it doesnt even mean entire states, she wrote. In fact, it more often captures the divisions between more dynamic urban areas and less prosperous small towns within states. As I said throughout the campaign, Trumps message was dark and backwards looking.
She claimed that she meant for her backwards comments to reference his policy stances, not be reflective of the people or places that went for Trump.
Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-apologizes-critique-trump-voters
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)See there?
Another meme busted!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Go read her statement below that DonViejo posted. She explained and enlarged on what are the very valid analyses of most political and social scientists who study this subject.
Btw, any educated politician knows this stuff and would agree in private, even if not publicly. Next time you see an attack on her statement, know that person is trying to sucker you.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)May I give you a few?
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)And you know the quote about that.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/2/5/1275279/--If-you-re-explainin-you-re-losin-is-unfortunately-true
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)are willing to jump on the Hillary hate bandwagon.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)My first instinct was to defend Americans and explain how Donald Trump could have been elected. I said that places doing better economically typically lean Democratic, and places where there is less optimism about the future lean Republican. That doesnt mean the coasts versus the heartland, it doesnt even mean entire states. In fact, it more often captures the divisions between more dynamic urban areas and less prosperous small towns within states. As I said throughout the campaign, Trumps message was dark and backwards looking. I dont need to list the reasons, but the foundation of his message, Make America Great AGAIN suggests that to be great we have to go back to something we are no longer. I never accepted that and never will.
I'm from the Midwest. I had plans that, had I been elected, would have focused on the real needs of hard-working yet struggling Americans in every part of the country. Raising the minimum wage. Paid leave. Affordable college. Affordable, quality health care for everyone. Training for good jobs that dont require a college degree. And giving workers a larger share of corporate profits and tax cuts. So far, Donald Trump has done nothing positive to ease the pain of the people who most strongly supported him, from the loss of jobs in coal country to the opioid epidemic to the tax bill that increases the debt by $1.5 trillion with a massive corporate tax cut, only 13% of which went to workers in the form of bonuses or pay raises.
I was also asked about women, specifically white women, the majority of whom have not voted for Democrats in recent history. I did better with them than previous Democratic nominees, but still lost them overall to a candidate who relies on scare tactics and false attacks, masking the fact that he is otherwise no friend to most Americans.
I also mentioned something in passing that's gotten a lot of negative attention: that there is anecdotal evidence and some research to suggest that women are unfortunately more swayed by men than the other way around. As much as I hate the possibility, and hate saying it, its not that crazy when you think about our ongoing struggle to reach gender balance even within the same household. I did not realize how hard it would hit many who heard it. I was out there having a conversation, and this was one piece of a larger point about how Democrats need to do better with white women, because I know in my heart that Democrats have much more to offer them. Do I believe that some women look at a powerful woman and question whether she can lead, maybe voting for the man their husband is voting for instead? It may not be universally true or easy to hear, but yes, its a dynamic still at play in our society. I know this because even I spent parts of my life wondering if I could achieve the same as male leaders, and a lot of that insecurity stemmed from my gender and how society views women. When I was serving in various roles in public life, I was always more popular when I was working for or defending a man then when I was out there on my own. Thats the point I was making, in an effort to explain to an audience some of the many dynamics that have gone into these tumultuous last few years.
I understand how some of what I said upset people and can be misinterpreted. I meant no disrespect to any individual or group. And I want to look to the future as much as anybody.
But our future requires us to learn from 2016. We need to protect our election systems from intrusion by Russia or anyone else. We need to combat voter suppression and the propagation of fake and misleading news. I fear we are not doing anywhere near enough on those fronts, and I know we can do better.
I love our country every bit as much as a private citizen as I did as a candidate, Secretary of State, Senator from New York, and First Lady. Thats why I dont want us to remain passive in the face of these threats. I want us to be free to focus on the future. A future in which I hope to be fighting for Democratic values of equal opportunity, social inclusion, and strong communities; for an economy that works for everyone; and for lifting up the next generation of leadership, particularly women.
So to those upset or offended by what I said last week, I hope this explanation helps to explain the point I was trying to make. And I hope now that we can get back to the real business before us: Protecting our democracy and building a future we can all share.
https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/posts/1863136670409520
appalachiablue
(41,145 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Just like Shirley Sherrod.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,350 posts)It's so nice to read something sensible these days.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Clinton got 43% - https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls
Obama got 42% in 2012 and 46% in 2008.
There is a chart from 2008 (so it does not include 2012) near the bottom of this link labeled "sex and race" https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html
What is clearly true is that white women, like white men have been more likely to vote for Republicans. Looking at the numbers since 1992 -- 41, 48, 48, 44, 46, 42 --- you can not say the next value (HRC's 43) is better than most previous Democrats. It isn't, but it is not significantly worse either. It is pretty consistent.
still_one
(92,219 posts)sexists, and bigots backwards.
Can the Hillary haters and press now go back to legitimizing the racists, sexists, and bigots please?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and she did NOT apologize. Good, because her thought without malicious twisting were completely valid and reflect the thinking of most political and social scientists.
Thanks to DonViejo for posting her complete explanation. I was going to go look for it.
still_one
(92,219 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The other day our DIL told me a friend's daughter dumped a trumpster Hill-hater for a Sanders Hill-hater and her mother's wondering what they did wrong. (They're POC in Atlanta suburbs).
Raising her in Georgia might present a clue. Competition for cute guys is strong everywhere without having to sift out all the conservatives in Georgia, and then picking out all the duds from the rest.
still_one
(92,219 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)lots of story still to come.
Ligyron
(7,633 posts)This is what makes Dems look weak.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)W ...
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F ...
still_one
(92,219 posts)Democrats have a tendency to walk back valid positions and over explain in the process. Sometimes they need to stand their ground, people would respect them more.
LonePirate
(13,425 posts)Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)scorpion and frog applies to both teams, unfortunately ...
still_one
(92,219 posts)When Hillary doesn't say anything she is critisized. When Hillary doesn't smile she is critisized.
When people accuse Hillary of doing something she didn't do, and she responds to those accusations, she is criticized for responding
If Hillary Clinton discovered a cure for cancer she would be critisized
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)It's a Facebook link (a bit of irony given the news breaking about Facebook):
https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/posts/1863136670409520
It's thoughtful. it's nuanced, it's comprehensive. In other words it is everything that Trump will never be. And I credit Hillary for recognizing that it was important that she clarify the intent and meaning of her earlier remarks. Not because they were wrong, but because they were reasonably subject to misinterpretation.
Justice
(7,188 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... puts the blame back onto those who misunderstood. It's an invitation for them to re-examine her words and to try and understand what she was actually saying.
still_one
(92,219 posts)distorting and misrepresenting what she said
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)malthaussen
(17,204 posts)No insult was implied or intended. An apology is not necessary.
-- Mal
erpowers
(9,350 posts)I do not always agree with the things Hillary Clinton says, but she needs to stop apologizing. How often do you see Donald Trump and his supporters apologize? They have said far worse about Hillary Clinton and her supporters and never apologized. Clinton needs to realize that Trump's supporters are generally the people who go around apologetically claiming that liberal, blacks, and Hispanics are not real Americans. Hillary Clinton never claimed that Trump's supporters were un-American.
Did Donald Trump ever apologize for claiming that President Obama was not born in America? Did Donald Trump ever apologize for calling for the death penalty for young black and Hispanic men who were accused of raping a white woman, but later found to have not committed that crime? It has been reported that weeks before the Central Park Five were accused of raping a white woman a white man was accused of raping a woman, but Trump did not call for the white man to be given the death penalty. Did Donald Trump ever apologize for allegedly refusing to rent his apartments to black people? Did Donald Trump ever apologize for lying about Mexican immigrants?
No, the Democratic Party should not become like Donald Trump and the Republican Party. However, it and its members need to stop apologizing when they make the right statement. Hillary Clinton's deplorables comment has been proven right? It is likely that her latest statement will be proven right. Donald Trump did not win working class Americans. Donald Trump won Americans who were angry that America was changing. He mainly won the people who did not like having a black man in the White House. He mainly won people who did not like Mexican immigrants. He mainly won people who did not like the browning of America. He won mainly the people who wanted to keep America a white man's country.
Look at his slogan: Make America Great Again. We all knew what that slogan actually meant. If you were not upset with the direction in which this country was going Make America Great Again was likely not a good slogan for you. Why? Because America was great under President Obama, even economically. Therefore, we all knew what that slogan was really all about. He was telling his supporters he was going to take this country back to the days that they liked. He was going to take us back to a time before black men could become President. He was going to take up back to a time when America was much whiter. He was going to take us back to a time when minorities were not treated equally.
That is what a large number of his voters were voting to have happen. Many of these people were not voting for economic security, or for jobs. They were voting to be brought back to the time they liked.
Also, look at the definitions used to describe the parties: liberal vs. conservatives. Liberals are people who support things changing. Conservatives are people who oppose things changing. It can be argued that if you oppose change you are not looking to go forward into the future.
still_one
(92,219 posts)misrepresented what she said
The headline is wrong.
When Hillary doesn't say anything she is critisized. When Hillary doesn't smile she is critisized.
When people accuse Hillary of doing something she didn't do, and she responds to those accusations, she is criticized for responding
Hillary is a private citizen now. She's NOT a spokesperson for the Democratic party.
That the media and politicians in the last week distorted and misrepresented what she said, is par for the course.
That the media and politicians have been silent that the current administration refuses to implement the Russian sanctions, or that they have been extremely quiet when Arkansas last week joined the trend of red states requiring employment in order to qualify for Medicaid is also par for the course
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)Republicans don't apologize when they lie. But we have to apologize for telling the truth. Inconvenient truths from time to time. But, truth nonetheless.
Butterflylady
(3,544 posts)Truth stands on it's own merits!
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Speak the truth and stand by it for once. They already hate you, that's not going to change.
greyl
(22,990 posts)The words "sorry", "regret", and "apologize" are not anywhere in her FB post.
My first instinct was to defend Americans and explain how Donald Trump could have been elected. I said that places doing better economically typically lean Democratic, and places where there is less optimism about the future lean Republican. That doesnt mean the coasts versus the heartland, it doesnt even mean entire states. In fact, it more often captures the divisions between more dynamic urban areas and less prosperous small towns within states. As I said throughout the campaign, Trumps message was dark and backwards looking. I dont need to list the reasons, but the foundation of his message, Make America Great AGAIN suggests that to be great we have to go back to something we are no longer. I never accepted that and never will.
I'm from the Midwest. I had plans that, had I been elected, would have focused on the real needs of hard-working yet struggling Americans in every part of the country. Raising the minimum wage. Paid leave. Affordable college. Affordable, quality health care for everyone. Training for good jobs that dont require a college degree. And giving workers a larger share of corporate profits and tax cuts. So far, Donald Trump has done nothing positive to ease the pain of the people who most strongly supported him, from the loss of jobs in coal country to the opioid epidemic to the tax bill that increases the debt by $1.5 trillion with a massive corporate tax cut, only 13% of which went to workers in the form of bonuses or pay raises.
I was also asked about women, specifically white women, the majority of whom have not voted for Democrats in recent history. I did better with them than previous Democratic nominees, but still lost them overall to a candidate who relies on scare tactics and false attacks, masking the fact that he is otherwise no friend to most Americans.
I also mentioned something in passing that's gotten a lot of negative attention: that there is anecdotal evidence and some research to suggest that women are unfortunately more swayed by men than the other way around. As much as I hate the possibility, and hate saying it, its not that crazy when you think about our ongoing struggle to reach gender balance even within the same household. I did not realize how hard it would hit many who heard it. I was out there having a conversation, and this was one piece of a larger point about how Democrats need to do better with white women, because I know in my heart that Democrats have much more to offer them. Do I believe that some women look at a powerful woman and question whether she can lead, maybe voting for the man their husband is voting for instead? It may not be universally true or easy to hear, but yes, its a dynamic still at play in our society. I know this because even I spent parts of my life wondering if I could achieve the same as male leaders, and a lot of that insecurity stemmed from my gender and how society views women. When I was serving in various roles in public life, I was always more popular when I was working for or defending a man then when I was out there on my own. Thats the point I was making, in an effort to explain to an audience some of the many dynamics that have gone into these tumultuous last few years.
I understand how some of what I said upset people and can be misinterpreted. I meant no disrespect to any individual or group. And I want to look to the future as much as anybody.
But our future requires us to learn from 2016. We need to protect our election systems from intrusion by Russia or anyone else. We need to combat voter suppression and the propagation of fake and misleading news. I fear we are not doing anywhere near enough on those fronts, and I know we can do better.
I love our country every bit as much as a private citizen as I did as a candidate, Secretary of State, Senator from New York, and First Lady. Thats why I dont want us to remain passive in the face of these threats. I want us to be free to focus on the future. A future in which I hope to be fighting for Democratic values of equal opportunity, social inclusion, and strong communities; for an economy that works for everyone; and for lifting up the next generation of leadership, particularly women.
So to those upset or offended by what I said last week, I hope this explanation helps to explain the point I was trying to make. And I hope now that we can get back to the real business before us: Protecting our democracy and building a future we can all share.
https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/posts/1863136670409520
And to clarify, I thoroughly support and appreciate her non-apology explanation.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)It is a really good speech about defending democracy around the world. It is interesting the American media picked up this one sentence from a question and answer session after her speech. rather than report on her urging democracies around the globe to be an the alert to manipulation by the "reality show" type candidate that could come to a "democracy near you", spreading fear by manipulating people to hate "others".
Clinton blamed Trump and his campaign for running the reality show campaign that was effective in manipulating people into fearing immigrants and anyone outside their personal experiences. It is really easy to scare these people who live in predominately white rural/suburban communities. Clinton blamed herself for not recognizing how effective this was and for not effectively combating the propaganda during her campaign. She said she was running a traditional campaign against the reality tv campaign. Her campaign strategy was effective in areas that were pluralistic, as the fear tactics were ineffective where people know, live and work with people different from themselves. I thought it was an excellent analysis and was well received by her audience, as India is the most pluralistic country in the world and minor differences can be used by people with evil agendas to tear apart such a democratic society.
Paladin
(28,264 posts)You're making Democrats look bad, Hillary Clinton. Make your statements, and let them stand. Your repeated apologies feed into the whole "spineless Democrat" notion that is constantly spread by our political foes. Stop it, now.