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demmiblue

(36,865 posts)
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 09:42 AM Mar 2018

Clinton Apologizes For Critique Of Trump Voters

Source: TPM

Hillary Clinton on Saturday apologized for comments she made earlier this month when she claimed that states that supported her during the election were more wealthy than those who supported President Donald Trump.

In a lengthy Facebook post Saturday, Clinton clarified the intention of her remarks, that cities that do better economically “typically lean Democrat and and places where there is less optimism about the future lean Republican.”

“That doesn’t mean the coasts versus the heartland, it doesn’t even mean entire states,” she wrote. “In fact, it more often captures the divisions between more dynamic urban areas and less prosperous small towns within states. As I said throughout the campaign, Trump’s message was dark and backwards looking.”

She claimed that she meant for her “backwards” comments to reference his policy stances, not be reflective of the people or places that went for Trump.

Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-apologizes-critique-trump-voters

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Clinton Apologizes For Critique Of Trump Voters (Original Post) demmiblue Mar 2018 OP
"Clinton never apologizes!" yallerdawg Mar 2018 #1
Hill did NOT apologize. That was TPM's little spin. Hortensis Mar 2018 #16
That was my point. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #23
Got it now. :) I use way too many words. Hortensis Mar 2018 #32
She is explaining BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #29
Like many, her words got misrepresented by many who ehrnst Mar 2018 #36
Here's her full statement from FB... DonViejo Mar 2018 #2
A very well expressed statement with excellent points, regardless of the reason. appalachiablue Mar 2018 #35
There's no apology there, nor does there need to be. ehrnst Mar 2018 #37
Fuck TPM for labeling this an apology. joshcryer Mar 2018 #38
can I vote for her again? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #40
Clinton did LESS well with white women than Obama 2008, Kerry, Gore, and Clinton 1996 -- karynnj Mar 2018 #41
Or in other words, Hillary Clinton, who is a private citizen, apologizes for calling racists, still_one Mar 2018 #3
:) She explained and enlarged on her statement, Hortensis Mar 2018 #15
I agree with you Hortensis still_one Mar 2018 #17
And I agree with your opinion of the Hill haters. Hortensis Mar 2018 #20
wow, that is some story still_one Mar 2018 #25
Well, she's in high school, Hortensis Mar 2018 #33
When you're right - don't apologize. Ligyron Mar 2018 #4
I mean ... Cosmocat Mar 2018 #9
You do realize she DIDN'T apologize. The headline is wrong. She clarified what she said. still_one Mar 2018 #18
Agreed. efhmc Mar 2018 #11
So true PatSeg Mar 2018 #14
We should never apologize for telling the truth. LonePirate Mar 2018 #5
Will we ever learn? Never apologize! Va Lefty Mar 2018 #6
NOPE Cosmocat Mar 2018 #10
She didn't apologize. She clarified it because the media, and politicians distorted what she said still_one Mar 2018 #21
Her full statement referenced here is Excellent Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #7
I didn't read it as an apology but it was a really good statement. Justice Mar 2018 #8
It wasn't an apology. Her "I meant no disrespect" statement... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #13
Exactly Jackie. It was a clarification, because our illustrious media and politicians had been still_one Mar 2018 #22
It's nice to be in full agreememt :) n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #28
OFFS malthaussen Mar 2018 #12
Stop Apologizing Stop Explaining erpowers Mar 2018 #19
She DID NOT apologize. She clarified what she said because the media, and politicians distorted and still_one Mar 2018 #24
Apologizing for telling the truth. Sure sucks. SpankMe Mar 2018 #26
Never like apologize for telling the truth Butterflylady Mar 2018 #27
Stop apologizing. Downtown Hound Mar 2018 #30
Headline is total bullshit. Hillary explained and clarified for the ignorant snowflakes. greyl Mar 2018 #31
For those of you who can spare the time, here is the link to her full speech in India. greatlaurel Mar 2018 #34
Stop the apologes. Quit backing down. Paladin Mar 2018 #39

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Hill did NOT apologize. That was TPM's little spin.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:38 AM
Mar 2018

Go read her statement below that DonViejo posted. She explained and enlarged on what are the very valid analyses of most political and social scientists who study this subject.

Btw, any educated politician knows this stuff and would agree in private, even if not publicly. Next time you see an attack on her statement, know that person is trying to sucker you.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. Like many, her words got misrepresented by many who
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:41 PM
Mar 2018

are willing to jump on the Hillary hate bandwagon.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
2. Here's her full statement from FB...
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 09:47 AM
Mar 2018
During an interview last week with an Indian news publication, I was asked about 2016, and whether Trump is the "virus" or a "symptom" of something deeper going on in American society. Like most Americans, people overseas remain shocked and dismayed at what they are witnessing daily.

My first instinct was to defend Americans and explain how Donald Trump could have been elected. I said that places doing better economically typically lean Democratic, and places where there is less optimism about the future lean Republican. That doesn’t mean the coasts versus the heartland, it doesn’t even mean entire states. In fact, it more often captures the divisions between more dynamic urban areas and less prosperous small towns within states. As I said throughout the campaign, Trump’s message was dark and backwards looking. I don’t need to list the reasons, but the foundation of his message, “Make America Great AGAIN” suggests that to be great we have to go back to something we are no longer. I never accepted that and never will.

I'm from the Midwest. I had plans that, had I been elected, would have focused on the real needs of hard-working yet struggling Americans in every part of the country. Raising the minimum wage. Paid leave. Affordable college. Affordable, quality health care for everyone. Training for good jobs that don’t require a college degree. And giving workers a larger share of corporate profits and tax cuts. So far, Donald Trump has done nothing positive to ease the pain of the people who most strongly supported him, from the loss of jobs in coal country to the opioid epidemic to the tax bill that increases the debt by $1.5 trillion with a massive corporate tax cut, only 13% of which went to workers in the form of bonuses or pay raises.

I was also asked about women, specifically white women, the majority of whom have not voted for Democrats in recent history. I did better with them than previous Democratic nominees, but still lost them overall to a candidate who relies on scare tactics and false attacks, masking the fact that he is otherwise no friend to most Americans.

I also mentioned something in passing that's gotten a lot of negative attention: that there is anecdotal evidence and some research to suggest that women are unfortunately more swayed by men than the other way around. As much as I hate the possibility, and hate saying it, it’s not that crazy when you think about our ongoing struggle to reach gender balance – even within the same household. I did not realize how hard it would hit many who heard it. I was out there having a conversation, and this was one piece of a larger point about how Democrats need to do better with white women, because I know in my heart that Democrats have much more to offer them. Do I believe that some women look at a powerful woman and question whether she can lead, maybe voting for the man their husband is voting for instead? It may not be universally true or easy to hear, but yes, it’s a dynamic still at play in our society. I know this because even I spent parts of my life wondering if I could achieve the same as male leaders, and a lot of that insecurity stemmed from my gender and how society views women. When I was serving in various roles in public life, I was always more popular when I was working for or defending a man then when I was out there on my own. That’s the point I was making, in an effort to explain to an audience some of the many dynamics that have gone into these tumultuous last few years.

I understand how some of what I said upset people and can be misinterpreted. I meant no disrespect to any individual or group. And I want to look to the future as much as anybody.

But our future requires us to learn from 2016. We need to protect our election systems from intrusion by Russia or anyone else. We need to combat voter suppression and the propagation of fake and misleading news. I fear we are not doing anywhere near enough on those fronts, and I know we can do better.

I love our country every bit as much as a private citizen as I did as a candidate, Secretary of State, Senator from New York, and First Lady. That’s why I don’t want us to remain passive in the face of these threats. I want us to be free to focus on the future. A future in which I hope to be fighting for Democratic values of equal opportunity, social inclusion, and strong communities; for an economy that works for everyone; and for lifting up the next generation of leadership, particularly women.

So to those upset or offended by what I said last week, I hope this explanation helps to explain the point I was trying to make. And I hope now that we can get back to the real business before us: Protecting our democracy and building a future we can all share.

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/posts/1863136670409520


karynnj

(59,504 posts)
41. Clinton did LESS well with white women than Obama 2008, Kerry, Gore, and Clinton 1996 --
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 06:34 PM
Mar 2018

Clinton got 43% - https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

Obama got 42% in 2012 and 46% in 2008.

There is a chart from 2008 (so it does not include 2012) near the bottom of this link labeled "sex and race" https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

What is clearly true is that white women, like white men have been more likely to vote for Republicans. Looking at the numbers since 1992 -- 41, 48, 48, 44, 46, 42 --- you can not say the next value (HRC's 43) is better than most previous Democrats. It isn't, but it is not significantly worse either. It is pretty consistent.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
3. Or in other words, Hillary Clinton, who is a private citizen, apologizes for calling racists,
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 09:50 AM
Mar 2018

sexists, and bigots backwards.

Can the Hillary haters and press now go back to legitimizing the racists, sexists, and bigots please?



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. :) She explained and enlarged on her statement,
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:35 AM
Mar 2018

and she did NOT apologize. Good, because her thought without malicious twisting were completely valid and reflect the thinking of most political and social scientists.

Thanks to DonViejo for posting her complete explanation. I was going to go look for it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. And I agree with your opinion of the Hill haters.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:51 AM
Mar 2018

The other day our DIL told me a friend's daughter dumped a trumpster Hill-hater for a Sanders Hill-hater and her mother's wondering what they did wrong. (They're POC in Atlanta suburbs).

Raising her in Georgia might present a clue. Competition for cute guys is strong everywhere without having to sift out all the conservatives in Georgia, and then picking out all the duds from the rest.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
14. So true
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:34 AM
Mar 2018

Democrats have a tendency to walk back valid positions and over explain in the process. Sometimes they need to stand their ground, people would respect them more.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
21. She didn't apologize. She clarified it because the media, and politicians distorted what she said
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:51 AM
Mar 2018

When Hillary doesn't say anything she is critisized. When Hillary doesn't smile she is critisized.

When people accuse Hillary of doing something she didn't do, and she responds to those accusations, she is criticized for responding

If Hillary Clinton discovered a cure for cancer she would be critisized


Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
7. Her full statement referenced here is Excellent
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 09:53 AM
Mar 2018

It's a Facebook link (a bit of irony given the news breaking about Facebook):

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/posts/1863136670409520

It's thoughtful. it's nuanced, it's comprehensive. In other words it is everything that Trump will never be. And I credit Hillary for recognizing that it was important that she clarify the intent and meaning of her earlier remarks. Not because they were wrong, but because they were reasonably subject to misinterpretation.


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. It wasn't an apology. Her "I meant no disrespect" statement...
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:24 AM
Mar 2018

... puts the blame back onto those who misunderstood. It's an invitation for them to re-examine her words and to try and understand what she was actually saying.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
22. Exactly Jackie. It was a clarification, because our illustrious media and politicians had been
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:54 AM
Mar 2018

distorting and misrepresenting what she said


erpowers

(9,350 posts)
19. Stop Apologizing Stop Explaining
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:43 AM
Mar 2018

I do not always agree with the things Hillary Clinton says, but she needs to stop apologizing. How often do you see Donald Trump and his supporters apologize? They have said far worse about Hillary Clinton and her supporters and never apologized. Clinton needs to realize that Trump's supporters are generally the people who go around apologetically claiming that liberal, blacks, and Hispanics are not real Americans. Hillary Clinton never claimed that Trump's supporters were un-American.

Did Donald Trump ever apologize for claiming that President Obama was not born in America? Did Donald Trump ever apologize for calling for the death penalty for young black and Hispanic men who were accused of raping a white woman, but later found to have not committed that crime? It has been reported that weeks before the Central Park Five were accused of raping a white woman a white man was accused of raping a woman, but Trump did not call for the white man to be given the death penalty. Did Donald Trump ever apologize for allegedly refusing to rent his apartments to black people? Did Donald Trump ever apologize for lying about Mexican immigrants?

No, the Democratic Party should not become like Donald Trump and the Republican Party. However, it and its members need to stop apologizing when they make the right statement. Hillary Clinton's deplorables comment has been proven right? It is likely that her latest statement will be proven right. Donald Trump did not win working class Americans. Donald Trump won Americans who were angry that America was changing. He mainly won the people who did not like having a black man in the White House. He mainly won people who did not like Mexican immigrants. He mainly won people who did not like the browning of America. He won mainly the people who wanted to keep America a white man's country.

Look at his slogan: Make America Great Again. We all knew what that slogan actually meant. If you were not upset with the direction in which this country was going Make America Great Again was likely not a good slogan for you. Why? Because America was great under President Obama, even economically. Therefore, we all knew what that slogan was really all about. He was telling his supporters he was going to take this country back to the days that they liked. He was going to take us back to a time before black men could become President. He was going to take up back to a time when America was much whiter. He was going to take us back to a time when minorities were not treated equally.

That is what a large number of his voters were voting to have happen. Many of these people were not voting for economic security, or for jobs. They were voting to be brought back to the time they liked.

Also, look at the definitions used to describe the parties: liberal vs. conservatives. Liberals are people who support things changing. Conservatives are people who oppose things changing. It can be argued that if you oppose change you are not looking to go forward into the future.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
24. She DID NOT apologize. She clarified what she said because the media, and politicians distorted and
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:09 AM
Mar 2018

misrepresented what she said

The headline is wrong.

When Hillary doesn't say anything she is critisized. When Hillary doesn't smile she is critisized.

When people accuse Hillary of doing something she didn't do, and she responds to those accusations, she is criticized for responding

Hillary is a private citizen now. She's NOT a spokesperson for the Democratic party.

That the media and politicians in the last week distorted and misrepresented what she said, is par for the course.

That the media and politicians have been silent that the current administration refuses to implement the Russian sanctions, or that they have been extremely quiet when Arkansas last week joined the trend of red states requiring employment in order to qualify for Medicaid is also par for the course

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
26. Apologizing for telling the truth. Sure sucks.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:17 AM
Mar 2018

Republicans don't apologize when they lie. But we have to apologize for telling the truth. Inconvenient truths from time to time. But, truth nonetheless.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
30. Stop apologizing.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:22 AM
Mar 2018

Speak the truth and stand by it for once. They already hate you, that's not going to change.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
31. Headline is total bullshit. Hillary explained and clarified for the ignorant snowflakes.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:47 AM
Mar 2018

The words "sorry", "regret", and "apologize" are not anywhere in her FB post.

During an interview last week with an Indian news publication, I was asked about 2016, and whether Trump is the "virus" or a "symptom" of something deeper going on in American society. Like most Americans, people overseas remain shocked and dismayed at what they are witnessing daily.

My first instinct was to defend Americans and explain how Donald Trump could have been elected. I said that places doing better economically typically lean Democratic, and places where there is less optimism about the future lean Republican. That doesn’t mean the coasts versus the heartland, it doesn’t even mean entire states. In fact, it more often captures the divisions between more dynamic urban areas and less prosperous small towns within states. As I said throughout the campaign, Trump’s message was dark and backwards looking. I don’t need to list the reasons, but the foundation of his message, “Make America Great AGAIN” suggests that to be great we have to go back to something we are no longer. I never accepted that and never will.

I'm from the Midwest. I had plans that, had I been elected, would have focused on the real needs of hard-working yet struggling Americans in every part of the country. Raising the minimum wage. Paid leave. Affordable college. Affordable, quality health care for everyone. Training for good jobs that don’t require a college degree. And giving workers a larger share of corporate profits and tax cuts. So far, Donald Trump has done nothing positive to ease the pain of the people who most strongly supported him, from the loss of jobs in coal country to the opioid epidemic to the tax bill that increases the debt by $1.5 trillion with a massive corporate tax cut, only 13% of which went to workers in the form of bonuses or pay raises.

I was also asked about women, specifically white women, the majority of whom have not voted for Democrats in recent history. I did better with them than previous Democratic nominees, but still lost them overall to a candidate who relies on scare tactics and false attacks, masking the fact that he is otherwise no friend to most Americans.

I also mentioned something in passing that's gotten a lot of negative attention: that there is anecdotal evidence and some research to suggest that women are unfortunately more swayed by men than the other way around. As much as I hate the possibility, and hate saying it, it’s not that crazy when you think about our ongoing struggle to reach gender balance – even within the same household. I did not realize how hard it would hit many who heard it. I was out there having a conversation, and this was one piece of a larger point about how Democrats need to do better with white women, because I know in my heart that Democrats have much more to offer them. Do I believe that some women look at a powerful woman and question whether she can lead, maybe voting for the man their husband is voting for instead? It may not be universally true or easy to hear, but yes, it’s a dynamic still at play in our society. I know this because even I spent parts of my life wondering if I could achieve the same as male leaders, and a lot of that insecurity stemmed from my gender and how society views women. When I was serving in various roles in public life, I was always more popular when I was working for or defending a man then when I was out there on my own. That’s the point I was making, in an effort to explain to an audience some of the many dynamics that have gone into these tumultuous last few years.

I understand how some of what I said upset people and can be misinterpreted. I meant no disrespect to any individual or group. And I want to look to the future as much as anybody.

But our future requires us to learn from 2016. We need to protect our election systems from intrusion by Russia or anyone else. We need to combat voter suppression and the propagation of fake and misleading news. I fear we are not doing anywhere near enough on those fronts, and I know we can do better.

I love our country every bit as much as a private citizen as I did as a candidate, Secretary of State, Senator from New York, and First Lady. That’s why I don’t want us to remain passive in the face of these threats. I want us to be free to focus on the future. A future in which I hope to be fighting for Democratic values of equal opportunity, social inclusion, and strong communities; for an economy that works for everyone; and for lifting up the next generation of leadership, particularly women.

So to those upset or offended by what I said last week, I hope this explanation helps to explain the point I was trying to make. And I hope now that we can get back to the real business before us: Protecting our democracy and building a future we can all share.


https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/posts/1863136670409520

And to clarify, I thoroughly support and appreciate her non-apology explanation.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
34. For those of you who can spare the time, here is the link to her full speech in India.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:33 PM
Mar 2018
https://www.indiatoday.in/india-today-conclave-2018/story/hillary-clinton-at-india-today-conclave-america-did-not-deserve-donald-trump-as-president-he-won-a-tv-reality-show-1186450-2018-03-10

It is a really good speech about defending democracy around the world. It is interesting the American media picked up this one sentence from a question and answer session after her speech. rather than report on her urging democracies around the globe to be an the alert to manipulation by the "reality show" type candidate that could come to a "democracy near you", spreading fear by manipulating people to hate "others".

Clinton blamed Trump and his campaign for running the reality show campaign that was effective in manipulating people into fearing immigrants and anyone outside their personal experiences. It is really easy to scare these people who live in predominately white rural/suburban communities. Clinton blamed herself for not recognizing how effective this was and for not effectively combating the propaganda during her campaign. She said she was running a traditional campaign against the reality tv campaign. Her campaign strategy was effective in areas that were pluralistic, as the fear tactics were ineffective where people know, live and work with people different from themselves. I thought it was an excellent analysis and was well received by her audience, as India is the most pluralistic country in the world and minor differences can be used by people with evil agendas to tear apart such a democratic society.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
39. Stop the apologes. Quit backing down.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:09 PM
Mar 2018

You're making Democrats look bad, Hillary Clinton. Make your statements, and let them stand. Your repeated apologies feed into the whole "spineless Democrat" notion that is constantly spread by our political foes. Stop it, now.

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