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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:26 AM Apr 2018

Ted Lieu tears into Trump for putting blame on Obama after alleged chemical attack: ...

Source: The Hill



Ted Lieu tears into Trump for putting blame on Obama after alleged chemical attack: You're the president now, remember?


BY REBECCA SAVRANSKY - 04/08/18 11:21 AM EDT

Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) tore into President Trump after he put blame on former President Obama following reports of a chemical attack in Syria.




The comments come after dozens of people reportedly died and hundreds were reported injured Saturday in an alleged chemical attack in Syria.

State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert said in a statement that U.S. officials are closely following the “disturbing reports … regarding another alleged chemical weapons attack, this time targeting a hospital in Douma, Syria.”

Trump took to Twitter Sunday to condemn the attacks and rail against Obama.

Read more: http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/382167-ted-lieu-tears-into-trump-for-putting-blame-on-obama-after-alleged
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Ted Lieu tears into Trump for putting blame on Obama after alleged chemical attack: ... (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2018 OP
Once again, thank you Ted Lieu. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #1
Assad got rid of his chemical weapons under a threat from President Obama Botany Apr 2018 #2
You can never trust someone like Assad. I doubt EVERYTHING was ever removed. 7962 Apr 2018 #13
The Obama administration in official statements spoke of all the declared chemical weapons karynnj Apr 2018 #16
Russia would stomp their feet, whine to the UN & make empty threats. 7962 Apr 2018 #17
I doubt we could do better than Obama/Kerry did in taking out at least a very high percentage karynnj Apr 2018 #21
Well, anything UN related will be vetoed by Russia. 7962 Apr 2018 #22
True - which is why the 2015 resolution was pretty impressive karynnj Apr 2018 #23
Kick dalton99a Apr 2018 #3
I was trying to think of one time Obama trashed GWB and I can't come up with anything. Vinca Apr 2018 #4
It's really true dawg day Apr 2018 #12
ditto disndat Apr 2018 #19
If I recall correctly ... left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #5
Let's not confuse the Dotard with facts. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #6
Yes because videohead5 Apr 2018 #11
minngal marieo1 Apr 2018 #7
K&R. I am so glad Ted is challenging him. We bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #8
Oh shit shenmue Apr 2018 #9
Trump is an egotistical low self-esteem racist bully Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #10
I wonder if Ted Lieu has Presidential ambitions? still_one Apr 2018 #14
Hes a naturalized citizen. n/t tammywammy Apr 2018 #15
I'm guessing neither of his parents were US Citizens then? sdfernando Apr 2018 #20
He was born in Taiwan NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #18

Botany

(70,516 posts)
2. Assad got rid of his chemical weapons under a threat from President Obama
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:35 AM
Apr 2018

... and now with Putin's puppet, Trump, in the White House he has gone back to them.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
13. You can never trust someone like Assad. I doubt EVERYTHING was ever removed.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:57 PM
Apr 2018

And too many places to hide them.
Since trump calls out Pres Obama on not following thru with the "red line" threat, lets see what HE will do. I'm betting jack shit. At least, nothing that will actually HURT Asaad. You wanna prove a point hot shot? Take out Assads Air Force. That will make a statement. But trump is a weak minded loser; easily led by others.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
16. The Obama administration in official statements spoke of all the declared chemical weapons
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:56 PM
Apr 2018

The fact is the US got and destroyed 1200 tons of chemical weapons. Think about that ... 1200 tons .. and it was the US that destroyed them, so we know that no games were played with that amount. I can find many links to Kerry saying during the interval when the destruction was being done -- that sure, they could be hiding some. I suspect that EVERYONE in that region is better off that Assad lost 1200 tons of chemical weapons - especially because the country was unstable and lost some areas to ISIS.

In a 60 Minutes interview after Kerry and Lavrov made that negotiation and got the UN resolution that supported it, Kerry responded that it was very unlikely that an attack of the nature planned would have done anywhere near as much as this to reduce the thread of future uses of sarin gas.

The thing that most angered me with the media when Trump had his 49 tomahawk attack that accomplished nothing - other than closing the airfield for less than a week and costing the US the cost of 49 tomahawk missiles - was that Obama failed "because he did not get ALL the chemical weapons"

In the first place, we don't know that. In the last 3 years, they could have smuggled in more - sold by whom I don't know - but there is a country called Russia who regularly sends in military planes. Not to mention, they could have manufactured more having build new plants. It is also possible that they hid some -- but the reality is that if not for the diplomacy there would have been 1200 more tons. I suspect that these claims come from people pushing for regime change and wanting the US to lead it.

Obama NEVER spoke of "taking out" the Assad's air force. In the very early stages of the Syrian war, many Obama administration people spoke of how it would have been much more difficult to control the Syrian airspace vs the Libyan air space. In addition, Russia had a Navy base there. Even then, it was not going to happen -- and the Assad position is far stronger now and Russia has far more of a presence making that impossible.

My concern is that Trump IS a weak minded loser .. and the people leading him might tell him to try to take out Assad's air force or other steps that will pull us front and center into a civil war where there are bad guys on many sides.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
17. Russia would stomp their feet, whine to the UN & make empty threats.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 07:06 AM
Apr 2018

They know they are powerless to stop the coalition (us) from taking out Assad's chemical forces or Air Force or both. The reason they pulled out their main air forces is because their shit doesnt work very well over there. They'll certainly continue to back up Assad, but their main weapon is that trump LOVEs him some Putin.
I'm expecting another attack on an empty airfield. Or open desert. Backed by some BS story about a "hidden stockpile" being taken out

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
21. I doubt we could do better than Obama/Kerry did in taking out at least a very high percentage
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:53 PM
Apr 2018

of the chemical weapons -- which 1200 tons certainly was. (In fact, it might have been all of it and more was imported or manufactured in the following years.) As to taking out the air force, everything I read from the US military and the State Department in the Obama years - especially the last term, suggests that would not be easy. Not to mention, it would put us smack in the middle of the civil war.

Even people in the Obama administration who wanted to use a military option or even the credible threat of a military option were not for anything that significant. There is also the problem of "what next" if we helped with regime change. Who are the people who could come together and form a government in Syria. Near the end of the Obama years, there was a Syrian dissent memo at the State Department signed by 51 State Department diplomats. Secretary Kerry did meet with them to explain Obama's decisions and hear them out. This NYT article describes what the memo - note that what they asked for was far short of taking out Assad's air fields. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/world/middleeast/syria-assad-obama-diplomats-memo.html The goal was NOT regime change, but as pressure to help the US negotiate - something the then Secreatry was very strongly committed to doing. (Now, the question is what diplomats do we have involved?)

One issue that Obama had was - what is the US interest there? If other powerful countries are the ones with a vested interest there, why are we being the ones asked UNILATERALLY to get rid of Assad, without a UN resolution. If Assad was charged as a war criminal, which he is, then we might have some ability under international law to respond as you suggest, but even then, it should be an international effort.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
22. Well, anything UN related will be vetoed by Russia.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 02:36 PM
Apr 2018

I imagine at the end of the trump yrs the situation there will probably be the same as it is now; a mess.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
23. True - which is why the 2015 resolution was pretty impressive
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 06:17 PM
Apr 2018

I think this is something the US can not fix on its own - no matter who is President, Secretary etc. That is something incredibly difficult for any American to accept - it is contrary to our own mythology.

We actually had fewer high cards than the other main players -- and this has been true since their civil war started.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
4. I was trying to think of one time Obama trashed GWB and I can't come up with anything.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:29 PM
Apr 2018

Trump is the most vile, disgusting POS to ever hold public office. He has no intelligence, no interest, no class, no compassion . . . nothing. He's a caricature of a human being.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
12. It's really true
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:48 PM
Apr 2018

I still have not found that spark of humanity that all humans should have. Still haven't found one good in him.
And him crowing-- after someone died- about how well-built the building was?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
5. If I recall correctly ...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:38 PM
Apr 2018

When Obama drew a 'red line' about Syria using chemical weapons,
it was the GOP led Congress that blocked him.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
6. Let's not confuse the Dotard with facts.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:40 PM
Apr 2018

Railing against him might or might not have an effect on his demeanor and (alleged) mental health, but surely there is a more definitive and permanent step or two that can be taken?

videohead5

(2,177 posts)
11. Yes because
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:15 PM
Apr 2018

Some Republicans in congress said if he did not come to them first for approval they would start impeachment hearings.there was no support for the bombing.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
7. minngal
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:53 PM
Apr 2018

DJT is one of those people that believe attacking others makes him look better. If he only knew it confirms our belief that he is a stupid, ignorant, arrogant fool. He attacks people that are smarter, more educated and just plain better human beings.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
8. K&R. I am so glad Ted is challenging him. We
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:32 PM
Apr 2018

Need more of this. Cheeto is the absolute nadir of Presidential leadership. He never has a coherent plan, it’s just endlesss bs. He is the POTUS but he is really nothing but a snotty rich baby man.

It is amazingly that the rightist in this country are so full of bravado for their Americanism yet the man they worship won’t assume ownership and accountability for anything. The polar opposite of a responsible adult.

sdfernando

(4,935 posts)
20. I'm guessing neither of his parents were US Citizens then?
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:52 AM
Apr 2018

I ask because I'm a naturalized US Citizen as well, but both my parents were US citizens by birth. I was born in Munich, even though it was an Army hospital, It was not on a military base, it was located in the city of Munich. So I was born on foreign soil, hence the naturalization part.....but apparently the interpretation changed along the way (remember all the talk when John McCain ran?). At any rate, apparently I am eligible to run for President. That would be cool because we would have national health care to include medical, dental, vision,and hearing, and medically SAFE abortion; free education all the way up to at least a Bachelor's degree; major tax credits for solar & wind and an end to oil and coal subsidies; i'd lobby for the ERA; strict national gun control laws; and just to piss of the right....LIBERAL ACTIVIST JUDGES at every level.

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