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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 05:09 PM Apr 2018

Trump denies knowledge of Stormy Daniels payment

Source: The Hill



BY JORDAN FABIAN - 04/05/18 04:58 PM EDT

President Trump on Thursday broke his silence on Stormy Daniels, saying he had no knowledge of a $130,000 payment his personal attorney made to the porn star days before the 2016 election.

“No,” Trump told reporters when asked if he knew about the payment. He referred further questions to his attorney, Michael Cohen.

“You’ll have to ask Michael Cohen. Michael is my attorney. You’ll have to ask Michael.” Trump also added he has no knowledge of where the money came from. “No, I don’t know,” he said.

Cohen has previously said he made the payment personally.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/381869-trump-denies-knowledge-of-stormy-daniels-payment



Stormy Daniels lawyer trolls Trump after president breaks his silence on Cohen’s hush money

SARAH K. BURRIS
05 APR 2018 AT 17:33 ET

After President Donald Trump sounded off to the White House press corps about adult film star Stormy Daniels, her attorney took a shot in response.

“We very much look forward to testing the truthfulness of Mr. Trump’s feigned lack of knowledge concerning the $130k payment as stated on Air Force One,” Michael Avenatti tweeted Thursday. “As history teaches us, it is one thing to deceive the press and quite another to do so under oath. #searchforthetruth #basta”




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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/stormy-daniels-lawyer-trolls-trump-president-breaks-silence-cohens-hush-money/
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Trump denies knowledge of Stormy Daniels payment (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2018 OP
OK, fine, then he has no contract with her Maeve Apr 2018 #1
Yup DUgosh Apr 2018 #2
it doesn't work like that. unblock Apr 2018 #6
How about this: no_hypocrisy Apr 2018 #10
the presence of a contract, *even if null and void* clearly shows that it was not a gift. unblock Apr 2018 #11
Oh, we're just playing in the court of public opinion, here! Maeve Apr 2018 #12
But he's gonna sue her for $20 million for louis-t Apr 2018 #3
you may have noticed that he lies. a lot. unblock Apr 2018 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Leghorn21 Apr 2018 #4
Orange Menace is a hopelessly pathological liar gohuskies Apr 2018 #5
Per SacBee laserhaas Apr 2018 #8
I can hear a yuge bus rolling over Cohen djacq Apr 2018 #9
Michael Avenatti is on The Beat right now celebrating. Eugene Apr 2018 #13
Guesses on poll numbers believing this? BootinUp Apr 2018 #14
But does he deny carnal knowledge of Stormy Daniels? Tactical Peek Apr 2018 #15
Trump is a lying sack of shit! walkingman Apr 2018 #16
The ONE thing he says he doesnt know! nt 7962 Apr 2018 #17
Mueller sighs and pulls both hands over his face ... muriel_volestrangler Apr 2018 #18

Maeve

(42,287 posts)
1. OK, fine, then he has no contract with her
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 05:11 PM
Apr 2018

And she can say anything she damn well pleases AND keep the money, since it was not in payment for a contract he didn't have with her.

unblock

(52,309 posts)
6. it doesn't work like that.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 05:20 PM
Apr 2018

if you give me money as part of an agreement and the agreement is later determined to be null and void, i have to give the money back. i don't get the keep the money and go haha you lose if the contract goes away.

i have to give the money back, unless i actually gave you something of value even in the absence of the agreement. if it's not something you can give back to me, then i can keep a portion of the money for that.

the point is, equity has to be restored. stormy may be able to argue that her silence during the period she *thought* the contract was valid was worth a substantial amount, and may be able to keep a portion of the money based on that. but she has to make an argument on the basis of equity, not on the basis of gotcha.



separately, what donnie says about this in public doesn't much matter. what he says in court does.
moreover, cohen is the one who paid stormy, so what donnie says is even less relevant.
in any event, just because donnie says something stupid, and quite probably untrue, how should that make cohen lose his money?

no_hypocrisy

(46,160 posts)
10. How about this:
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 05:33 PM
Apr 2018

1. There wasn't a contract.
2. Stormy Daniels accepted the money but didn't spend it.
3. She held the money in trust as a bailee with the intention of returning it when asked.
4. No consideration, no exchange of offers and acceptances, no signature by one party = no contract, no problem

Add Trump not acknowledging payment. That means that the money could be interpreted as a gift by Michael Cohen, esp. as it came out of his account and never repaid or reimbursed by Trump.

And I disclaim the theory of substantial performance to make this an agreement. Just b/c SD said nothing until this point in time doesn't signify that she was going through with her end of an illusory contract.* She could have chosen to be silent on her own volition, not a contractual obligation.

* Illusory Promise

A promise that is unenforceable due to indefiniteness or lack of mutuality, where only one side is bound to perform. An example of this would be an agreement between a seller and buyer which states that the seller "agrees to sell all of the ice cream he wants to" to the buyer.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/illusory_promise

unblock

(52,309 posts)
11. the presence of a contract, *even if null and void* clearly shows that it was not a gift.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 06:04 PM
Apr 2018

there's no way stormy or anyone can spin it that it was a gift.
even if the contract was not properly drafted or executed or is otherwise not enforceable, the existence of those drafts and proof of those negotiations clearly shows that it was contemplated that the $130,000 was in exchange for something that was intended to be of comparable value.


say i pay $25k (not that i have that kind of cash lying around, but for argument's sake, i'm paying in cash in full) for a car at a dealership and drive it off the lot. repo man takes it from my driveway that night and leaves a note on my door. i go back to the dealer and he shows me the sales contract where i signed it but the car dealer never signed it. he says haha, no contract no sale. does he get to keep the money and claim it was a gift?

no, it really doesn't work that way.


as a practical matter, she'll be more than happy to return the $130,000 if it means she can then make millions off her story.
in fact she's explicitly offered that.

Maeve

(42,287 posts)
12. Oh, we're just playing in the court of public opinion, here!
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 06:04 PM
Apr 2018

Same as Agent Orange...he didn't sign the contract and says he doesn't know about the money. Well, then he isn't the one who has any recourse, then.
As for the cash..I keep thinking of the movie "All of Me" with the argument that the cheating husband was just very open-handed to his lady friends "You give money to lots of people, don't you? And is he to be condemned for being generous?" Cohen was just a free-spender and gave her some money to tide her over till after the elections, right?

Sure, that may not be how the courts will see it, but when did the law matter to the trumpasaurus? It's what he (you should excuse the word) thinks the case is that is important.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
3. But he's gonna sue her for $20 million for
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 05:13 PM
Apr 2018

breaking the NDA that he didn't have with her over the affair that they didn't have.....

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

gohuskies

(1,156 posts)
5. Orange Menace is a hopelessly pathological liar
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 05:17 PM
Apr 2018

He simply cannot discipline himself to tell the truth about anything. A totally soulless being.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
8. Per SacBee
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 05:24 PM
Apr 2018


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ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE
President Donald Trump says he didn't know about a $130,000 payment his personal attorney made to an adult film actress who alleges they had an affair.

Asked if he knew about the payment to Stormy Daniels, Trump said no.

Trump was speaking to reporters Thursday aboard Air Force One.

Trump says he didn't know why his longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, made the payment or where he got the money.
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